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Should False Rape Accusers Be Sued?
CNN ^ | December 17, 2013 | Roxanne Jones

Posted on 12/17/2013 5:04:38 PM PST by OddLane

Eighty years -- that's about how long it took the state of Alabama to posthumously pardon the last three of nine men who were falsely accused and wrongly convicted of raping two white women on a train. They infamously were called the Scottsboro Boys, because the nine black men were just 12- to 19-years-old when they were arrested in 1931.

It turned out that the women, Ruby Bates and Victoria Price, had lied to police about the rapes. At one of the trials, Bates recanted her testimony, saying she had made it all up. Still, the all-white jury convicted the boys, one after another.

Forty-three years later, a similar story: This time it was Delbert Tibbs, who died recently of cancer. Tibbs spent nearly three years in prison in Florida after he was convicted in 1974 of a rape and murder that he had nothing to do with, according to the Florida Supreme Court.

Ancient history, you say? We've moved past those shameful days of unequal justice, you insist. Think again.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: crime; criminaljustice; rape
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1 posted on 12/17/2013 5:04:38 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Yes.


2 posted on 12/17/2013 5:06:12 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: OddLane

Can George Zimmerman sue the media?


3 posted on 12/17/2013 5:06:30 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: OddLane

They should be dropped into a pot of pugi sticks and 2 gallons of scars dropped on them.


4 posted on 12/17/2013 5:07:24 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: OddLane

They should be sued for all they have and then and imprisoned.


5 posted on 12/17/2013 5:07:51 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: OddLane

Brawley, Duke LAX, so many others...

Of course the liars should be sued. They should have their wages garnished for the rest of their lives. If they marry, the husband’s wages should be garnished.

The low bar should be $10 million per accused person.


6 posted on 12/17/2013 5:08:08 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: OddLane

I think that they should be prosecuted.


7 posted on 12/17/2013 5:08:40 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: OddLane

A thousand times yes!


8 posted on 12/17/2013 5:09:44 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: OddLane

Perjury should be punished with imprisonment, not a civil suit. All perjury. Perjury in rape cases. Perjury before a senate committee.


9 posted on 12/17/2013 5:09:56 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: OddLane

Sued ? .... Yes

After they serve their prison sentence for their crime....


10 posted on 12/17/2013 5:10:09 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: OddLane

Yes. Absolutely.
Jail and monetary fines to the falsely accused.


11 posted on 12/17/2013 5:14:33 PM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: OddLane

Who could say no?


12 posted on 12/17/2013 5:14:56 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: OddLane

No, they should be jailed. The same sentence that the person they falsely accused got, or would have gotten if convicted.


13 posted on 12/17/2013 5:16:03 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: OddLane

False rape should receive a punishment similar to rape.


14 posted on 12/17/2013 5:17:53 PM PST by fso301
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To: Boogieman

The Boogieman has got it right.


15 posted on 12/17/2013 5:18:35 PM PST by rsobin
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To: Vendome

That’s: “two gallons of Scarabs dropped on them”

Fixed


16 posted on 12/17/2013 5:21:02 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: OddLane

They should be jailed.


17 posted on 12/17/2013 5:21:10 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: OddLane

Notable absence in the article, of falsely accused Whites.


18 posted on 12/17/2013 5:23:54 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: OddLane

Sued? no, incarcerated? yes. For a term equal to what the accused would face.


19 posted on 12/17/2013 5:25:34 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: OddLane

After the false accuser has been criminally charged with filing a false report/complaint, they should be subject to all manner of civil liability.


20 posted on 12/17/2013 5:25:39 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: OddLane

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, false accusers should be punished. On the other hand, the knowledge that they will be punished could keep some false accusers from recanting. I don’t like sex crimes. Never did. For those who actually commit them no punishment is enough. But there also a lot of people whose lives have been ruined who did nothing wrong.

And often there is no good way to tell which is which.


21 posted on 12/17/2013 5:26:33 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: OddLane

Sued back to pre-puberty.


22 posted on 12/17/2013 5:27:41 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: OddLane

Yes.


23 posted on 12/17/2013 5:32:30 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: OddLane
only for starters, then they should have to do the equivalent amount of time as the accused faced...
24 posted on 12/17/2013 5:34:15 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: rsobin; Boogieman

The problem with imprisoning accusers who recant is that it discourages recantation. It’s a horrible choice, but we need to temper justice with common sense. On the flip side, accusations of rape need some sort of corroboration or at least a whiff of plausibility.


25 posted on 12/17/2013 5:36:25 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: OddLane

They should be given the same sentence as a would be rapist would. And...any money, property or future proceeds as well.


26 posted on 12/17/2013 5:37:04 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: kjam22

Bump.


27 posted on 12/17/2013 5:37:15 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

yes


28 posted on 12/17/2013 5:38:41 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Vendome

Okay, that makes a bit more sense.


29 posted on 12/17/2013 5:38:49 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

I have several women friends who are LE “Victim’s Advocates”. A whole lot of what they do is talking dumb Bambi-ettes out of the morning after regrets:

“So, you willingly got pissed with this guy? You willingly went back to his apartment? You willingly went into his bedroom? And NOW you decide that was a dumb idea, and, as a consequence, you want to ruin his life by accusing him of rape?”

Most come to their senses; a few are hard sells - the ones who want to CYA with mommy and daddy.


30 posted on 12/17/2013 5:39:11 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: henkster
On the one hand, false accusers should be punished. On the other hand, the knowledge that they will be punished could keep some false accusers from recanting.

The way I see it, the knowledge that they could be punished could keep some false accusers from lying in the first place.

31 posted on 12/17/2013 5:41:42 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

You over estimate the deterrence effect of possible punishment. The types who do this are just not that smart.


32 posted on 12/17/2013 5:48:09 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: OddLane

Don’t forget the only way these guys are cleared in the first place is when these sl*ts recant unless physical evidence suggests someone else.


33 posted on 12/17/2013 5:51:12 PM PST by Average Al
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To: ChildOfThe60s
You're assuming the type of people who would falsely accuse somebody of rape would be the type who would think through the consequences of their actions.

IMHO, not a safe assumption.

34 posted on 12/17/2013 5:55:47 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Titan Magroyne

*Ping*


35 posted on 12/17/2013 5:56:52 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw [Robert A. Heinlein])
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To: OddLane
HELL YES!
36 posted on 12/17/2013 5:57:24 PM PST by Savage Beast ("And may the odds be ever in your favor." IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!)
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To: OddLane

Yes!


37 posted on 12/17/2013 5:58:04 PM PST by krunkygirl (force multiplier in effect...)
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To: OddLane

Someone admits to lying about such a serious matter and is willing to ruin another persons life should be dealt with in some fashion. Of course the lawyers don’t see a big money payout for themselves in most cases so naturally they aren’t interested.

A victim may not want to sue since their own conduct may not have been entirely above board either and have ones life dissected endlessly is not a prospect most of us would relish.

A fine book on civil suits for slander, a true story, is QBVII, which later became a movie.

Lastly, win or lose, all the lawyers collect their fees. So how much justice can a person afford?


38 posted on 12/17/2013 6:01:54 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: OddLane

should be charged with perjury, with the same sentencing guidelines as the rape charge.


39 posted on 12/17/2013 6:03:42 PM PST by woollyone ("The heart is deceptive above all things and beyond cure...who can understand it?")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

True, but there are a lot of false accusations made in the heat of the moment without thought of the consequences.


40 posted on 12/17/2013 6:04:02 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“The problem with imprisoning accusers who recant is that it discourages recantation.”

Good point, that could be an issue. However, if there no repercussions, we are encouraging false accusations, since the accusation alone can be used as a very dangerous weapon. Along with accusing someone of domestic violence, or molestation, it’s one of the worst, and most effective character assassination tactics around (and all three are overwhelmingly used against men).

Saying that we need corroboration may help alleviate the chances of imprisonment for the falsely accused, but it does nothing to shield them from the consequences of the accusation on all other aspects of their life. So, it doesn’t reduce the value of the accusation as a weapon much either, and people will still choose to use it as such.

One thing we can do to help which shouldn’t really be controversial is a two-way rape shield law. If the accuser’s identity is protected, then the accused’s identity should also be protected, until an actual conviction has happened.


41 posted on 12/17/2013 6:05:30 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
The two way shield law is an excellent idea. I too am concerned abut extreme punishment discouraging those who might otherwise recant. There is the old adage that, "it's better for ten guilty men to go free, than to have one innocent man jailed." In that regard, not punishing the accuser might be viewed as allowing one guilty person get away in order to free one wrongly accused man.

But I think there's a middle ground...something perhaps like a reverse statute of limitations, i.e. If you recant within one year, there's no criminal penalty, but you remain civilly liable. Recant between 2-5 years after the fact and face up to a year imprisonment. Over five years and you serve the full punishment the wrongly accused faced. That is only for those who recant. If the wrongful accusation is discovered independently of the accuser (i.e. by the defense counsel, law enforcement, etc.) all bets are off and the accuser receives none of the early incentives if discovered within the first five years.

42 posted on 12/17/2013 6:14:37 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Boogieman

It’s getting so that most people are quite skeptical of rape accusations, anyway.


43 posted on 12/17/2013 6:14:48 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: OddLane

I know a guy who was falsely arrested for rape.

He was the last guy you would ever think would have raped anyone and in fact he didn’t. He was head of a Federal Law Enforcement Agency in the city. He was a deacon in the First Baptist Church and a straight arrow if there ever was one.

The woman saw him driving by and got his tag number and accused him. It didn’t take the cops too long to realize they had the wrong guy but it took a few weeks before they caught the right one. He did not look anything like the guilty one.

He was able to get his arrest completely removed from the records.


44 posted on 12/17/2013 6:16:19 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: OddLane

False rape accusers should be prosecuted, and if found guilty, they should receive the same sentence that would have been awarded to the accused rapist. THEN they should be sued for all legal costs to the falsely accused rapist and the court.


45 posted on 12/17/2013 6:21:42 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: OddLane

AND JAILED!


46 posted on 12/17/2013 6:24:35 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Beowulf9

After they are prosecuted and jailed.


47 posted on 12/17/2013 6:30:49 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: OddLane

False accusers should face the same sentence as the crime they lied about carries.


48 posted on 12/17/2013 6:32:36 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: OddLane; All

I wonder if they are including the false rape claim of Erica Kinsman, the gal who claimed Florida St QB Jameis Winston raped?

For some reason the media believes the White girl over the black athlete in this one....even though the gal’s story is bogus


49 posted on 12/17/2013 6:39:04 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Einstein was right)
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To: OddLane

Remember that the Scottsboro Boys’ trial was the Zimmerman trial of its day.

With help from the *American Communist Party*, the case was appealed. The Alabama Supreme Court affirmed seven of the eight convictions, and granted thirteen-year-old Eugene Williams a new trial because he was a juvenile. They were also later aided by the *Communist Party USA*, a different organization.

Chattanooga Party member James Allen edited the Communist Southern Worker, and publicized “the plight of the boys”. The Party used its legal arm, the International Labor Defense (ILD), to take up their cases.

Two ILD attorneys were charged with attempting to bribe Victoria Price, the woman who recanted her testimony.

So the bottom line is maybe the boys were innocent, and maybe they weren’t. Unlike those who were clearly guilty, yet made into public causes for the far left, such as Sacco & Vanzetti, and twenty years later Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

The boys didn’t get a fair trial by today’s standards, which is not in doubt, but that does not prove innocence or guilt, either.


50 posted on 12/17/2013 6:50:48 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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