Skip to comments.Federal team will try to lift crashed plane from seafloor
Posted on 12/18/2013 5:47:06 AM PST by WhiskeyX
Dec. 17--The National Transportation Safety Board said Monday it plans to recover the plane that crashed off Kalaupapa last week with eight passengers aboard, including Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, who died after safely evacuating the aircraft. [....] In the Makani Kai case, Maui officials have not yet released an official cause of death for Fuddy,.... An autopsy was conducted Friday. [....] Services for Fuddy have been set for Saturday....
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They want to make sure she’s really dead
“Medical examiner dies in mysterious crash. Film at eleven.”
yeah that bullet in the head is going to be a little tricky to explain
Do they do this for non-governmental employees, or sons of martyred Presidents, in small plane crashes?
My only question is what will the federal agency created to accomplish this feat do when, ten years and 15 billion later, they finally succeed?
> They want to make sure shes really dead
And disinfect the plane. Death sure does come around 0’s administration a lot.
Well, it makes sense when you realize we're dealing with Marxists.
What evidence do we have that the plane crashed, and wasn’t scuttled?
So she was the only one?
The survivors who were aboard the aircraft and the witnesses on the ground who report they heard the loud bang which caused the engine to quit. The engine is a Curtiss Wright PT-6 turboprop design, which has been known to have some other recent failures in other aircraft that are still the subject of investigation to discover the causes. One of those causes may be EDD(Electrical Discharge damage) resulting from yet to be understood issues when repairing a failed electrical generator, accoding to an Australian air transportation agency.
Yeah, I’m sure that the other survivors who were treading water with her before she died totally wouldn’t have noticed something like that.
Maybe they want to confirm contents of her baggage.
I think that it's GREAT that the federal government has got lots of its own money laying around to spend on stuff like this, and doesn't have to tax the peasants at gunpoint to get it...
They should probably fly some TSA staff over from LAX to check the luggage as it comes off the plane.
Anytime I want someone offed, I make sure I have numerous witness, and draw media and helicopters to the scene.
<< And disinfect the plane. Death sure does come around 0s administration a lot. >>
Seriously, what’s a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane? Why not just let it stay where it is? What happens in OTHER cases with normal, everyday people who ditch a small plane in the ocean? Why would the federal govt pay good money to retrieve a useless small plane?
IOW, for those who follow this type of thing, is this retrieval something “above and beyond” what is normally done? If yes, are there any legitimate reasons? Because the only thing that’s coming to my feeble little mind is to sanitize the plane before curiosity seeker scuba divers find it, and that doesn’t exactly fall under the “Legitimate” column.
So many questions...
To determine if there is a flaw in the design of the engine, bad repair parts (there are a lot of non TSO parts that are sold as TSO, fuel contamination etc. or perhaps improper maintenance. This is important to prevent future failures with this engine if this was the cause of the crash.
I put nothing beyond Obama, but this seems to be a straight up accident due to engine failure due to at this time unknown causes.
She knew too much period!
Out of 6-10 folks, I forget the exact number, she is THE ONLY dead person.
Minimally that is suspicious even to the numerous fools that would believe ANYTHING the federal government said!
A lot of those questions answered in the source article, including the cost of the plane’s recovery being billed to the airline’s insurance company, and the recovery being handled by a private company. And NTSB interest in the engine of the plane which has had a number of engine related accidents recently.
Her being the only dead person is not suspicious at all. No one was seriously injured in the crash. She, and everyone, got out of the plane. I’m far more inclined to believe she had a heart attack. Being fat, 65, and just having been in a plane crash could certainly cause a heart attack.
...the plane that crashed off Kalaupapa last week with eight passengers aboard, including Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, who died after safely evacuating the aircraft.Thanks WhiskyX.
sheesh you don’t have much experience with this do you
so Ron Brown was by himself on that plane?
Coroner's report: "Cause of death: drowning due to leak in head caused by little hole in skull".
Maybe they want to know why it didn't disintegrate in mid-air, as planned? (Just putting on the tinfoil).
“yeah that bullet in the head is going to be a little tricky to explain”
Coroner’s report: “Cause of death: drowning due to leak in head caused by little hole in skull”.
they need to look carefully at the one “holding her hand” as she died, he is most likely the killer
Did Fuddy survive the crash, exit the plane on her own power, tread water for some period of time, then die in the water?
So this conspiracy is true because of a random question you pose about another conspiracy theory...gotcha.
Definitely. It’s more fun when amateur internet sleuths immediately suspect what you did, but can’t prove it.
Thanks - I bet her autopsy show heart attack or stroke as the cause of death.
“Seriously, whats a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane?”
Well, if the cause of the crash is not a commonly known one, they probably want to figure out what happened so they can try to prevent future crashes.
“Out of 6-10 folks, I forget the exact number, she is THE ONLY dead person.”
So what do you suspect happened, if you are so suspicious about this? Obama crashed the plane, then sent scuba-equipped assassins to find her in the water and kill only her, while leaving all the possible witnesses alive?
Holy cr@p!! I’ve ignored this story, thinking it was just another crash... seen so much of it that I finally checked it out... Fuddy!?!?! Oh wow..
Who was it that was keeping a list of all of the known Obumhead’s associates (or checking out his background) that have “died”?
The plot thickens by the week... O.O
In a different article from the Honolulu Star Adviser (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20131217_Makani_Kai_pilot_returns_to_cockpit_after_leaving_hospital.html):
The National Transportation Safety Board hopes to pull the plane out of the water after initially thinking it wouldn’t be recoverable.
“I’m highly motivated to recover that aircraft,” Schuman said. “We don’t know what happened. We don’t know why.”
If the plane is recovered, Makani Kai staff will remove the engine under the supervision of NTSB officials, Schuman said.
It will be placed in a box and sealed, with the NTSB likely taking it back to the factory of engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney, where engineers will take it apart to find out what happened, he said.
I thought they had stopped the little inter-island twin turbo-prop planes? I used to fly them from Honolulu to Kapalua on Maui and back and they gave out quite a ride and view. Last time, they had new 717s between islands and Kapalua was no longer an option.
I bet you even believe in the “pristine bullet”, and “you can keep your doctor”, and “aw shucks, the Benghazi attackers were mad at a video”, and Hassan committed “workplace violence” and “Obama is a “patriot” and “I didn’t have sex with that woman” and I could go on and on and on endlessly.
We live under a government of lies and liars my friend. Sadly, it (lying) has become the “norm” and “routine” NOT the “exception”. I was just trying to make that point. Namely that I won’t believe ANYTHING the NTSB says no matter what it is that they say ergo bringing up the little wrecked plane is another waste of borrowed money. Sorry you obviously missed my point.
Finally, if you don’t think that elements of the federal government have, from time to time in our history, been complicit in “offing” a few people the politicians didn’t like then you just landed on earth yesterday and there is not much hope for you.
OK, it’s a single engine Cessna. Is it inter-island or chartered.
Her body was reclaimed according to the article and is not in the submerged plane.
“I bet you even believe in the pristine bullet, and you can keep your doctor, and aw shucks, the Benghazi attackers were mad at a video, and Hassan committed workplace violence and Obama is a patriot and I didnt have sex with that woman and I could go on and on and on endlessly.”
Meaningless blather. Just because you don’t have any discernment, and have to believe every conspiracy theory just because government may tell lies, doesn’t mean the rest of us have to fall into that trap.
You still haven’t answered what exactly you think could have happened here that is so suspicious. Maybe Obama trained some killer dolphins to find her in the water and poke her to death? Come on, if you are going to get looney, get creative at least.
“whats a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane?”
To get the remote fuel cut-off switch off the engine, so it can’t be catalogued by the NTSB or Pratt-Whitney as the cause of failure.
Doubt there’s a bullet in her head, but probably the one next to her just held her head underwater for a couple of mins while she was floating and bobbing. They can’t afford another Ron Brown incident and pics on the Net of his head and bullet fragments etc.
And ya just don't see many of them around anymore.
It's akin to seeing Hispano-Suiza RB211's on a McDonnell-Douglas B747-400.
The Grand Caravan is not a twin turbo-prop, and it ain't little.
The engine could have been sabotaged to create a crash close to shore that most could survive, in order to create a plausible natural reason for Fuddy to have what is actually chemically-induced heart failure.
The only way it would be known is by detecting tampering with the engine, and/or an autopsy showing poisons in the body. But heart failure can be chemically induced without leaving any traces.
This particular aircraft has only had 4 instances of engine failure in the last 34 years, and 2 of those were within 50 days of each other and possibly involved the same air company and/or pilot. Clyde Kawasaki is not listed on the Makani Kai staff webpage as their pilot. He has never been listed as their pilot. They have 2 web pages showing their staff. One was started in early December of this year, the other has been around for years and was updated in June of this year - yet neither of the pages lists Kawasaki or ever has listed Kawasaki.
I’m told that airlines sometimes borrow from each other in the muddle of daily workings. The other company that flies out of Molokai is Mokulele, which is the company that had the other Cessna engine failure 50 days before this. Mokulele was associated with Aloha Airlines after Aloha went bankrupt, which is the company Kawasaki is said to have flown for. Mokulele doesn’t publish the names of their pilots, and while the 2 pilots in the Cessna engine failure 50 days earlier were praised highly they were never publicly named. If Kawasaki was “borrowed” from Mokulele for this flight, it would make a Mokulele connection to both of the Cessna engine failures, which within 50 days DOUBLED the 34-year number of engine failures for that engine.
The Mokulele crash resulted in a fully-intact plane and was known to have been caused by engine failure. The NTSB has given a preliminary report but hasn’t determined the cause of the engine failure. Presumably they packed and sealed the engine and sent it to the manufacturer like they intend to do with this one. If so, that company will be looking at 2 cases of engine failure within 50 days close to Maui. SOMEBODY may be dealing with some liability issues by the time all is said and done.
Yes, I acknowledged that above. Little is relative and when I say little, I was actually talking about the twin turboprop that used to fly inter-island and it held over twenty people. Compared to the 717 or DC9 (same basic plane) it is little. The little plane was an awesome ride and better view, the 717s take off and land quickly, you don't get a great view compared to cruising between islands on a twin prop job.
Makani Kai Air does scheduled inter-island flights but there was not one scheduled for that time so it appears that this was a chartered flight. There were 8 passengers and one pilot aboard. The pilot, Clyde Kawasaki, is not listed on Makani Kai Air’s website as a pilot for them although the owner, Richard Schuman, says he has flown for them for about 2 years. Archive.org has taken a snapshot of their staff page 11 times in the past 2 years, IIRC, and Kawasaki has never been listed as their pilot. In early December this year they added an additional page listing pilots but Kawasaki is not listed on that page either.
Fuddy got out of the plane and was doing fine, floating in her life jacket like everybody else, when a 70-some-year-old survivor started to swim for shore. He was surprised to find that she died. Her deputy director was holding her hand to try to calm her, after helping her get her life jacket on. He says she let go and didn’t respond after that.
>>The engine could have been sabotaged to create a crash close to shore that most could survive, in order to create a plausible natural reason for Fuddy to have what is actually chemically-induced heart failure.Alternatively, perhaps the saboteur's hope may have been that all on the plane would have died, and if so, perhaps a chemical was covertly dosed to Fuddy as a secondary precaution in case the pilot was fortunate enough to manage a non-fatal "crash landing"?
If you like your plane,you can keep your plane.
If you like your Department of Health Director,you can keep
your Department of Health Director.