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Beatles 1963 rarities released
BBC News ^ | 17th December 2013 | BBC News

Posted on 12/17/2013 9:28:48 AM PST by the scotsman

Unreleased outtakes, demos and BBC sessions by The Beatles from 1963 have been released on iTunes.

The 59 tracks have been released on iTunes to stop them falling out of copyright and into the public domain.

EU copyright law covers recordings for 70 years if they have had an official release or 50 years if they have not.

The 2-disc set was apparently released, then removed, early on Tuesday, causing speculation it was only being published briefly to extend the copyright period.

Fans posted screenshots of the collection on the New Zealand iTunes store, along with links which later became invalid.

Online reports suggested the same thing had happened in Australia, Russia and Saudi Arabia - although the EU's copyright laws would not apply in any of these territories.

However, the full album appeared on the UK iTunes store shortly after 14:00 GMT. The BBC has been told the songs will remain on the site "indefinitely".

Gathering together live material and recording session offcuts, the compilation includes four alternate takes of She Loves You, two of From Me To You and several live versions of Roll Over Beethoven.

It also features three attempts at There's A Place, as well as demos of two songs the group gave to other artists - Paul McCartney and John Lennon's acoustic version of Bad to Me and Lennon's piano demo of I'm in Love.'

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: beatles; beatlescopywrite; eucopywrite; music
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1 posted on 12/17/2013 9:28:48 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Just Let it be.......................


2 posted on 12/17/2013 9:30:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: the scotsman; Revolting cat!

Copyright extension. Because the Beatles haven’t made enough money yet. England had NO problem with Sinata, Elvis, and others’ works becoming public domain.


3 posted on 12/17/2013 9:31:44 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Until 2033...................


4 posted on 12/17/2013 9:33:21 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: the scotsman
Wasnt there a album called Beatles rarities released decades ago?

I still remember when the Beatles owned the songs and would not allow them to be used for commercials, certainly before Lennon was shot and probably through 1980s.

5 posted on 12/17/2013 9:33:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: the scotsman
I've never been a big Beatles fan, but there is a reason they were left on the floor as “out takes”.

I will say this, the Beatles has proven to be a capitalistic Juggernaut. Never before has any other musical group milked album sales as adroitly as the Beatles have. Re-releases, copies from Masters, hi-fidelity recordings, albums, tapes, discs, downloads, re-releases, etc.

I wonder what the sum total of all the albums sold has been for the Beatles empire over the years. It is like a money printing press and I am always amazed at what re-release they come up with next.

6 posted on 12/17/2013 9:37:08 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: the scotsman

Anyone who does not own McCartney’s new album “New” needs to get it immediately. No kidding. If you love Beatles music, this release will transport you back 50 years. It’s brilliant, wonderful and rockin’!!


7 posted on 12/17/2013 9:37:53 AM PST by alstewartfan (Lines of coffee cups on parade, Soldiers for keeping the night away, Al Stewart)
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To: the scotsman; Revolting cat!
The 2-disc set was apparently released, then removed, early on Tuesday, causing speculation it was only being published briefly to extend the copyright period.

Of course this is the reason. Brian Wilson's people drew attention to the Beatles' cuts last week when they promoted his own copyright extension cuts.

Too bad these will all be as unhip as Rudy Vallee, Al Jolson, and Rosemary Clooney when today's grade schoolers hit adulthood.

Should've done more with this "gold" in the 50 years leading up to now.

Who KNOWS when Polygram will finally release the 1950s concert footage of Elvis and Bill Haley together.

8 posted on 12/17/2013 10:07:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: the scotsman

Heavy? Unknown. Will listen and read.


9 posted on 12/17/2013 10:08:24 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t know, one of the Sgt. Pepper’s/Magical Mystery Tour songs was used in the final episode of The Prisoner in the 1960s.


10 posted on 12/17/2013 10:08:56 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
Brian Wilson

Did he not die?

11 posted on 12/17/2013 10:09:54 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: a fool in paradise
Copyright extension. Because the Beatles haven’t made enough money yet

Who decides how much money they should be allowed to make? What does that have to do with anything? They created it and it is theirs. I have no problem with artists copywriting their work.

12 posted on 12/17/2013 10:14:07 AM PST by plain talk
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To: the scotsman

If those tracks have not been released in the past fifty years there must be a reason...applying Occam’s Razor...probably they’re just crap (of interest only to dedicated collectors).


13 posted on 12/17/2013 10:15:03 AM PST by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: sickoflibs

Michael Jackson used them in songs, when he owned them. It is one of the things that gives me joy, as it upset Paul McCartney.


14 posted on 12/17/2013 10:22:44 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Brian Wilson

Did he not die?

It was Harold Camping who did.

15 posted on 12/17/2013 10:23:13 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Wishful thinking all. By people who insist that “Beatles will ALWAYS be remembered”. Like the fans of Little Peggy March once did. How many of Irving Berlin’s smash hits are remembered today?


16 posted on 12/17/2013 10:26:06 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Great and wonderfully weird (typical) episode. My favorite one is a tie between “Many Happy Returns” and “The Girl Who Was Death”.


17 posted on 12/17/2013 10:28:58 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Revolting cat!

yes, several dead ... but here is Brian ... http://www.biography.com/people/brian-wilson-586000?page=1 ... guess is still undead. Will do more to research.


18 posted on 12/17/2013 10:29:24 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Revolting cat!
Al Goldstein is not quite dead yet.

(file photo)

19 posted on 12/17/2013 10:30:50 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Revolting cat!

yes, ice cream is still delicious. Just a negotiation ... Got ice cream?


20 posted on 12/17/2013 10:31:08 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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One sweet dream ... came true ... http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/b/the_beach_boys/index.html


21 posted on 12/17/2013 10:32:55 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: plain talk

The Brits had no problem with prohibiting Elvis, Sinatra, and others (estates or individuals) from extending THEIR own copyrights.

The Beatles should’ve been hung by the same rope. Or else the extensions should’ve been permitted for the pre-British Invasion pop stars.

It’s the double standard I don’t like.

And the Beatles and Cliff Richard were behind it.

Oh poor them.


22 posted on 12/17/2013 10:33:54 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise; the scotsman
RE :”I don’t know, one of the Sgt. Pepper’s/Magical Mystery Tour songs was used in the final episode of The Prisoner in the 1960s.”

In the early 1980s I was buying up every Beatles album I could find and I remember this Rarities album

Rarities (The Beatles compilations US version 1980)

It has a German version of I want to Hold your hand.

And a version of Help that had John as lead singer instead of Paul.

23 posted on 12/17/2013 10:34:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: no-to-illegals
Did he [Brian Wilson] not die?

No. Dennis Wilson drowned and Carl Wilson died from cancer, but Brian is still alive. And still facing psychological problems.

24 posted on 12/17/2013 10:35:23 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Scoutmaster

you mean he didn’t give them up?


25 posted on 12/17/2013 10:36:33 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: sickoflibs

There were two diffent versions of the THE Rarities album.

And then they were set to go to press with Sessions at some point in the 80s and then didn’t. And then it was bootlegged (including the album cover art).

Eventually they put out the Anthology series. And said THAT’S IT, THERE ARE NO MORE BEATLES SONGS.

Except there are. And they will be trickling out of the vault for the next 10 years as each year’s recordings come up for public domain consideration.


26 posted on 12/17/2013 10:38:35 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Scoutmaster

here you go ... confirmed ... http://en.mediamass.net/people/brian-wilson/deathhoax.html


27 posted on 12/17/2013 10:38:53 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: a fool in paradise; the scotsman

Recall the banned album cover with the dead baby dolls, to protest the record companies hacking up their British albums to make US versions with less songs on each, to create more to sell.

The individual Beatles songs after break up tended to be crappy with a few exceptions.

John’ Lennon’s single work was dramatically worse than his work as a Beatle.

I like that song were he rips Paul. Talk about childish, but entertaining too.


28 posted on 12/17/2013 10:39:25 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: a fool in paradise

yep ... she has always been a dancer. Found a steady job instead.


29 posted on 12/17/2013 10:40:05 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: a fool in paradise; the scotsman
Here it is, rips Paul

How Do You Sleep? (John Lennon song 1971)

30 posted on 12/17/2013 10:42:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

Sleeps forever or till the bell tolls? Who am I to find the bell tolling?


31 posted on 12/17/2013 10:44:29 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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and in the end ... the love you take is equal to the love you make .... got little blue pills?


32 posted on 12/17/2013 10:45:46 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Moltke

“If those tracks have not been released in the past fifty years there must be a reason...applying Occam’s Razor...probably they’re just crap (of interest only to dedicated collectors).”

Sometime in the 70’s there was a bootleg album of the Get Back studio sessions that was just a bunch of noodling on instruments and talking.


33 posted on 12/17/2013 10:51:12 AM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: the scotsman

Last time I heard a”previously un-released” Beatle song it sucked Bad!


34 posted on 12/17/2013 11:02:45 AM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: alstewartfan

Thanks for the recommendation! I was just looking at it this morning in Walmart wondering if it was worth picking up. Now I will. :)


35 posted on 12/17/2013 11:05:11 AM PST by upsdriver
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To: Fiji Hill

PING!

Calling for the release of the unreleased Beatles single (the A side.)


36 posted on 12/17/2013 11:07:13 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: a fool in paradise
I like Beatles takeoff here:

When We Was Fab( Harrison's 1987 )

This sounds very much like Beatles, better than 1978 Rutles

Look What You've Done(Jet 2003)

37 posted on 12/17/2013 11:15:01 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: a fool in paradise

It was a 2011 European not solely British ruling that raised it from 50 to 70 yrs, composers already have copyright over their music until 70 years after their deaths, so The Beatles, who wrote their own songs, were already safe from copyright expiry. It was artists who made their names with songs written by others, such as Sir Cliff Richard, Shirley Bassey and Tom Jones, and Elvis and Sinatra who were threatened with a steady decline in their earnings. The law affects recordings made on or after Jan 1st 1963.

So actually major British pop stars of the 50’s like Cliff Richard have already and will continue to lose out on massive hits from the mid 50’s to 1963.

Frankly I detect you are trying to make this a British vs American issue, when it isn’t.


38 posted on 12/17/2013 11:21:23 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: sickoflibs
This tune by a Detroit-area group, released on the V.I.P. label, a Motown subsidiary, is very similar to one by the group which is the subject of this thread.

Give Me a Kiss--The Hornets (1964)

"They do it in Egypt;
Heard some stories about the Swiss.
Don't want to see me gypped..."

39 posted on 12/17/2013 11:57:45 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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To: the scotsman
There is a reason many of us now consider 'copyright' to be not much more than a suggestion these days. Anything over 30 years old is PD imo, and is treated as such. I have a lot of music that is more than 30 years old.
40 posted on 12/17/2013 12:03:23 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Moltke
...applying Occam’s Razor...probably they’re just crap

That's exactly why these tracks have never been released. Musicians typically record tons of material, then release only their very best performances.

I'm sure if the surviving Beatles had their way, these tracks would never see the light of day.

41 posted on 12/17/2013 12:03:49 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: zeugma

Anything over 30 years old is PD imo, and is treated as such.


Tell that to The Mouse.


42 posted on 12/17/2013 12:06:26 PM PST by freedomlover
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To: Revolting cat!
How many of Irving Berlin’s smash hits are remembered today?

HA! I have about 30 of them in my playlist. Granted, out of 19,000 songs, that's a small percentage, but the total is probably actually higher, as that only lists those with "Berlin" somewhere in the ID3 tag.

43 posted on 12/17/2013 12:06:34 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t think the surviving Beatles get diddly for this. I think it’s Sony these days. I could be all wet, these may not be in “the book.”


44 posted on 12/17/2013 12:10:19 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Revolting cat!

May not work out as you think. There are inherent differences in the music of the Rock Era and that of the pre Rock Era.

We are ALREADY well into the envelope you describe in that anyone listening to The Beatles or Led Zeppelin are listening to music as old as Rudee Vallie’s stuff was in 1972. Huge numbers of young people know and love the old catalog.

Years ago I expected what you describe to happen as that is what history says will happen. The idea popped into my head in 1979 as I sat in traffic listening to “Whole Lotta’ Love’ as I tried to conceive of it being regarded as some kind of old Hal Roach dirge.

The big difference with RnR was that it was the music, the sound of Youth (rather than of people who happened to be young when they made it). As the music critic at the NYTimes put it back then “ it is ACTION oriented rather than romantic.” (Or something like that) Action still appeals to the young.


45 posted on 12/17/2013 12:47:17 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

I see your point. It is very good and valid. Nevertheless, popular music is generational and passes along with the generations. So what that somebody’s grandchildren are listening to the Beatles (as reported on this forum recently and repeatedly in response to posts like mine.) Dollars to donuts that their grandchildren won’t. My own daughter, whom I raised on Vince Gill and Patty Loveless, later a Green Day fan, once fell for the long dead Gram Parsons. Who? I never really appreciated him myself, before or after.

In addition, something that I only recently discovered (dumb! dumb!), people judge much of popular music, especially live performances, by their experiences while listening to it. You can see it by reading comments on Youtube under godawful live performances by the Rolling Stones (or anyone, I suppose). I was there (meaning, I paid the exorbitant price for the ticket), I had fun with my girlfriend there, therefore it was good.

On Fakebook, while I post links to videos and free downloads by Filligar and Nicki Bluhm and the Gramblers, among others, my “friends”, who grew up with the Swinging Blue Jeans, not only fail to click Like, but respond by posting links to Gerry and the Pacemakers. Stuck in their youth. And I bet they say that Elvis will be forever, and Beatles too.


46 posted on 12/17/2013 1:03:29 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

These are bits of BeeB chatter from radio broadcasts. Early days.


47 posted on 12/17/2013 1:09:00 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Revolting cat!
As far as the 50’s, Elvis is wobbling pretty badly with the kids. Dion (Dion and the Belmonts) still has a bit of grab. (sneer and swagger) A lot of the grab of the 60’s and on I think is that it appeals to the natural self pity and narcissism inherent in youth. (Jim Morrison always sounded like a precocious 14 yr old to me) I do find it hard to believe that it doesn't sound absolutely ancient to them.
48 posted on 12/17/2013 1:37:43 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: the scotsman

ANY works that have not already secured copyright 50 years after creation automatically BECOME public domain under the new Euro tradition.

This is why Bob Dylan, the Beatles, The Beach Boys, and others are having to open the vault if only for time-limited digital releases (and digital downloads have NO resale rights/potential).


49 posted on 12/17/2013 1:50:16 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Windflier
That's exactly why these tracks have never been released. Musicians typically record tons of material, then release only their very best performances.

A concept that must be lost on the joint media/marketing machine...naw, not really. Woohoo, let's make a(nother) buck! The suckers (suitably mind-massaged) are out there...

50 posted on 12/17/2013 2:03:23 PM PST by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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