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Patty Murray backs off military pension cut
Politico ^ | 18 Dec 13 | AUSTIN WRIGHT

Posted on 12/19/2013 4:30:20 AM PST by SkyPilot

Sen. Patty Murray is distancing herself from a cut in military pensions in the budget deal she brokered with Rep. Paul Ryan.

Her unease about a key element of her own deal, which passed the Senate on Wednesday and is now headed to President Barack Obama, comes amid a backlash from veterans groups and Senate defense hawks that has put her and her colleagues in a tough spot going into an election year.

Murray’s response: The pension cut isn’t final.

“We wrote this bill in a way that will allow two years before this change is implemented so that Democrats and Republicans can keep working to either improve this provision or find smarter savings elsewhere,” she said on the Senate floor this week.

“In other words,” she added, “we can and we will look at other, hopefully better ways to change this policy going forward.”

Her stance provides a major opening for opponents of the cut to work to get it tossed out or replaced with alternate savings — an effort that could weaken the budget deal and force vulnerable senators to continue defending their support for an agreement that would provide sequester relief for federal agencies at the expense of veterans.

“We’re probably going to lose this fight, but we will win the war,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, who voted against the budget deal, declared to a group of veterans on Tuesday — vowing to take this fight into the next year. G

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; disabledveteran; lindagraham; military; pension
This abortion of a "deal" is a travesty. It provides relief from Sequestration to domestic programs and the military, and partially "pays for" it by cutting the pensions of military retirees, even those who have already retired, AND cuts pensions for disabled veterans.

Murray is blaming Paul Ryan:

"She’s also promising a “fix” next year that would exempt all disabled veterans. And at least one person close to the issue is pointing a finger at Murray’s Republican counterpart, the chairman of the House Budget Committee. “This was something that Ryan pushed for,” said a source close to the negotiations, discussing the issue on the condition of not being identified. Ryan’s backing of the provision would make sense, given that he’s long called for major reforms to federal pensions. But an aide to the Wisconsin Republican sidestepped the question on Wednesday, noting the two budget committee leaders both agreed to the terms of the deal.

Lindsey Graham is vowing to find out who did this to our veterans by putting this injustice into the bill:

“It’s funny that nobody will step up and own this,” said Graham, who faces several conservative primary challengers back home and has much to gain from his opposition to the budget agreement, which met fierce resistance from tea party groups because it increases the spending caps set by the Budget Control Act of 2011.

“Patty Murray said ‘Ask Paul Ryan,’” Graham said of his search for person responsible. “I talked to Paul Ryan; he said it came from the Pentagon. I talked to [Defense Secretary] Chuck Hagel, who had nothing to do with it.” But, Graham added: “We’re going to find the culprit here.”

They are "vowing" to change the disabled military clause, but it does not matter because it is in the bill the Senate passed, and now goes to Obama. As Graham said last week, once something is a Federal statute, it is almost impossible to change.

I believe Hagel is lying when he said he didn't suggest this cut to retired military - he has been dropping bombs since last Spring in speeches, vowing to cut pensions, Commissaries, healthcare, compensation, and more.

Paul Ryan is the biggest loser - he is now being exposed as the author of the provision, and we know he was the only one taking to the airwaves to brag to everyone that it was HE that jammed that provision through.

1 posted on 12/19/2013 4:30:20 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

BO tried to take vets medical away first wk he was in 2009.

It got rejected soundly and quickly. Maybe this is his doing

They do not understand the nature of reneging on a a solid deal with a volunteer military

Politicians, these ones in particular, are so stupid


2 posted on 12/19/2013 4:37:26 AM PST by stanne
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To: SkyPilot
Patty Murray = "Breaking Bad's" Mike Ermantraut in a wig.


3 posted on 12/19/2013 4:38:49 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SkyPilot
“It’s funny that nobody will step up and own this,” said Graham,

Every democrat and RINO who voted for this POS budget "owns it"

4 posted on 12/19/2013 4:40:12 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SkyPilot

"...she looks like she back off a cliff"

5 posted on 12/19/2013 4:41:00 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: SkyPilot
“We wrote this bill in a way that will allow two years before this change is implemented so that Democrats and Republicans can keep working to either improve this provision or find smarter savings elsewhere,” she said on the Senate floor this week.

“In other words,” she added, “we can and we will look at other, hopefully better ways to change this policy going forward.”

Just like sequestration was NEVER supposed to go into effect. It was a doomsday scenario put in place to prompt cooperation, right? It would never, ever actually happen!

6 posted on 12/19/2013 4:41:16 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SkyPilot
Get rid of head start aka Federal Babysitting service) and all the teacher's aids in the system and 90% of the counselors who diagnose ADHD and autism to gain funds for the schools and there will be money left over.

The military comes first. All this other cr** belongs at the local level.

7 posted on 12/19/2013 4:42:17 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SkyPilot

Seems she’s trying desperately to get the barn door closed after the horses have run off.


8 posted on 12/19/2013 4:52:08 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: SkyPilot

Paul Ryan is a fast talking RINO who thinks we’re stupid just as much as Boehner does. It still shocked me, however, to see him shiv disabled vets.


9 posted on 12/19/2013 4:59:11 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Paul Ryan is a fast talking RINO...

Boy, he sure fooled me. When he was vice pres candidate he seemed someone that had a handle on the Country's fiscal woes.
What a disappointment.

10 posted on 12/19/2013 5:17:36 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: SkyPilot
RE :”Lindsey Graham is vowing to find out who did this to our veterans by putting this injustice into the bill:...”

Oh brother

11 posted on 12/19/2013 5:20:29 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: SkyPilot
Our government is rapidly becoming the government of mañana.

Yes, we screwed it up today, but we promise we'll fix it tomorrow, when the heat blows over.

12 posted on 12/19/2013 5:20:32 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: SkyPilot
We’re probably going to lose this fight, but we will win the war,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, who voted against the budget deal,

Linda must really be worries about her re-election this year. I'm surprised, cause she actually voted against cloture too (unlike Blunt who's playing both sides).

13 posted on 12/19/2013 5:21:09 AM PST by mykroar (“We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again.” - Nathanael Greene)
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To: SkyPilot

And not a single one of these rat bastards would even suggest that they cut back on one, just one of their own perks of office, or take a minuscule cut in their own pay or pension, or eliminate the annual stipend paid their wives to host Washington dinner parties, or close the House post office (a public post office is just one block away), or the close the House cafeteria (the place is surrounded by a sea of D.C. restaurants and sandwich shops). Oh no. Everybody else must “share the sacrifice,” but not them.


14 posted on 12/19/2013 5:21:48 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: SkyPilot

The vets in Ryan’s district should find someone to run against him in the primary next year. Certainly, there is a vet much smarter than this loser, who let the dumbest woman in the Senate roll him in this Democrat deal.


15 posted on 12/19/2013 5:30:11 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

Recall it was Patty Murry who credited Osama Bin Ladin’s popularity in Arabia for his development of world class child care.


16 posted on 12/19/2013 5:34:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Maybe the NSA has something juicy on Ryan. It’s the Chicago Democrat way of doing politics.

Otherwise, why would a Republican fall for the same old line by the Dems to wait till the 8th or 10th year of a budget to start minor cutting, which never happens? This would be stupid.


17 posted on 12/19/2013 5:39:49 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: stanne
"They do not understand the nature of reneging on a a solid deal with a volunteer military"

Why would the ruling aristocracy violate rule number one of dictators and autocracies: First, pay the military. Bad things happen to those who don't follow that rule.

18 posted on 12/19/2013 6:18:37 AM PST by Truth29
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To: SkyPilot

So am I to understand Ryan’s $23 billion in savings isn’t even going to last long enough for the president to sign the bill?


19 posted on 12/19/2013 6:34:32 AM PST by Yogafist
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To: SkyPilot
PLEASE, get me out of this mess.
20 posted on 12/19/2013 7:13:13 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: SkyPilot

Did’nt he make a statement that it’s about time that the military personel take a cut because the federal employs have taken cut after cut?

Then he smiled and patted himelf on the back for a job well done.

I guess that there is no place within the bloated government that cuts could be made.

Screw the pormise that was made to the men who lived and die for their country only to be stabbed in the back by elected official who have no problem doing it with smiles on their faces.


21 posted on 12/19/2013 7:39:17 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: SkyPilot; alarm rider; Alex1977; at bay; Babsig; BILL_C; bnelson44; ColdOne; DesScorp; G.Love; ...
Make lots of noise linda. You need it. Problem is, you should have voted against this mess because it's just plain WRONG.

C'mon linda, tell us true: how would you have voted if you weren't gonna lose your seat this year?

Uber RINO Lindsey Ping
"Republican by day, Democrat by night."


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Just FReepmail me


22 posted on 12/19/2013 7:55:52 AM PST by upchuck (I can't stand people that don't know the difference between 'than' and 'then.' Their so stupid...)
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To: SkyPilot

People in WA state and WI wouldn’t mind seeing a military pension cut at all, would they? Unless they are affected veterans


23 posted on 12/19/2013 7:56:29 AM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Vinnie

The purpose of Paul Ryan is to make Dan Quayle look good. Is Quayle on board for Jebbie now?


24 posted on 12/19/2013 7:58:07 AM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: upchuck

SC people love Lindsey, as they will demonstrate once more in 2014.


25 posted on 12/19/2013 7:59:12 AM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Truth29

It’s that but so much more. They are not bmnot paying the military. It is so much worse

The military are used to not getting a lot of money. They are used to being told one thing then having plans change suddenly. That’s all part of it

And they plan their lives and that of tgeir children. They are enormously dedicated to education for their families and they value real estate. They plan their lives, retirees do

They plan according to the few certainties and one is how much they will expect their income to be.

If not they will just take their skills and dedication and education and take their chances in the civilian world because it often is a better deal for them and it always tempts

You can’t imagine one going to see a financial advisor and saying, ok here’s how much you need to put away to do this then educate then purchase a house then that etc, and we don’t know what congress will do with your retirement 15 years from now, so we can’t plan for that

That’s a deal BREAKER. It’s when they say no, I’ll go make real money and invest in an independent IRA for that. It’s a better chance

Plus, the congress represents the people. Tge people are allowing this. If the military can’t depend on the people to take care of a few necessary certainties, why should their dedication to protecting the people not take a hit?

In other words, at times like this we think the military is in it for money. No And people will find out what happens when congress makes it about money. They’ll leave and go make money.

A good military absolutely depends not on money. They are NOT mercernaries, but it sepends on honor

Congress has to honor its contracts with the military. Or there won’t be one. Not a volunteer one


26 posted on 12/19/2013 8:59:42 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

27 posted on 12/19/2013 10:05:54 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Complete idiots! Wait, that’s what they want us to think. I believe this was put in so the Rats can depress conservative turn out, then get credit for fixing it.


28 posted on 12/19/2013 10:52:13 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SkyPilot

That pic of Queen Murray is pegging my Gaydar. Just wondering if she will be touring Ft Lewis McCord or maybe Subase Bangor over the holidays? She must be “proud” as can be of that lazyass effort at budget-making.


29 posted on 12/19/2013 11:09:05 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: SkyPilot

Okay.

For those with military service, we know there are different levels and types of disabilities.

When ‘they’ are talking about exempting those with a ‘disability,’ just what are they talking about?

Combat-only disability ratings?

I don’t have a combat disability but after a career flying fighters I have darned near lost my hearing in one ear and have permanent spine damage and a torn muscle in my neck that causes discomfort (mostly on cold days). With my 30% VA disability rating, where do I fit in. . .or do I not fit in?

They have not given this much thought at all.

Heck, it’s like they never read the bill they voted on. . .oh, wait. . .


30 posted on 12/19/2013 12:07:47 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Doogle
like it's gone full dyke...
31 posted on 12/19/2013 3:40:25 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Hulka
I would guess they are looking at VA rated disability, which I believe does not distinguish combat or non-combat injuries per se in terms of ratings. From what I have gathered with the current bill that passed the House and Senate, Ryan wanted pensions cuts so bad he could taste them. Murray, not so much, but she went along, and now apparently regrets it. Ryan got his direction on the provisions to cut military retiree pensions direct from the DoD, and Ryan has blamed Hagel, who denied any culpability to Senator Graham (I believe Hagel is lying). Under the new agreement, you would have to be medically retired to be exempt from the Pension cuts. There are only a select few of these cases compared to the vast majority who retire. The DoD knows this, and that is why they pushed for this exclusion, because it gives them more money to steal from their retirees and currently serving members in uniform who will bear the full front of these costs.

You can be medically retired (you have to meet a board, a battery of doctors, etc), but it could be for something such as sleep apnea. That person will escape the COLA cuts. But, a 80% Disabled vet who has a Purple Heart (and I know of one) gets screwed.....under the Ryan-Murray deal they steal from his pension.

32 posted on 12/19/2013 3:57:59 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: JPG

That’s quite a ring around her neck.Last time I saw something like that,I was told it was an old rope injury from a bondage fetish.


33 posted on 12/19/2013 4:08:17 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SkyPilot

The reason these cuts were included was they know there is no way they will survive...they get ti claim the supposed “cost savings” then replace the spending after the outrage.

It is the same reason why the citizens of King County (seattle area) are asked to vote for a Medic One levy every few years...because they fund needle exchange programs first and then let the people vote to raise their taxes to pay for the skilled nedics who arrive when your seriously injured and need to be rushed to the E.R..


34 posted on 12/20/2013 12:30:22 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
The reason these cuts were included was they know there is no way they will survive

Well, we shall see, but I can tell you this:

-they sure as hell survived via overwhelming votes in both the House and the Senate to implement them

That does not bode well for currently serving military and military retired veterans.

35 posted on 12/20/2013 4:37:47 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

When you dance with the devil you’re going to get burned.

Paul Ryan just proved how stupid he is to partner with these Democrats.


36 posted on 12/20/2013 11:55:36 AM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: HarleyD

Liar, liar...pants on fire. This dyke and the doofus ryan need to be primary-ed and sent out to pasture. What complete asses. Merry Christmas!


37 posted on 12/23/2013 11:14:06 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

Asses are protected species in both WA and WI. If George Washington were around, he would demand that that pitiful state change its name.


38 posted on 12/24/2013 8:51:03 PM PST by Theodore R.
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