Skip to comments.Sheriff Dart slams restrictions on concealed-carry background checks
Posted on 12/18/2013 5:21:49 AM PST by rellimpank
Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart said Tuesday that the state is hindering his ability to check the criminal backgrounds of people applying for concealed carry permits.
This year, Illinois became the last state to allow concealed carry. The law takes effect Jan. 1 and the state expects to start issuing permits in April.
With tens of thousands of people potentially applying for permits in Cook County early next year, Dart says he fears the state wont be able to keep up with background checks and local police agencies wont be able to help.
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-and also , as usual the responses are overwhelmingly in favor of concealed carry--
This year, Illinois became the last state to allow concealed carry
I keep reading that and it is BS.
I live in Maryland. Try to get a concealed Carry permit here.
Your chances of winning the power ball are better.
” state police say local agencies cant use the LEADS system”
“Allow” concealed carry and allow concealed carry are two different things. You are “allowed” to concealed carry in every state (but not the Den of Corruption). However, in certain states the only ones allowed to concealed carry are the members of the Ruling Class(TM).
The fight won’t be over until every state has (at the very least) “shall issue” concealed carry laws.
“The fight wont be over until every state has (at the very least) shall issue concealed carry laws.”
It will never be over. Eternal vigilance.
However, a good first step would be national reciprocity. That would put enormous pressure on the scoff-law states, like MD, to loosen their elitist may issue laws.
Meanwhile, the D.A.s in Peoria and Tazewell counties (Mid state) have issued public statements saying they will not prosecute for simply concealed carry.
Other central and southern counties may have done the same. I live in Tazewell county.
From what I've read on these pages, it's extremely difficult in some other states as well.
National reciprocity would be a great thing, especially if it applied to DC as well (which I think would be perfectly in line with the founders’ vision for the capital). I think I saw on the Gun Owners of America website yesterday that there are a couple bills proposing that before the House.
Of course, then you have the question of which state’s laws apply: the state issuing the permit or the state in which the permit holder happens to be. In other words, if someone from a state that cares about the Constitution happens to be in the Socialist State of New York, can they use their standard-capacity magazines, or are they limited to 7-shooters like the New Yorkers? Odds are it would be the latter unless you are driving through (thanks to FOPA). Then the next step would be firearms law preemption, that no state can make more restrictive laws regarding firearms than the US law.
The reason is that the LEADS system is based on name and DOB, which is NOT positive ID. Fingerprints ARE a positive ID. If you are going to be potentially denying a constitutional right, you have to use positive ID.
In Colorado they send your prints to both the State and the FBI.
Why can’t they do that?
In Illinois they are sending to both state and FBI. The problem is that Mr. Dart and the Chicago machine are vehemently opposed to concealed carry in any form whatsoever, leaving only cops and criminals to be able to go armed. They wanted a carve-out for Chicago to draft its own laws that were different from the state law. Emanuel made it clear that he opposed ANYONE other than LEO’s to have concealed weapons. That didn’t happen and because Chicago is so used to getting its own way, the whining from Chicago is deafening. It’s also interesting to note that “the system” which Mr. Dart will tell you he expects everyone to follow and submit themselves to, he clearly doesn’t trust.
In my opinions, Dart is going to use this—objecting to anyone with even one arrest but no convictions for those crimes—to flood the review system and just bog everything down. The state will insist that is just can’t follow the 90 day law because of the volume of applications and objections, and we’ll be waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting, fulfilling the Chicago machine’s desire to have no concealed carry.
I’m still so curious to know how a government can break the law and nothing happens, but citizens break the law and get bent over the table. When you don’t follow a legally defined deadline as a citizen, you get fined or worse. The state is supposed to issue FOID cards within 30 days and has been running four and five times that, and the only thing is they say “we’re just too busy” and that’s the end of it. UI fear that “we’re just too busy” is going to be exactly what we hear from the CCW processing. I hope they will follow the 90 day law, but I’m not holding my breath.
The people wringing their hands bloody about how “it will turn into the wild west” have been wrong in every state they’ve put up a fuss in, and they are wrong here as well.
Meanwhile it was mayor Emanuel who spread bald-faced misinformation about the law. Emanuel who publicly said that “what every police chief in the country thinks” is that concealed carry should nto be allowed.
Another “inconvenient truth” is that in reality, many police chiefs endorse it, as did the Illinois association of police chiefs...and so did Mr. Emanuel’s very own Chicago Police Sergeant’s association. Perhaps Hizzonner should stop putting words in cops’ mouths, especially when so many are saying exactly the opposite publicly.
They know what hey know, don’t confuse them with the facts.