Skip to comments.New Mexico Supreme Court: Same-sex marriage legal
Posted on 12/19/2013 10:40:05 AM PST by Alter Kaker
SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) New Mexico's highest court has legalized same-sex marriage, declaring it is unconstitutional to deny a marriage license to gay and lesbian couples.
The state Supreme Court issued its ruling Thursday. New Mexico joins 16 states and the District of Columbia in allowing gay marriage.
Eight of the state's 33 counties have started issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples since August, when a county clerk in southern New Mexico independently decided to allow the unions.
(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.com ...
NM has always been majority Democratic but there was a mixture of conservative Democrats and "progressive" Democrats. Now most are of the latter type. And I think a disproportionate number of eastern libs (living on Daddy's or family trust funds) and western libs (California and Hollywood types) moved into Artsy-Fartsy Santa Fe. I suspect many of the western libs brought their gay lifestyle with them.
this is the wrong forum for vote counting.
We know Kennedy is the 5th vote. Don’t try to figure it out. Some things on FreeRepublic simply do not make sense arithmetically.
i aint read the whole article yet .. but what is missing is the process for NM voters to amend their constitution ... the only way to deal with this decision.
I know it won’t get thru the legislature ... but the pro-gay reps can be voted out.
It seems certain that the decision will be final. Perhaps some of the state legislators can be voted out now ... but unlikely much of an effort will be undertaken to do that. The backlash will be minimal.
“The Democratic-controlled Legislature repeatedly has turned down proposals for domestic partnerships for same-sex couples and a constitutional amendment that would have allowed voters to decide whether to legalize gay marriage. Measures to ban same-sex marriage also have failed.
Sen. William Sharer, a Farmington Republican who opposes gay marriage, has said a constitutional amendment will be needed to resolve the issue regardless of the outcome of the court case.
The Flora Vista-based Voices for Family Values said its members already are gathering signatures for petitions to present to lawmakers during the upcoming session in January.”
Yea Kennedy, another liberal appointed by another republican, this time Ronald Reagan.
I wasn't vote counting. I know the above.
I was just saying that just because we don't like Roberts decision on Obamacare mandate doesn't mean we should claim that he ruled for gay marriage as pro-gay Kennedy did, when we know he didnt.
Thats a completely different point.
It usually goes like :
“I just believe that marriage is ...”
or “Many people believe that homosexuality is ...”
And they use the term homosexuality which implies a state of being like race. That is surrendering under the guise of debating. They call 'sexuality' 'orientation'.
They no longer use the term ‘homosexual behavior’ to distinguish between people and actions. If people's 'sexuality' is really part of their being, like race or sex, then there is no real case against it.
That means the the fight is over and they just mouth the words to appease us.
To engage in sodomy is a choice. No one is born a sodomite. Lord, how many women have I known in my life that are shacking up with another woman, that was married to a man for years and had 5 or 6 children by him. All the sudden at age of 45 they realize they’re “lesbian”. Yea, they were really “born” that way. Nothing they can do about it. And I believe in the tooth fairy.
Republicans are not opposed to “gay marriage”. Conservatives are.
The leadership of the NY GOP helped push it thru.
The majority of rank ‘n file Republican voters opposed it.
same in CT.
Of course, no organized effort exists to stop the “Gay Marriage” movement. Not the GOP. Not the churches. lip service, yes. There were isolated instances in NY where GOP gay marriage Senators were primaried and defeated. Isolated.
In Iowa, there was an organized backlash. Nationally, there is no backlash. Accomodation and surrender.
I can agree with that except that conservatives ARE Republicans, like it or not.
True, Conservatives are the only Republicans that really oppose gay marriage but I find their arguments against it, the key weapon in a country where elections are key, are also lacking too.
I recall a decade or two ago when so-cons like Robertson and Falwell were smart enough to separate behavior and actions from types of persons.
And what is the intellectual basis for treating gays as if they were a separate race or sex , protected class?
Except Scalia you ever hear this questioned
Republicans, the organized party, have made a clear decision not to fight the marriage fight. Without institutions, all we have is ad hoc activity.
I don't exclusively blame the elected Republicans in the blue states, they get elected by those who buy the gay rights crap. If Dems took their jobs away it wouldn't have helped stop this.
I dont hear hear/read arguments against gay rights that are designed to convince others.
Democrats used the winning arguments : That these people were born this way and if we deny them marriage we are punishing them for who they are, like *we* did the Blacks, Jews,Hispanics, women, in history.
The few Republicans who argued against it just argued : "Well, I believe that ..."
That will not win.
I do think a lot of the problem is due to the fact our side blindly accepts the "born this way" BS that they came out of the womb attracted to other men's butts and can never change that fact.
I talked to some "open lesbian" the other day who had been loudly championing gay "rights" for all the years I've known her, now apparently she's fallen for some guy, gotten pregnant, has "gone through a lot of changes" and is "no longer gay". Of course she's pissed when I brought up the "born that way" BS and tried to talk to her about it. Civil rights, my @$$. You don't see black guys turn into asians one day.
Supposedly bright legal minds who graduated from law school and sit on a state High Court essentially declare that language is unconstitutional. It is unconstitutional to recognize that a man cannot be a wife, and a woman cannot be a husband. Marriage is the union of a husband and wife - that has nothing to do with denying "rights", "discrimination", etc. - therefore it is simply language - simply reality - that they be a man and a woman. However, adhering to the basic concept of language is unconstitutional and therefore illegal. The government has the power to redefine something it did not create or define to begin with - as authoritarian as you can get.
That's interesting considering these same people don't believe you are a certain gender based on how you are born - you can fully developed male genetically and anatomically but really be a woman trapped inside of that body.
Gay men might be a different story, evidence seems to point to a genetic factor (like there's a genetic factor for any number of mental diseases, I say so what) but facts seem to bare out that most lesbians go lesbian because they have been abused by men or are at worst actually bisexual.
Your pal may have always thought chicks were hot and figured she was a lesbian with peer pressure reinforcing this. She probably suppressed every natural attraction to a man she's ever had in order to fit in with her lesbian clique. Lesbians strongly hate women that play both sides of the fence because they all fear their GFs will leave them for a man.
Yes, we’re talked about this before.
Our side (even the “good people”) rarely offerers any counter argument beyond a religious appeal (which is completely non-effective on anyone who is not religious).
“I believe it’s wrong” or “The bible says it’s wrong”. Isn’t gonna change anyone’s mind. Certainly not now.
Meanwhile the left utilized an effective propaganda operation designed to emotionally appeal to people who may not care so much about this stuff.
You gotta fight fire with fire.
back in 1963, the barna research group found 2/3 of americans believed in absolute truth. in 1993, only a third believed in truth. i suspect the number is even lower now. w
when people turn away from absolute truth, then they will believe anything.
Let’s be accurate. They have changed the definition of the word “marriage” to make it mean something it has never meant, in order to weaken the institution of marriage.
Actually, the left talks freedom, pushes tolerance, until they have control over the halls of legal power, then they rule with an iron, intolerant fist. We are just about there now. With the pirate Roberts placed over the subPreme Court, the end is now visible for the dying We The People Republic.
The whole thing is a mental disorder, period.
I’ll also add that unattractive wimmin “turn” dyke - the ones back in HS and college that couldn’t give it away. The ones I had pegged are on Facebook these days with their “spouse” or “life partner”
Yes, that would be a great argument for us to make, instead of more sniping at “the faggots”, which only reinforces the standard meme.
2010 midterms was a backlash year. Voters voted against Dems and many voters who elected Obama didnt turn out.
I know there were more than a few here who claimed that the many of the same Americans who elected Obama and the Dem 2009 congress suddenly because Rush *conservatives* but that silly
2014 will be similar, a backlash year. Not voters coming out for Republicans. Many who voted in 2012 will stay home in 2014,, I wont draw conclusions about 2016 from that either.
Ronald Reagan did a lot to further liberalism though people thought he was “conservative”.
Hopefully you are not trying to argue what two talk radios hosts do, that all state electorates are the same, Texas and Massachusetts are both the same, the only difference between the tow is that most Mass. vote stay home every election day for the past 30 years (since Reagan) because they are waiting for a Ted Cruz to be a MA Senate candidate.
So they sat home and let a Liz Warren be elected but as soon as a Ted Cruz is nominated as Senator (in Mass.) they will come out again.
I hear them tell their listeners this and wonder who is dumb enough to buy it.
Voters (most citizens) in NY, NJ and MA are completely different than in Texas or Alabama.
so we have anarchy and chaos due to some who think having sex with asses and feces or pretending to be a guy with a strap on is normal.
It’s a sham marriage and they know it no matter how many times they pretend they are accepted .
“Voters (most citizens) in NY, NJ and MA are completely different than in Texas or Alabama.”
now i am perplexed ... if we had known the voters in CT were so completely different, we wouldn’t have wasted our time electing so many new Republicans to the state house since ‘08 ... which races are we supposed to concede? Esty CT-5? Himes CT-4? Are we to lobby the state house GOP to be supportive of gay marriage?
is John supposed to come out in favor of repealing DOMA?
I think it is ok if conservatives run for office up here in loopy-liberal land ... isn’t it?
You pinged me complaining that elected Republicans in blue (lib) states didn't take the lead in arguing against gay marriage, and I replied that given their liberal voters that elected them I was not surprised that they didn't.
You know you couldn't argue against that so you posted stupid dishonest stuff like :
“now I am confused. You are calling for some Republicans to run on gay marriage? so which states do you want us to support gay marriage in? “
Make up your own straw man and and knock him down, You are not the least bit serious.
perplexed???? That surprises you??
You thought that its just an accident that Ted Cruz ran and won in Texas? You thought it could of just as easily been CA?
Break out of your fantasy world then.
DOMA has been overturned by the SCOTUS 5-4 Einstein’
So wheres the evidence that he made opposing gay marriage his number 1 issue in CT?
OPPS here's what his website says
More importantly, the people in the 50 states can determine how they want their marriage and/or privacy laws to operate the federal government should play no role in these decisions outside of the established federal Constitutional boundaries.
What??? You mean letting gays marry the same sex?
You are one of the most dishonest freepers that pinged me in a long time.
I hate to break it to him but two queers can hump each other up the Hershey highway until doomsday and they will NEVER conceive a child. It's kind of a no-brainer that one...
nope, doesnt work that way, as with any sin, there is a choice to be made...even if it was a hereditary trait, which would seem odd, being that it requires hetero sex to pass it to the next generation, the choice could and should be made to repent and not do it anyways...
they could choose to NOT to participate, just as i should avoid pre-marital or any other sexual sin too...
and yes, there are still some people that 'wait til theyre married' , as they should according to Scripture...
i think "queer" is a better term, which simply means unusual...
well over 50% of the population is disgusted by butt stuffers, making the few percent of those who choose to do so, "queers"...
the marriage relationship is supposed to reflect the Glory of The Lord and His plans, the Design being a man and a woman, working together as one...
I think you could be Einstein, too, if you read up a little on the issue.
-Pete, the most dishonest Freeper
Another would-be S.F. is the now liberal Asheville, NC.
George Herbert Walker Bush defended the ACLU after he first criticized Michael Stanley Dukakis for being a “proud member” of the group.
The latest action in Utah by an Obama appointee as well as the SCOTUS decision on CA marriage (basically Kennedy) tells me that all is lost, that Obama’s judicial appointees now feel free to make up and impose the right to same sex marriage in all 50 states.
Recall that Obama claimed he was against gay marriage when he ran in 2008, and its judicial appointees who will force it on us.
And they will be appointed on 51 in Senate.
Another way to phrase it, were gays designed to be attracted to the same sex by God's hand, the way there are blacks and Asians who are born as difference races?
Because once you agree with that then you make God an accessory to the sin. Then it isn't sin.
“tells me that all is lost”
that is your private opinion. You are entitled to your private opinion. But the Pro-Marriage movement has not taken that position.
The Marriage groups have not announced that “all is lost”.
Once again you ignore what I really wrote because that's inconvenient for you to reply to, as with all the others. You ONLY reposted few words of my sentence to sound relevant.
If you really disagree with what I posted (rather than just try to sound like you do) then tell me the plan to stop Obama judges from doing what that judge did in Utah, force gay marriage on the state?/
That is what you hit reply button to.
Hint : Posting here that you wont accept it doesn't change reality.
I posted : “The latest action in Utah by an Obama appointee as well as the SCOTUS decision on CA marriage (basically Kennedy) tells me that all is lost, that Obamas judicial appointees now feel free to make up and impose the right to same sex marriage in all 50 states.”
You haven't replied to one of those yet.
Your group??? Do they get newspapers, TV or the internet?
If not you better send them a telegram and tell them that the Gay activists are winning everywhere.
Hiding in a cave doesn't stop anything.
queers can NOT and should NOT be given a pass even if they claim to be 'born that way' any more than i should be given a pass for my sexual sin nature in having an internal SELF WILL to lust after wimmen...
all are required to repent and turn away from such sin...
the 'sexual revolution' simply began with allowing hetero sin, and the slope has always, in human history, degraded to the point we see today with queers being 'accepted' and 'tolerated' and eventually will be normalized and required if its allowed to made 'law'...
sounds way old school, i know, but sex is required by GOD to be reserved for marriage relationships, which was set in LAW with the first Man and his Wife in the Garden...
if queers or anyone else 'choose' not to believe, so be it, free will is a sharp sword that cuts us all to pieces without a Redeemer, called The Christ, whose Birthday is the 'reason for the season'...
Merry CHRISTmas guys, hope all are well in yer compounds...
You actually believe that being gay is a like race or sex like liberals claim?
You actually believe that their ‘sexuality’ and ‘sexual desire’ is the same as skin color and it is passed on by genes?
That this is Gods plan?
I cant accept that. Where is the proof?
So did Noah put two gays on the Ark before the Flood with all the other Kinds?
That’s not in my Bible