Skip to comments.Mental health laws are trouble for Dems
Posted on 12/19/2013 7:27:19 AM PST by Former Fetus
Instead of always taking incoming fire, how about Republicans start sending some back? It's great that they stopped HillaryCare, but if they had actually fixed health care by forcing health insurance plans to be sold in a competitive free market, there would have been no opportunity for shyster Democrats to foist Obamacare on us.
It's fantastic that we caught the Boston Marathon bombers, but why don't Republicans fix an immigration system that brings foreign terrorists and mass murderers to our country? Let the Democrats explain why we couldn't make room for a Danish surgeon because we needed another Chechnyan terrorist.
And it's terrific that Republicans have managed to block sweeping gun bans after every mass shooting over the past few years -- opposition to new gun restrictions has more than doubled since Newtown -- but how about they actually do something to stop the next mass murder?
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but how about they actually do something to stop the next mass murder?
I agree we can and should do better, but I also believe that the only way to really stop mass murderers would mean removing the last civil liberties left to us.
They all were committed by visibly crazy people, known to be nuts but not institutionalized.
Of course! Only a nut would go on a killing rampage... it is like saying that all bank robberies are committed by robbers (which should be in jail, by definition)!
Mental illness was blindingly clear in the cases of [...] Maj. Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood)
Only if you agree that Islam is a mental illness, which wouldn't go very well with a large number of Americans.
To avoid hurting Muslims' feelings, everyone has to strip to his underwear at the airport
Wrong! Everybody knows that Muslims cannot be selected for extra security measures.
Overall I understand Ann's point and agree with most of it, but it doesn't help the cause when she writes things that make you stop reading and ask "did she really write what I think she wrote?"
Answer: Because the Democrats are in control. DUH!
Oh, I don't know, Ann, maybe because some Republicans and Republican commentators have supported people like Chris Christie and Mitt Romney who spend all their days trying to reach across the aisle and live in dread and fear of being cast as anti-Latino.
Really, Ann? I enjoy reading your commentary, but you are being far too hypocritical on this point, like someone who may try to claim they are a virgin and yet dated someone like Bill Maher.
I'm not convinced of that. There weren't mass imprisonments back in the 50's when such laws were in force.
Only if you agree that Islam is a mental illness, which wouldn't go very well with a large number of Americans.
Muslims are not participants in the social contract that is the Constitution because they have every intent to negate it. They are undeserving of its protections.
I like it!!!! Tea Party stuff for sure... Mainstream Republicans lack backbone to do this - but Tea Partiers will have no problem with it...
Good point---we know terrorists and other mental defective turds, gather at the Mexican border b/c it's so easy to stroll into the US unimpeded---and get on the US gravy train under multiple identities using stolen SS nos.
Americans are forced to finance our own destruction.
Should be, for if such laws were in place all liberals and most Democrats would be in mental institutions.
The conventional wisdom around here by many is that the GOP should do complete zero on immigration because any bill they pass in House, no matter how good, will be completely changed to a huge amnesty bill and sent to Obama’s desk.
It also assumes that if all bills are blocked that nothing will get to Obama’s desk.
"We don't needs ideas, all we needs is 'NOs' "
yep, most of those types are in the White House, Congress and the Media.
Of course! Only a nut would go on a killing rampage... it is like saying that all bank robberies are committed by robbers (which should be in jail, by definition)! -----------------------------------------------------------
Actually, they were all literally "visibly" crazy and had been acting out and getting weirder for some time before they acted out their violent plans.
It is extremely hard to get help for the mentally ill, especially when they don't want help and don't recognize their own illness. They pretty much have to commit a crime first.
The problem is that sometimes their first crime is beyond the pale rather than just assaulting a family member or getting shoot by cops for wandering through traffic.
I don’t know if Nidal Hasan is a good example if this or not, but there are plenty that are. A lot of the crimes are not big bloodbaths but one-no one assaults that may not kill anybody but are still plenty inconvenient for the victim. I cited an example on another thread of a woman who was assaulted and fairly seriously injured in front of her 6 year old. In another a baby was punched by a stranger. At that writing they didnt know if the baby was permanently damaged. Pay more careful to the police and crime stories in your town or city and you will notice this stuff. Invariably the person has heard voices telling them somebody was possessed or something.Not to mention all the civility and nuisance issues of having people sleeping, urinating, defecating, etc. in parks, bus shelters, and other public spaces. A cities response may be to remove bus shelters and seats, which of course punishes the law-abiding elderly and disabled. I could write a book. Why do you think that cities like Seattle have become so unpleasant to visit especially if you use public transportation?
In the 80s Frank Adams had a long series in the Great Falls Trubune about abuses in the involuntary commitment system. He cited at least one case where it had been abused for political purposes (in Montana, though it was more common in the former Soviet Union)and Americans are deathly afraid of this especially because in the movies the mentally ill are often romanticized(see Madness in the Streets by Rael Jean Isaac) And there’s always the possibility of people being commited by agendized spouses or family members. But as with the Death penalty, child protective services or other touchy legal issues, we will have to do the best we can.
To many, being a conservative and/or a Christian is a sign of mental illness.
The so called mental health industry is also ran by a lot of madmen. Just look at the recent attempts to make pedophilia normal.
“Should be, for if such laws were in place all liberals and most Democrats would be in mental institutions.”
In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.
In 1963 a radical left wing communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.
In 1975 a two wing radical Democrats fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States in separate acts of mental illness.
In 1981 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan.
In 1984 James Huberty a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherril a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
In 1990 James Pough a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Asbrook a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
In 2003 Douglas Williams a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech .
March 2010: John Patrick Bedell shot two Pentagon security. A right-wing extremist, media asked? (A registered Democrat and 9/11 Truther.)
In 2011 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The pot smoking Loughner killed 6 and wounded 18 in another liberal shooting tragedy.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a Colorado movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
On 9/16/2013, another mentally ill liberal, Aaron Alexis, killed 12 innocents at the Navy Yard in Washington DC.
12/14/2013 Karl Pierson entered Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Co. armed with a shotgun with intent to kill one of his teachers. He shot Claire Davis, a senior, @Arapahoe High in the head. Yes, Pierson is/was another mentally ill liberal punk.
We could go on, but you get the point, even if the media and the anti gun pyschos in Congress do not.
Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats having guns or being around them.
No NRA members, No Tea Party members, or No Republican conservatives are/were involved.
Political correctness and leftist policies are to blame in these mass shootings:
If Seung-Hui Cho had been institutionalized for mental illness, 32 people would still be alive at Virginia Tech.
If Jared Loughner had been institutionalized, 6 would be alive in Tucson.
If James Holmes had been institutionalized, 12 lives spared in Aurora, CO.
If Adam Lanza had been institutionalized, 26 would still live in Newtown, CT.
If Nidal Hasan had been properly reported, investigated, and discharged from the Army, 13 would not have died at Ft. Hood.
If we really want to improve safety, keep criminals in jail, terrorists out of the U.S., and people who are mentally deranged in institutions.
Again, It should be illegal for any Democrats to own guns or be around them.
If you dig into the Nidal Hassan story, he was indeed displaying behaviors that should have resulted in treatment and removal from duty, but his superiors and co-workers were afraid of PC accusations of racial or religious discrimination, so nothing was done until he went full terrorist/psycho meltdown.
The best bet is not direct federal involvement, except for encouraging the individual states to set up large *regional* mental health care facilities. The federal courts would have to be limited in how much they could interfere with such operations, and they would need tight legal controls either for admission, or release from such facilities.
To start with, a legal scale of mental illness would have to be established, that is a *lot* different from the criteria used by the American Psychiatric Association’s DSM-5 manual, which horribly over-defines mental illness.
A patient would first have to be recommended at the local level by a private psychiatrist, a county hospital psychiatrist, or a few other sources, after a personal diagnostic evaluation. Then their case would have to be re-diagnosed at the state level by a state psychiatrist; and finally re-diagnosed at the regional facility. Once admitted, their state of mental health would be reviewed semi-annually or annually. This means they would likely be reviewed by at least a dozen psychiatrists independently from each other.
To be released, they would need to go through each of these levels in reverse.
The regional centers would be subdivided into five parts: administrative, research, mental patients who might eventually be released, those who will likely be institutionalized for the rest of their lives; and finally a confinement part, for those convicted of dangerous crimes or who represent a potential for harm to themselves or others.
Yes, I know that he had disturbing things on his email signatures or something and you’re right, that should have resulted in some sort of disciplinary action. But a lot of the other people we’ve mentioned would have been candidates for involuntary commitment.
We had a case here in Germany recently, where a guy was committed by his wife, with the approval of the local judge to a mental facility...for at least eight years.
The problem was that he came around to discovering his wife (who was a big player in some local business) was screwing over folks. He committed about this, and the wife got the idea that she could prove he was stressed out (he may have been a bit stressed), and needed long-term institution care. What ended up happening...was permanent, not a six-month rest period.
So he fought against the system, and found there was virtually no way to get out. Someone eventually picked up his case...brought it up to public light (with media help), and a lawyer got him free. The judge who signed off? Nothing yet? The wife? Simply under investigation...she may never spend a day in jail.
This shocked Germans to a fair degree...normal level-headed guy, sent off to a nut-house. So there’s talk of making one or two steps even more difficult than it was before.