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Hickenlooper: New Gun Laws Had No Impact on Arapahoe HS Shooting
Colorado Observer ^ | 17 dec 2013 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 12/17/2013 6:50:58 AM PST by rellimpank

CENTENNIAL—Democrats have long insisted the state’s new gun laws were passed to help stop mass shootings, but Gov. John Hickenlooper said Sunday that the measures did nothing to prevent a teen gunman from storming Arapahoe High School.

In an interview on CBS-TV’s “Face the Nation,” the Democratic governor was asked why the laws failed to avert Friday’s shooting at the suburban high school.

“You actually passed some pretty tough gun laws out there in Colorado after those other incidents happened, and yet they continue to happen,” said moderator Bob Schieffer.

Hickenlooper responded that Coloradans “care deeply” about two things: protecting their Second Amendment rights and “making their communities safer.”

“So things like universal background checks, I think they are going to make us safer, but in this specific case aren’t going to make a difference at all,” said Hickenlooper. “And that’s the challenge.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thecoloradoobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: arapahoe; banglist; hickenlooper; rkba; schoolshooting

1 posted on 12/17/2013 6:50:58 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

When did they pass the law allowing the armed school security?


2 posted on 12/17/2013 6:52:34 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: rellimpank
“So things like universal background checks, I think they are going to make us safer, but in this specific case aren’t going to make a difference at all,” said Hickenlooper. “And that’s the challenge.”

Having an armed presence in the school itself made a huge difference. Something the gun-grabbers think is dead wrong. Quite telling.

3 posted on 12/17/2013 6:53:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rellimpank

Well, obviously they need more gun laws..................


4 posted on 12/17/2013 6:55:43 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: rellimpank
The shooter purchased the shotgun legally after passing a background check.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

5 posted on 12/17/2013 6:56:32 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: rellimpank
You can tell that there's an election next year.The Chickenchoker would be calling for more laws if there weren’t.
6 posted on 12/17/2013 6:57:18 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: NFHale; rellimpank

This one nails the gun control narrative, restricting second amendment rights didnt work.

Have they tried posting ‘Gun free zone’ signs near the schools?


7 posted on 12/17/2013 7:00:03 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Red Badger

Obamacare is going to kill/injure more kids than school shootings.


8 posted on 12/17/2013 7:00:35 AM PST by kevslisababy
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To: Farmer Dean

Yeah. I think Hicklooper has morphed into Chickenlooper after the recall vote and secession movements and Sheriff’s telling him to stuff his stupid gun laws.


9 posted on 12/17/2013 7:00:45 AM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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To: dirtboy
Having an armed presence in the school ...... something the gun-grabbers think is dead wrong.

I have a lib acquaintance who thinks an "armed presence" in schools frightens the children (so therefore, he wants all guns taken away from everybody). The 'dead wrong' is unfortunately accurate .... the libs are wrong to not want an armed presence that is a proven deterrent & more kids will be DEAD if they get their way.

10 posted on 12/17/2013 7:00:48 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: kevslisababy

More babies are killed every day in this country than all the mass shootings combined.....................yet there is no outrage................


11 posted on 12/17/2013 7:02:55 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: rellimpank

Just as the Affordable Care Act has nothing to do with health, gun control laws have nothing to do with public safety. The first one will cede control of our finances to the government and the second one will destroy our ability to wrest back the government control from the tyrants. It is a race to see if we will wake up and act before they are strong enough to stop us, if it isn’t too late already.


12 posted on 12/17/2013 7:04:28 AM PST by ArtDodger
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To: ltc8k6
When did they pass the law allowing the armed school security?

There's a few schools in Colorado that have some armed, "Resource Officers."
But it would have helped if the democrats wouldn't have nuked SB 13-009 (Allowing CCW in schools for school staff).
13 posted on 12/17/2013 7:05:24 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: rellimpank
Comment at the site from KiethC says it well:

So, to recap, the gun laws that were forced on Colorado and were so counter to our culture that we’ve had the first recalls in our state’s history had no preventative effect on someone inspired to perpetrate a mass shooting – which was the very type of event that ostensibly inspired said laws. And what *did* bring about a swift end was the presence of an armed person challenging the shooter – which is what’s been said by “gun people” from the get-go.

Not much to add here, except: the story goes out of its way to downplay the actual presence of an armed officer in the school for the specific purpose of stopping an event like this. Remember the outrage that was reported by the media when this was suggested by the NRA? No mention of that either.

14 posted on 12/17/2013 7:06:00 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: ltc8k6

A “law allowing” was never necessary.

It’s called FREEDOM.

What “law” “allowed” the last hundred tasks you did today?


15 posted on 12/17/2013 7:06:23 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: rellimpank

The new gun laws will never have any impact on any future assaults.

Look at the last 20 mass attacks across America.
None of the new laws would have stopped any of them.
18 of those case involved legally obtained weapons.
Only 2 of those cases involved stolen weapons, and theft was illegal before the new laws.


16 posted on 12/17/2013 7:11:36 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: rellimpank

Idiot!


17 posted on 12/17/2013 7:12:31 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Red Badger

The only way people would notice abortion if there was only one center in the US where you could go to have one. Then post the daily count. Abortion is a singular event at clinics. In 2008 (last year I could find) there were 1,212,500 abortions performed. If there was a disaster where that many people were killed ......


18 posted on 12/17/2013 7:14:55 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: rellimpank

The people forcing more gun laws do not care about safety or security. Anything that restricts ownership is the goal.

If they passed a gun law that caused the murder rate to double and the violent assault rate to triple, they would not care since that was not the goal. The goal would be to make some innocent guy submit to a 3 month psychiatric evaluation and colonoscopy and require a 24/7 armed guard for his .22 Buckmaster target gun. That’s progress!


19 posted on 12/17/2013 7:15:19 AM PST by DBrow
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To: rellimpank
Hickenlooper: New Gun Laws Had No Impact on Arapahoe HS Shooting

.... therefore, we need a lot of new laws!

< /insane gun grabber logic>

20 posted on 12/17/2013 7:16:26 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: rellimpank

If the laws didn’t help, THEN REPEAL THEM, Hickenlooper, you pansy! They are infringements on the Constitutional right to keep and BEAR arms.


21 posted on 12/17/2013 7:16:52 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Red Badger

Our rulers ignore our Constitution and disobey God’s commandments, in particular “thou shalt not kill”. We can debate legalizing murder (abortion) but there is no debate that it (abortion) is murder.


22 posted on 12/17/2013 7:18:24 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: Lazamataz
.... therefore, we need a lot of new laws!

Heh! We need more recalls, IMHO.
23 posted on 12/17/2013 7:18:27 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: RandallFlagg
This shooting was, in fact, made much less tragic by the presence of an armed deputy. The NRA made a big mailout about that.

Yes, this is probably news to you, because the American Pravda Press WILL NOT REPORT THAT.

24 posted on 12/17/2013 7:18:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: G Larry

Your sarcasm detector needs maintenance.


25 posted on 12/17/2013 7:19:52 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: rellimpank
Schieffer knows the truth but he has a narrative to follow.
26 posted on 12/17/2013 7:22:50 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, I knew that. Remember, I live just 20 miles from that school.
I also used to do volunteer security runs (While armed) around eight neighborhood schools on my days off after Newtown -until last May when school ended.
That guard got in and the killer ended himself 80 seconds after he started.


27 posted on 12/17/2013 7:24:36 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: dirtboy
Methinks the gun grabbers do not want the armed security precisely because they do want the massacres. Just remember Fast and Furious.
28 posted on 12/17/2013 7:27:10 AM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: rellimpank

There was, of course, an armed officer stationed at Columbine as well during that incident.


29 posted on 12/17/2013 7:27:21 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: rellimpank

Chickenpooper promised that his laws would bring about an active-shooter-free panacea. They didn’t.

Now, who’s gonna hold him responsible? The parents? The voters?

Was it just words? Something a politician says? Does it matter when a politician makes empty promises and people die or are seriously wounded, despite the promises?

What was this law for, Chickenpooper? How was this high school student able to defeat the intent and will of the mighty Colorado State Government? The people like Hudak and Morse and Giron, who are (were) so smart that they DIDN’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PEONS WHO ELECTED THEM? Smarter than the people who were DENIED THE CHANCE TO SPEAK as this law was being deliberated, because they apparently just didn’t know enough to contribute in any meaningful way? For heaven’s sakes, aren’t they smarter than a mere high school student who ultimately made it into a gun free zone with a gun? How could this happen? DIDN’T THEY DO THEIR HOMEWORK?

Personally, if I were the parents of the girl who got shot, or just a concerned parent with kids in that school, I’d be in Chickenpooper’s face, following him to events, asking him why he wasted the time and taxpayer money on something that did NOTHING, while forgetting the proposals like arming teachers and eliminating gun-free-zones that could have made a difference.

If that librarian, or ANY teacher, had the capacity to return fire, then that girl might not have become a victim. As it is, she will be living with the consequences Chickenpooper’s harmful and liberty infringing laws for the rest of her life.

Own it, Chickenpooper. That girl’s blood is on your hands.


30 posted on 12/17/2013 7:27:35 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
Own it, Chickenpooper. That girl’s blood is on your hands.

Well said.
We need to start a, "RECALL THEM ALL," campaign.
31 posted on 12/17/2013 7:34:44 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: rellimpank

Yeah. Duh.....


32 posted on 12/17/2013 7:52:08 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: libstripper
Methinks the gun grabbers do not want the armed security precisely because they do want the massacres. Just remember Fast and Furious.

Amen, libstripper. Oh, by the way, what are the Whigs doing about the Fast & Furious conspiracy today? Oh, by the way, what are the Whigs doing in Colorado these days?

33 posted on 12/17/2013 8:01:00 AM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: ltc8k6

I heard the other night that about 72 of hundreds of thousands of background checks have been prosecuted.

That said, and assuming the accuracy of the statement, do “background checks” make us even 1% safer?

If the lefties would spend those funds prosecuting ALREADY ARRESTED VIOLATORS of gun laws instead of turning them loose on the street we WOULD BE a lot safer!

5 will get you ten that the black punks that shot the lawyer in the jersey parking lot were out on bail or on probation and had weapons violations in their past.

I say that if you have a “weapons violations” in your past, and are convicted of another weapons violation that you should be treated like a “child molester” and be imprisoned for like 30 years JUST FOR USING A GUN IN COMMISSION OF A CRIME. The crime itself then would be extra.

But, alas, this means a lot of work for lazy ass prosecutors and simply won’t happen!


34 posted on 12/17/2013 8:04:28 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: rellimpank
“So things like universal background checks, I think they are going to make us safer, but in this specific case aren’t going to make a difference at all,” said Hickenlooper. “And that’s the challenge.”

Specifically, "the challenge" to which he refers is the need for more oppressive gun laws. I wonder what he has in mind this time, and how many Rats he wants to take down with him?

35 posted on 12/17/2013 8:09:47 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: rellimpank
Gov. John Hickenlooper said Sunday that the measures did nothing to prevent a teen gunman from storming Arapahoe High School.

Uh-oh.. Gov. Chickenpooper hasn't yet learned that a rare moment of candor can earn you a hostile call from the White Hut.

36 posted on 12/17/2013 8:13:51 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: rellimpank

“You actually passed some pretty tough gun laws out there in Colorado after those other incidents happened, and yet they continue to happen,” said moderator Bob Schieffer.

Hickenlooper should have responded .... Well Bob we knew that a few more gun laws on top of the hundreds of Federal and State laws already on the books were not going to change things. Sick evil people we continue to kill other people. We just di what we needed to do to fool the gullible voters.


37 posted on 12/17/2013 8:16:16 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign is for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Cen-Tejas

“and be imprisoned for like 30 years JUST FOR USING A GUN IN COMMISSION OF A CRIME. “

I think this is the case Federally, there is a charge for that. Not sure but many states, I think, have laws about possession of a firearm during commission of a crime.

Since these are rarely used I have to conclude that the Powers That Be need a certain amount of street crime.


38 posted on 12/17/2013 8:16:26 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Yo-Yo

The one thing we should all understand about laws is that laws do not prevent crime. They only assign punishment. The threat of punishment has little effect on these people who are mentally ill.


39 posted on 12/17/2013 8:47:06 AM PST by jazv
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To: rellimpank

Hey Loopy! It look like your homicide laws aren’t working very well either. Colorado needs to pass some tougher homicide laws. Maybe make them tougher than Chicago, New Yawk and California’s homicide laws which are some of the “toughest” in the country. LOL! Fools! IT’S THE PEOPLE, STUPID!


40 posted on 12/17/2013 8:57:24 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all my fellow Americans. "Whatever" to everybody else!)
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To: rellimpank

Looper has been campaigning nonstop for months. He knows his election chances are a lot thinner.


41 posted on 12/17/2013 9:36:00 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: rellimpank

Well, if Colorado had had background checks on Molotov cocktails and machetes, that would have stopped it. Right?


42 posted on 12/17/2013 9:50:43 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Red Badger

Mothers are allowed to kill their babies before they’re born. Once they get a SSI number and become a government asset then the rules change.


43 posted on 12/17/2013 9:52:02 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: libstripper

Without the massacres what is going to be emotional enough to bring people to vote away their own freedoms?


44 posted on 12/17/2013 9:55:54 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: rellimpank

Democrat being honest? Ping.


45 posted on 12/17/2013 9:59:28 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: sickoflibs; rellimpank

“...Have they tried posting ‘Gun free zone’ signs near the schools?...”

Gotta make those signs REALLY REALLY bigger... and BOLDFACE... and maybe Italics would work.

Yeah... Italics! THAT’LL stop ‘em...

Hey! Wait a minute! Let’s just pass a law banning SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!!!

There. Solved it.


46 posted on 12/17/2013 10:10:15 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

Well, criminals don’t buy legally, so background checks don’t affect them at all.

We all know this, of course.

I would guess that the number of criminals who intended to use a gun in a crime, and tried to buy it legally, and got rejected, is vanishingly small.

I would guess that most background check rejections are ordinary folks who just wanted a gun for hobby or self defense, but have something in their background that gets them rejected. Most likely they had no idea that their background would cause a rejection, or they wouldn’t have tried in the first place.

I would guess that a jury of the peers of most of the rejections, would vote not to reject them for whatever ATF rejected them for...

But background checks are what we have, and that’s that for now.


47 posted on 12/17/2013 1:43:43 PM PST by ltc8k6
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