Posted on 12/18/2013 7:25:42 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Of course a fan of the genocidal mass-murderer Putin would also be a fan of the genocidal mass-murderers Saddam and Kadaffy, Putin’s good comrades.
I’m not a fan of either of them. But every fruit belongs to it’s tree and it how they have to be judged. It makes no sense to hang a watermelon on a birch and for that exact reason neocon(m) nation-building, rose revolutions and arab spring doesn’t work.
Let people of certain nations decide of their own.
The US invasion of Iraq worked too. Saddam is dead. Mission Accomplished.
Maybe it didn't work for Saddam's Russian comrades, but for the USA it worked just fine.
One of the ways to build an Empire is to offer a deal to a neighbor that is of common interest and mutual benefit.
The EU is offering the Ukraine IMF and World Bank loans supposedly for their benefit but with a bunch of progressive New World Order strings attached that would effectively enslave Ukrainians.
Russia has to offer financial incentives but does so with fewer strings and the money remains in Eastern European Slavic hands ideally trickling back to Russia in trade.
Ukrainians are not rich in accumulated wealth, but have abundant natural resources that will fuel both Ukrainian and Russian productive expansion, (diverse industry) needed in both nations. The EU deal would have the West control these resources and charge high energy prices to Ukrainians (globull warming and environmental necessity, of course), while Russia will supply cheap energy for the people and industry.
Putin looks at Ukraine as an investment, and has to match what the EU offers, but he can offer fewer strings and still have it benefit Russia.The EU looks at Ukraine as an environment that needs protection,............from Ukrainians, and they have the programs to do it.
As for the other provinces you mention, there are Russian interests, and ethnic Russians there, too.
Exactly. If Russians are investing their money into a company building aircraft engines they are buying this engines to install on their aircraft. It makes jobs for Ukrainians and taxes for their government. If Europeans are investing in said companies they are closing their plants and redeveloping it into a shopping malls to sell European products replacing jobs with welfare benefits.
Russia and the changing world - "Russia is part of the greater world whether we are talking about the economy, media coverage or cultural development.""We will strive to ensure a new world order, one that meets current geopolitical realities, and one that develops smoothly and without unnecessary upheaval."
"It is often said that human rights override state sovereignty. No doubt about this crimes against humanity must be punished by the International Court."
"It is important for the United Nations and its Security Council to effectively counter the dictates of some countries and their arbitrary actions in the world arena. Nobody has the right to usurp the prerogatives and powers of the UN, particularly the use of force as regards sovereign nations."
"Russia is actively participating in the international effort to support the ailing European economies, and is consistently working with its partners to formulate collective decisions under the auspices of the IMF. Russia is not opposed in principle to direct financial assistance in some cases. At the same time I believe that external financial injections can only partially solve the problem. A true solution will require energetic, system-wide measures. European leaders face the task of effecting large-scale transformations that will fundamentally change many financial and economic mechanisms to ensure genuine budget discipline." - Vladimir Putin
When Ukraine announced acceptance of the Russian trade compact, the value and rating of their bond holdings rose markedly, as Russian - Ukrainian economic cooperation has more potential growth and profit than the EU deal, in the eyes of Western (!) investment gurus.
Like Obama, I watch what Putin does, not what he says.
If you're trying to make the point that he says one thing and does another, I won't disagree, but what he does seems to work for Russia.
I propose again that we work toward creating a harmonious community of economies from Lisbon to Vladivostok, which will, in the future, evolve into a free trade zone and even more advanced forms of economic integration.Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans. We are by no means indifferent to developments in united Europe. That is why Russia proposes moving toward the creation of a common economic and human space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean - a community referred by Russian experts to as "the Union of Europe," which will strengthen Russia's potential and position in its economic pivot toward the "new Asia." - Vladimir Putin
Again, what he does over what he says, results over promises.
Evening, fish! Always good to see you on the forum.
Evening, Patriot! I like to see you here, too.
He says he defends Russia's interests but Russia's interests are not to slash gas prices for Ukraine. Russia's interests would be to get a profitable price. The reason Putin has to control the energy sector from the Kremlin is because privately run capitalist businesses would put profit first.
"Nation-building" in Abkhazia and South Ossetia is not in Russia's interests. Russian money should be building Russia, not going into the pockets of the Chechen warlord, the son of the Chechen mufti.
Rebuilding the Soviet Union is not in Russia's interests. Russia is better off independent and free, but Putin is ruining that.
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