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COMMENTARY: Bishop Michael Pfeifer: Immigration reform needed
The Monitor ^ | December 18, 2013 | Bishop Michael Pfeifer

Posted on 12/18/2013 11:25:24 AM PST by moonshinner_09

According to the Pew Hispanic Center, there are about 11.2 million unauthorized persons residing in the United States. Each year, approximately 300,000 more unauthorized immigrants enter the country. In large part, these immigrants feel compelled to enter by either the explicit or implicit promise of employment in the American agriculture, construction, service and other industries. Most of this unauthorized flow comes from Mexico, a nation struggling with severe poverty. Survival has thus become the primary impetus for unauthorized immigration flow into the United States. Today’s unauthorized immigrants are largely low-skilled workers who come to the United States for work to support their families. During the past several decades, the demand by U.S. businesses, large and small, for low-skilled workers has grown exponentially, while the supply of available workers for low-skilled jobs has diminished. Yet, there are only 5,000 green cards available annually for low-skilled workers to enter the United States lawfully to live and work. The only alternative to this is for them to get a temporary work visa. At their current numbers, these are woefully insufficient to provide legal means for the foreign-born to enter the United States to live and work, and thereby meet our country’s demand for foreign-born labor. In light of all this, many consider the prospect of being apprehended for crossing illegally into the United States a necessary risk. Even after being arrested and deported, reports indicate that many immigrants attempt to re-enter our country.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; catholicchurch; immigration; mexico; usccb
As we consider our broken immigration system, our elected officials must also examine the root causes of migration here. Lawmakers must work with other countries so they create jobs that will keep people in their homelands. ..I wonder when Bishop Michael Pfeifer,thinks we should do ,something about the millions of Americans unemployed ?Does he really believe law makers have plenty of time to help Mexico create jobs and at the same time he does not factor in how greatly Americans are suffering from being out of work.If the Bishop has time to tell America what to do about illegal immigration,how about he submit some plans to Mexico, telling them what they need to do ?I would like to hear his comments on Mexico's immigration laws about how they can start being about hard work, opportunity, responsibility, sharing, caring and compassion.
1 posted on 12/18/2013 11:25:24 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

>>unauthorized persons residing in the United States<<

You mean...Illegal aliens?


2 posted on 12/18/2013 11:27:26 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: moonshinner_09

Of course the Catholic church is for amnesty and open borders becasue a large percentage of Mexicans are Catholic. It’s all about the money in the plate.


3 posted on 12/18/2013 11:28:22 AM PST by circlecity
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To: moonshinner_09
Hey! Bishop!

Mexico is a FAR wealthier country than the United States, but all the wealth is concentrated into the hands of a few oligarchical families who have controlled it for centuries.

If you are truly concerned about "the poor," why don't you get Old Mexico to do some "redistributing" instead of participating in and encouraging the destruction of the US middle class?

4 posted on 12/18/2013 11:28:32 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: moonshinner_09

The Bishop’s position boils down to “butts in the pews and Tithe.”

His position certainly is not scriptural or Holy in nature.


5 posted on 12/18/2013 11:29:29 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: moonshinner_09
If the Bishop has time to tell America what to do about illegal immigration,how about he submit some plans to Mexico, telling them what they need to do ?I would like to hear his comments on Mexico's immigration laws about how they can start being about hard work, opportunity, responsibility, sharing, caring and compassion.

Good points.

6 posted on 12/18/2013 11:30:09 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: moonshinner_09

Just skimming the titles, I thought this was about Michelle Pfeiffer, so now I am disappointed :(


7 posted on 12/18/2013 11:31:11 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: servantboy777

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/P/Michelle-Pfeiffer-9439133-1-402.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.biography.com/people/michelle-pfeiffer-9439133&h=224&w=224&sz=1&tbnid=tMVq9C4dfBqNNM:&tbnh=186&tbnw=186&zoom=1&usg=__jV7ub_NR-Q0nBtA6a0D83SXRaOI=&docid=COr6mDIc8kozJM&itg=1&sa=X&ei=_fmxUsXZA9PtoATmj4DwBg&ved=0CJgBEPwdMAo


8 posted on 12/18/2013 11:40:20 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

who knew michelle pfeiffer was a bishop?


9 posted on 12/18/2013 11:41:21 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: moonshinner_09

The immigration system isn’t broken.

We just have crooks and shysters in office who violate the Constitution, ignore the law, and use their oaths of office to wipe themselves.

This applies to both parties although democrats are more blatant and in-your-face about it.


10 posted on 12/18/2013 11:43:17 AM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: moonshinner_09

No question those “Free Phones” are bringing ‘em in!


11 posted on 12/18/2013 11:46:00 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: moonshinner_09
As we consider our broken immigration system

According to the Pew Hispanic Center, there are about 11.2 million unauthorized persons residing in the United States.

Ten or eleven years ago, during the Bush administration, we were told that there were 12 million illegals here and another 1 million were coming in every year.

So where did the extra ten million disappear to?
Don't try to tell us that all ten million left voluntarily because of the Obama economic depression.

The truth is that there are probably closer to 25 million illegals here - and maybe many more than that.


12 posted on 12/18/2013 11:50:55 AM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: Iron Munro

Yes and if they are legalized they will be allowed to bring in tens of millions relatives and they will be predominately on welfare. Illegals have already produced enough American born children to sway many future elections to the dems.


13 posted on 12/18/2013 12:44:36 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: moonshinner_09

Another Catholic bishop campaigning for more pro-abortion voters. Immigrants vote about 70% for pro-abortion politicians.

And those pro-abortion politicians are the ones who are ramping up persecution of the Church.


14 posted on 12/18/2013 12:47:29 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: moonshinner_09

Another Catholic bishop campaigning for more pro-abortion voters. Immigrants vote about 70% for pro-abortion politicians.

And those pro-abortion politicians are the ones who are ramping up persecution of the Church.


15 posted on 12/18/2013 12:47:29 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: servantboy777
You mean...Illegal aliens?

Even that is too mild of a term for me since it's in the same vein as "illegal U-turn" or "illegal fishing". My preference is to label them criminal invaders since they are committing an act of war against the United States. And, as war criminals, they need to be treated as such, swiftly, consistently and without mercy.

16 posted on 12/18/2013 1:40:47 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: SoConPubbie; circlecity; E. Pluribus Unum
If you think Catholic politicians are in favor of accommodating illegal immigration because the Pope told them so, you are a few frijoles short of the plato combinado. They simply see them --- accurately --- as "undocumented Democrats."

Yes, 74% --- not 100% --- of the illegals, upon arriving on these shores, are nominal Catholics. And 5-10% percent per year leave the Church once they arrive --- yes, that´s 25% to 50% leaving in 5 years. So if this were a recruitment strategy for the Catholic Church, it sure isn´t working. Far more of them remain Catholics if they remain in Mexico and Central America.

Plus --- if my parish is any example --- immigrant (at least, Latino) Catholics contribute exceedingly little to the collection basket, which I can guess only by comparing the total from the 12 Noon Sunday Mass (the Spanish Mass) with that of the other, English Masses. So if it were meant as a moneymaker for the Catholic Church, that sure ain't working, either.

And the Vatican has said not one word about any one of dozens of possible kinds of competing legislative proposals.

Pope Francis has urgently asked that we treat migrants with real consideration for their physical needs, their cultural values, their membership in a civic community, and family reunification. All four of these goals could be achieved by prompt and humane repatriation to the home countries where each and every one of them has a family and holds legal citizenship.

17 posted on 12/31/2013 8:47:56 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Department of Redundancy Department.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Plus --- if my parish is any example --- immigrant (at least, Latino) Catholics contribute exceedingly little to the collection basket, which I can guess only by comparing the total from the 12 Noon Sunday Mass (the Spanish Mass) with that of the other, English Masses. So if it were meant as a moneymaker for the Catholic Church, that sure ain't working, either."

"if my parish is any example"......Why in the world should we assume that?

18 posted on 12/31/2013 8:54:11 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity
Because I don't know my parish is in any sense atypical, and I've been a parishoner is a dozen parishes around the country: north, south, east and west.

There may be moneyed illegals lavishly funding burgeoning parishes somewhere, but I've had my antennae up for years, and I've never heard of it.

Have you?

Links? Evidence?

19 posted on 12/31/2013 8:59:27 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"There may be moneyed illegals lavishly funding burgeoning parishes somewhere, but I've had my antennae up for years, and I've never heard of it. Have you?"

I haven't heard either way of every parish and niether have you. You say "I don't know my parish is an any sense atypical" but you don't know that is in any sense typical either. If so please provide the links and verification. And nothing has to be lavish - 15 million people giving five bucks a week around the country is lots of money. Every penny is gravy when there are open pews.

20 posted on 12/31/2013 9:07:14 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity
You led off with a charge about moneymaking off of illegal immigrants in the Catholic Church. You had no evidence.

I disputed that, and had evidence of my personal parish experience.

I could have added that members of the Hispanic Community here are also big users of parish and diocesan resources: the Food Pantry, the Parish Nurse, and tuition subsides for the Parish School, and CCETN, Catholic Charities of East Tennessee [BTW I do not begrudge them of it one bit, since these are voluntarily funded benefits, not government coerced entitlements. I myself an the coordinator of my parish's Citizenship Classes for Green Carders, who are permanent legal residents.] -- the point being, I have every reason to deduce that they are, at this point, functioning as a mission within the parish, and not as a self-sustaining community, far less a cash cow.

If I were you, I would refrain from making discrediting claims about other people, their churches, and their motivations, without any substantiating evidence.

A reasonable expectation, I think.

21 posted on 12/31/2013 9:22:40 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"You led off with a charge about moneymaking off of illegal immigrants in the Catholic Church. You had no evidence"

Yep. A bunch of additional people in the Catholic pews is absolutely no basis to assume there will be more money coming in. None at all. Give me a break. And get back with me when you return to reality.

22 posted on 12/31/2013 9:26:24 AM PST by circlecity
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To: moonshinner_09

Were your parents or grandparents immigrants?

End of discussion.


23 posted on 12/31/2013 9:35:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Were your ancestors (parents, grandparents or great-grandparents) immigrants?

End of discussion.


24 posted on 12/31/2013 9:38:48 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: circlecity
There are people who are a net financial loss to the parish, as I have known for almost 50 years when I was a teenager in a parish which continued in existence from year to year only because of subsidies from the Diocese. It was called a "mission parish."

The Catholic Church operates "missions" not because they pay off in money, but because she is a pastor of souls.

NEWS FLASH:
I'm on your side. I'm opposed to illegal immigration, too, and I think San Angelo bishop Michael Pfeifer is wrong on this one. Stay on what is provable or reasonably inferred from evidence, FRiend, and you can make a much stronger case case with no objection from me.

25 posted on 12/31/2013 9:56:45 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: Salvation

There were no pro-abortion politicians when my great-grandparents and grandfather immigrated.

End of discussion.


26 posted on 01/02/2014 8:50:16 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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