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Canada to phase out home mail delivery to cut big losses
Rooters ^ | 12-11-13 | David Ljunggren

Posted on 12/17/2013 12:41:41 PM PST by TurboZamboni

Dec 11 (Reuters) - Canada's postal service will phase out urban home delivery within five years and hike the cost of postage stamps to try to stem soaring losses, the post office said on Wednesday. Canada Post, like the U.S. Postal Service, is suffering as customers switch to digital communications. In August it said it was on track to run short of cash by the middle of 2014 unless major changes were made. The government-owned corporation - which has a mandate to be self-financing - last month reported a third-quarter loss of C$109 million ($103 million) before tax and said mail volumes had fallen 7.3 percent from the same period in 2012. It must also deal with a C$6.5 billion deficit in its pension plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bankrupt; broke; canada; debt; doom; greatwhitenorth; mail; pensions; savings; spending; unions
Finally, We Can Learn Something From Canada An end to door-to-door delivery could save Canada Post, but don’t expect the U.S.P.S. to follow suit

http://nation.time.com/2013/12/14/finally-we-can-learn-something-from-canada/

1 posted on 12/17/2013 12:41:41 PM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Je suis confused. If you’re phasing out home delivery, why do you need postage stamps?


2 posted on 12/17/2013 12:44:30 PM PST by ken5050 (I still miss Howlin)
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To: TurboZamboni
Not satire?

With the end of HD, the org. should totally fold.

3 posted on 12/17/2013 12:45:50 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: TurboZamboni

but don’t expect the U.S.P.S. to follow suit...”

Unfortunately what you say is, IMO, true. Picked up my mail that had accumulated during the past week. Huge pile and only one piece did not go in the trash.

OTOH, it is extremely worrisome how much we relay on the internet for most activities and information. If there is no mail delivery and someone decides to take the internet down, there is absolutely no way to receive business documents or payments. Pretty scary thought.


4 posted on 12/17/2013 12:46:32 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: TurboZamboni

They should consider hiring illegals to do the delivery.


5 posted on 12/17/2013 12:46:50 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Grams A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Postman_%28film%29


6 posted on 12/17/2013 12:48:37 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: TurboZamboni

The USPS ought to be put up for sale and have companies like Amazon buy it up.


7 posted on 12/17/2013 12:50:02 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

??? Amazon doesn’t deliver anything...


8 posted on 12/17/2013 12:51:55 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: TurboZamboni

Pay more, get less. That should be the government motto everywhere.


9 posted on 12/17/2013 12:52:35 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Paladin2

“They should consider hiring illegals to do the delivery.”

The problem is the benefits that the PO has. They’re outsized when compared to private enterprise. They’re already phasing out many carriers and using contractors who have no bennies. But Congress has used the PO as a jobs/welfare program for decades. That’s why they won’t get rid of it. I looked up the number of employees and retires once and it was more than a million...votes.


10 posted on 12/17/2013 12:54:32 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Wyatt's Torch
??? Amazon doesn’t deliver anything...

Yet

11 posted on 12/17/2013 12:55:47 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Gen.Blather
"The problem is the benefits that the PO has. They’re outsized when compared to private enterprise."

That's my point.

12 posted on 12/17/2013 12:56:24 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Moonman62
every obammycare enrollee has cost taxpayers $14k each.
13 posted on 12/17/2013 12:56:57 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Amazon starts Sunday delivery with US Postal Service

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/11/11/amazon-sunday-delivery-usps/3479055/


14 posted on 12/17/2013 12:58:45 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Paladin2
"They should consider hiring illegals to do the delivery."

If so , I will change my mailing address to somewhere in southern Mexico, and subscribe to LOTS of cheap magazines.

15 posted on 12/17/2013 1:00:29 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: TurboZamboni

So when I sell one of my hats to a Canadian customer where will it be shipped to?
I use the PO to ship things almost everyday.


16 posted on 12/17/2013 1:00:43 PM PST by funfan
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To: Gen.Blather
Congress has used the PO as a jobs/welfare program for decades. That’s why they won’t get rid of it. I looked up the number of employees and retires once and it was more than a million...votes.

Yup. Ditto TSA.

17 posted on 12/17/2013 1:03:13 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: TurboZamboni

I’ve made a concerted effort to get off of catalog mailing lists and minimize the amount of paper I receive — even grocery store ads (yes, it’s been a fight, but it seems to be working). I get very little paper mail now and it would be just fine with me if there were a once-a-week mail delivery.


18 posted on 12/17/2013 1:04:36 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (It is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind.)
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To: James C. Bennett

But Amazon doesn’t deliver it... The USPS does. As does FDX and UPS (they do the bulk of AMZN’s deliveries). Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?


19 posted on 12/17/2013 1:08:33 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: NewHampshireDuo

They never will on a large scale. AMZn isn’t in the business of operating truck fleets and airplanes and sorting hubs.


20 posted on 12/17/2013 1:09:38 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I meant Amazon should make USPS a wholly-owned subsidiary.


21 posted on 12/17/2013 1:10:18 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: ken5050

They are probably going to leave all the mail on will-call at the local hockey rink (since they can be pretty certain that the average Canadian will make his way down there at least once per week)


22 posted on 12/17/2013 1:17:31 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I think the idea is that there will be cluster mailboxes in more and more neighborhoods. I live in a development that just opened two years ago and that’s what we have — 60 or so boxes on every other corner. Speeds up delivery considerably.


23 posted on 12/17/2013 1:23:17 PM PST by mdwakeup
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To: TurboZamboni
They could save even more money if they got rid of post offices altogether. Then pass a law that all e-mail must be sent through postal service servers and make sure postal workers are required to manually route each one based on server ID. This will accomplish many things: the postal service will become flush with cash from requiring virtual stamps on e-mail, the postal workers will get to keep their cushy jobs and not even worry about rain anymore and now that their service is really critical again they go ahead and strike for bigger pensions and benefits, and we'll all benefit from only getting e-mail once a day and not at all on Sunday.

See, I'm a thinker. Problems solved.

24 posted on 12/17/2013 1:31:05 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: ken5050

Je suis confused. If you’re phasing out home delivery, why do you need postage stamps?

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Without postage, how does your mail get from Calgary to Toronto. Home delivery is the end game, not the whole game.


25 posted on 12/17/2013 1:39:38 PM PST by dmz
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To: ken5050
If you’re phasing out home delivery, why do you need postage stamps?

No one said they would stop selling stamps, have to make up for the losses somehow!

26 posted on 12/17/2013 1:41:03 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: pepsi_junkie

What you are saying as sarcasm today will be reality in a few years. The GOP may even want to prove it is still relevant and take the lead in this continued effort to screw the citizens.


27 posted on 12/17/2013 1:43:49 PM PST by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: Grams A

I pay bills on line but will not switch to electronic billing. Our system has been down so many times over the years it is just not reliable enough. Viruses, failed hardware, failed electric and low capacity of the system. We upgraded to fiber optic and Netflix over loaded it. We don’t have Netflix but the grandkids down the block do. If there is a holday or snow day we loose internet capacity.


28 posted on 12/17/2013 1:47:45 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: TurboZamboni

“The Canadian Union of Postal Workers said it would react to the corporation’s plan later in the day.”

Hey, I think I just spotted the problem.


29 posted on 12/17/2013 2:00:25 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’ll hand out the mail at mail call.


30 posted on 12/17/2013 2:03:16 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: ken5050

Je suis confused. If you’re phasing out home delivery, why do you need postage stamps?

C’est simple! Probably you can pick up the mail at local post offices or depots.


31 posted on 12/17/2013 3:44:12 PM PST by expat1000
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To: Paladin2
They should consider hiring illegals to do the delivery.

To borrow a quip from Gallegher: "Have the Jehovah's Witnesses deliver the mail. You know their going to ring every chime".

32 posted on 12/17/2013 4:06:32 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: funfan

Many neighbourhoods including subdivisions built after the mid-1980s have “community mailboxes” within a few blocks of the residents. Kinda like shipping to a PO box. For parcels, most have to be picked up at the nearest post office anyway because anything that won’t fit into a home mailbox will not be left unattended; if you’re not home they leave a notice with instructions on how to claim it.


33 posted on 12/17/2013 4:41:24 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: TurboZamboni
don’t expect the U.S.P.S. to follow suit

The USPS doesn't cost any of us a single penny in taxes. It has to pay for its operations from the sale of stamps and packages, Why all the vitriol?

34 posted on 12/17/2013 4:41:39 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Cold Heart
I prefer a paper trail.

A millennium or two of history proves paper to be the best archival depository of info to date.

35 posted on 12/17/2013 4:43:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Myrddin
"Jehovah's Witnesses"

Probably more reliable and trustworthy than the USPS, on averqage.

36 posted on 12/17/2013 4:44:34 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mdwakeup

That’s exactly what they’re planning; they started doing in in new subdivisions back in the 1980s. For parcels it’s an improvement, because each cluster has a few large lockers- the place the parcel in the locker and put the key in the recipient’s mailbox. Saves a trip to the post office.


37 posted on 12/17/2013 4:44:45 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: TurboZamboni; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

38 posted on 12/17/2013 4:49:58 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Squawk 8888

Hopefully the residents live in nice hoods where the so called community boxes are never know who is going to smash you in the face and still your items, The whole world is going to pot if you ask me.


39 posted on 12/17/2013 4:56:42 PM PST by funfan
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To: funfan

One of the blessings of living here is that even in the worst “hoods”, there is very little vandalism of public facilities. Mailboxes, bus shelters, payphones and even coin-operated newspaper boxes are usually in good order.


40 posted on 12/17/2013 5:04:29 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Squawk 8888

Glad to hear that. I am afraid to go out anywhere alone anymore.


41 posted on 12/17/2013 5:21:38 PM PST by funfan
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To: funfan

What they call super mailboxes which cover a group of home addresses. That has been the default end point for mail for any new housing in Canada for quite a while now. Door to door delivery has been grandfathered since the first super mailboxes began to appear. Apartments and condos have a group mailbox same thing for everyone now. The grandfathering is ending basically. Packages too big for the mailbox still get delivered to the door but of course there is much more revenue there than a simple letter. The elderly and disabled are the ones raising a fuss over this now but again only in grandfathered urban centers where door to door still exists. They figure the phase out will take about 5 years or so.


42 posted on 12/17/2013 5:34:41 PM PST by xp38
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To: expat1000; ken5050

You’re right — also community mailboxes in every neighborhood. Only older, urban neighborhoods have had home delivery for the past three decades. Only about 1/3 of households receive home delivery now. This is just the next logical step. BTW, the community mailboxes work well. They aren’t a big inconvenience, and they’re much more secure than a mailbox tacked to the side of your house, or on a post at the end of your driveway.


43 posted on 12/17/2013 5:55:11 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Squawk 8888
I made visit to the UK where my cell phone was non-functional. I headed for one of the red phone booths to make a call. Yuck. It doubles as a urinal in that neighborhood.
44 posted on 12/17/2013 11:40:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: TurboZamboni

Easier done by simply allowing competition to deliver the mail. I bet you could do it profitably.


45 posted on 01/10/2014 4:50:43 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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