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New Mexico Supreme Court: Same-sex marriage legal
Seattle PI ^ | 12/19/2013 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/19/2013 10:40:05 AM PST by Alter Kaker

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — New Mexico's highest court has legalized same-sex marriage, declaring it is unconstitutional to deny a marriage license to gay and lesbian couples.

The state Supreme Court issued its ruling Thursday. New Mexico joins 16 states and the District of Columbia in allowing gay marriage.

Eight of the state's 33 counties have started issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples since August, when a county clerk in southern New Mexico independently decided to allow the unions.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.com ...


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To: Old Sarge
It appears that NM has experienced what PA did in the 80’s. The great exodus of Leftists from Noo Yawk and Joisey crossed the Delaware like illegals crossing the Rio Grande. They brought demands for their Socialist lifestyles, along with higher taxes and Leftist laws. As a result, PA went Left and never looked back.

NM has always been majority Democratic but there was a mixture of conservative Democrats and "progressive" Democrats. Now most are of the latter type. And I think a disproportionate number of eastern libs (living on Daddy's or family trust funds) and western libs (California and Hollywood types) moved into Artsy-Fartsy Santa Fe. I suspect many of the western libs brought their gay lifestyle with them.

51 posted on 12/20/2013 1:58:59 PM PST by CedarDave (Small town America - last stand for God, freedom, civility, and American values.)
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To: sickoflibs; NKP_Vet

this is the wrong forum for vote counting.

We know Kennedy is the 5th vote. Don’t try to figure it out. Some things on FreeRepublic simply do not make sense arithmetically.


52 posted on 12/20/2013 5:51:21 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: sickoflibs

i aint read the whole article yet .. but what is missing is the process for NM voters to amend their constitution ... the only way to deal with this decision.

I know it won’t get thru the legislature ... but the pro-gay reps can be voted out.


53 posted on 12/20/2013 5:53:50 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: sickoflibs; All

It seems certain that the decision will be final. Perhaps some of the state legislators can be voted out now ... but unlikely much of an effort will be undertaken to do that. The backlash will be minimal.

“The Democratic-controlled Legislature repeatedly has turned down proposals for domestic partnerships for same-sex couples and a constitutional amendment that would have allowed voters to decide whether to legalize gay marriage. Measures to ban same-sex marriage also have failed.

Sen. William Sharer, a Farmington Republican who opposes gay marriage, has said a constitutional amendment will be needed to resolve the issue regardless of the outcome of the court case.

The Flora Vista-based Voices for Family Values said its members already are gathering signatures for petitions to present to lawmakers during the upcoming session in January.”


54 posted on 12/20/2013 6:02:38 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Yea Kennedy, another liberal appointed by another republican, this time Ronald Reagan.


55 posted on 12/20/2013 6:25:14 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; NKP_Vet
RE:”this is the wrong forum for vote counting.
We know Kennedy is the 5th vote. “

I wasn't vote counting. I know the above.

I was just saying that just because we don't like Roberts decision on Obamacare mandate doesn't mean we should claim that he ruled for gay marriage as pro-gay Kennedy did, when we know he didnt.

Thats a completely different point.

56 posted on 12/20/2013 6:39:06 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: campaignPete R-CT; NKP_Vet; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; ...
What I find the MOST frustrating on this gay marriage issue is how Republicans *argue* against it, if they do.

It usually goes like :

“I just believe that marriage is ...”

or “Many people believe that homosexuality is ...”

And they use the term homosexuality which implies a state of being like race. That is surrendering under the guise of debating. They call 'sexuality' 'orientation'.

They no longer use the term ‘homosexual behavior’ to distinguish between people and actions. If people's 'sexuality' is really part of their being, like race or sex, then there is no real case against it.
That means the the fight is over and they just mouth the words to appease us.

57 posted on 12/20/2013 6:53:25 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

To engage in sodomy is a choice. No one is born a sodomite. Lord, how many women have I known in my life that are shacking up with another woman, that was married to a man for years and had 5 or 6 children by him. All the sudden at age of 45 they realize they’re “lesbian”. Yea, they were really “born” that way. Nothing they can do about it. And I believe in the tooth fairy.


58 posted on 12/20/2013 7:45:02 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: sickoflibs
"Thats a completely different point."

It's a point that won't be heeded here. people mostly cannot pick out the relevant facts in the newspaper article ...
59 posted on 12/20/2013 7:53:31 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: sickoflibs

Republicans are not opposed to “gay marriage”. Conservatives are.

The leadership of the NY GOP helped push it thru.
The majority of rank ‘n file Republican voters opposed it.

same in CT.

Of course, no organized effort exists to stop the “Gay Marriage” movement. Not the GOP. Not the churches. lip service, yes. There were isolated instances in NY where GOP gay marriage Senators were primaried and defeated. Isolated.

In Iowa, there was an organized backlash. Nationally, there is no backlash. Accomodation and surrender.


60 posted on 12/20/2013 8:29:44 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
RE :”Republicans are not opposed to “gay marriage”. Conservatives are.”

I can agree with that except that conservatives ARE Republicans, like it or not.

True, Conservatives are the only Republicans that really oppose gay marriage but I find their arguments against it, the key weapon in a country where elections are key, are also lacking too.

I recall a decade or two ago when so-cons like Robertson and Falwell were smart enough to separate behavior and actions from types of persons.

And what is the intellectual basis for treating gays as if they were a separate race or sex , protected class?
Except Scalia you ever hear this questioned

61 posted on 12/20/2013 8:59:16 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

http://massresistance.com/docs/gen2/13c/Hawaii-marriage-bill/lessons-learned.html

Republicans, the organized party, have made a clear decision not to fight the marriage fight. Without institutions, all we have is ad hoc activity.


62 posted on 12/20/2013 9:11:38 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; NFHale; Impy; Liz; Clintonfatigued; Perdogg; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”Republicans, the organized party, have made a clear decision not to fight the marriage fight. Without institutions, all we have is ad hoc activity.”

I don't exclusively blame the elected Republicans in the blue states, they get elected by those who buy the gay rights crap. If Dems took their jobs away it wouldn't have helped stop this.

I dont hear hear/read arguments against gay rights that are designed to convince others.

Democrats used the winning arguments : That these people were born this way and if we deny them marriage we are punishing them for who they are, like *we* did the Blacks, Jews,Hispanics, women, in history.

The few Republicans who argued against it just argued : "Well, I believe that ..."

That will not win.

63 posted on 12/20/2013 9:45:50 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs; Impy
>> Democrats used the winning arguments : That these people were born this way and if we deny them marriage we are punishing them for who they are, like *we* did the Blacks, Jews,Hispanics, women, in history. <<

I do think a lot of the problem is due to the fact our side blindly accepts the "born this way" BS that they came out of the womb attracted to other men's butts and can never change that fact.

I talked to some "open lesbian" the other day who had been loudly championing gay "rights" for all the years I've known her, now apparently she's fallen for some guy, gotten pregnant, has "gone through a lot of changes" and is "no longer gay". Of course she's pissed when I brought up the "born that way" BS and tried to talk to her about it. Civil rights, my @$$. You don't see black guys turn into asians one day.

64 posted on 12/20/2013 10:41:17 PM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: Alter Kaker
New Mexico's highest court has legalized same-sex marriage, declaring it is unconstitutional to deny a marriage license to gay and lesbian couples.

Supposedly bright legal minds who graduated from law school and sit on a state High Court essentially declare that language is unconstitutional. It is unconstitutional to recognize that a man cannot be a wife, and a woman cannot be a husband. Marriage is the union of a husband and wife - that has nothing to do with denying "rights", "discrimination", etc. - therefore it is simply language - simply reality - that they be a man and a woman. However, adhering to the basic concept of language is unconstitutional and therefore illegal. The government has the power to redefine something it did not create or define to begin with - as authoritarian as you can get.

65 posted on 12/20/2013 10:56:07 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: sickoflibs
That these people were born this way

That's interesting considering these same people don't believe you are a certain gender based on how you are born - you can fully developed male genetically and anatomically but really be a woman trapped inside of that body.

66 posted on 12/20/2013 11:01:10 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: BillyBoy; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj
I talked to some "open lesbian" the other day who had been loudly championing gay "rights" for all the years I've known her, now apparently she's fallen for some guy, gotten pregnant, has "gone through a lot of changes" and is "no longer gay". Of course she's pissed when I brought up the "born that way" BS and tried to talk to her about it.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Gay men might be a different story, evidence seems to point to a genetic factor (like there's a genetic factor for any number of mental diseases, I say so what) but facts seem to bare out that most lesbians go lesbian because they have been abused by men or are at worst actually bisexual.

Your pal may have always thought chicks were hot and figured she was a lesbian with peer pressure reinforcing this. She probably suppressed every natural attraction to a man she's ever had in order to fit in with her lesbian clique. Lesbians strongly hate women that play both sides of the fence because they all fear their GFs will leave them for a man.

67 posted on 12/20/2013 11:35:30 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: sickoflibs; campaignPete R-CT; BillyBoy

Yes, we’re talked about this before.

Our side (even the “good people”) rarely offerers any counter argument beyond a religious appeal (which is completely non-effective on anyone who is not religious).

“I believe it’s wrong” or “The bible says it’s wrong”. Isn’t gonna change anyone’s mind. Certainly not now.

Meanwhile the left utilized an effective propaganda operation designed to emotionally appeal to people who may not care so much about this stuff.

You gotta fight fire with fire.


68 posted on 12/20/2013 11:50:29 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; Viennacon; sickoflibs

back in 1963, the barna research group found 2/3 of americans believed in absolute truth. in 1993, only a third believed in truth. i suspect the number is even lower now. w


69 posted on 12/21/2013 5:30:08 AM PST by yongin
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To: yongin

when people turn away from absolute truth, then they will believe anything.


70 posted on 12/21/2013 5:32:56 AM PST by yongin
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To: Alter Kaker

Let’s be accurate. They have changed the definition of the word “marriage” to make it mean something it has never meant, in order to weaken the institution of marriage.


71 posted on 12/21/2013 6:46:13 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Impy
Our side (even the “good people”) rarely offerers any counter argument beyond a religious appeal (which is completely non-effective on anyone who is not religious).

“I believe it’s wrong” or “The bible says it’s wrong”. Isn’t gonna change anyone’s mind. Certainly not now.

Meanwhile the left utilized an effective propaganda operation designed to emotionally appeal to people who may not care so much about this stuff.


That's it exactly. We keep talking about the Bible, and the left talks about Freedom. In an increasingly secularized society, there's no contest there. We would know that if we stepped outside our echo chamber and engaged the outside world.
72 posted on 12/21/2013 7:53:47 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball

Actually, the left talks freedom, pushes tolerance, until they have control over the halls of legal power, then they rule with an iron, intolerant fist. We are just about there now. With the pirate Roberts placed over the subPreme Court, the end is now visible for the dying We The People Republic.


73 posted on 12/21/2013 7:58:09 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; sickoflibs; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj

The whole thing is a mental disorder, period.

I’ll also add that unattractive wimmin “turn” dyke - the ones back in HS and college that couldn’t give it away. The ones I had pegged are on Facebook these days with their “spouse” or “life partner”

...gag...


74 posted on 12/21/2013 8:04:36 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: MHGinTN

Yes, that would be a great argument for us to make, instead of more sniping at “the faggots”, which only reinforces the standard meme.


75 posted on 12/21/2013 8:29:26 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; BillyBoy
I don't exclusively blame the elected Republicans in the blue states, they get elected by those who buy the gay rights

what does any of this mean? In Conn., the House was 114-37 before 2010, so the elected Republicans barely existed. What Republicans got elected because they were pro-gay?

The DEMS got to 114 due to the following:
DEMS got re-elected 52% to 48% after voting along with the gay marriage agenda for several years ... in blue-collar middle-class districts with much opposition to gay marriage ... the GOP knew well that if they attacked these legislators in a mailing on the marriage issue, they could be beaten ... the half of the population that opposed gay marriage felt strongly about it and were angry ... and many are DEM voters ... and the half that supported gay marriage are largely ambivalent. The GOP state central and state party run out of Hartford, however, did not want to create a backlash against gay marriage ... they did not want to build their future on a foundation that included the religious right. In fact, there were a few instances, where the DEM incumbent had been 'no' on gay marriage and the GOP recruited an opponent who was pro-gay and attacked the incumbent on the issue!
76 posted on 12/21/2013 9:23:45 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; BillyBoy
RE :”what does any of this mean? In Conn., the House was 114-37 before 2010, so the elected Republicans barely existed. What Republicans got elected because they were pro-gay? “

2010 midterms was a backlash year. Voters voted against Dems and many voters who elected Obama didnt turn out.

I know there were more than a few here who claimed that the many of the same Americans who elected Obama and the Dem 2009 congress suddenly because Rush *conservatives* but that silly

2014 will be similar, a backlash year. Not voters coming out for Republicans. Many who voted in 2012 will stay home in 2014,, I wont draw conclusions about 2016 from that either.

77 posted on 12/21/2013 4:46:27 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: NKP_Vet

Ronald Reagan did a lot to further liberalism though people thought he was “conservative”.


78 posted on 12/21/2013 5:41:19 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; BillyBoy

Hopefully you are not trying to argue what two talk radios hosts do, that all state electorates are the same, Texas and Massachusetts are both the same, the only difference between the tow is that most Mass. vote stay home every election day for the past 30 years (since Reagan) because they are waiting for a Ted Cruz to be a MA Senate candidate.

So they sat home and let a Liz Warren be elected but as soon as a Ted Cruz is nominated as Senator (in Mass.) they will come out again.

I hear them tell their listeners this and wonder who is dumb enough to buy it.

Voters (most citizens) in NY, NJ and MA are completely different than in Texas or Alabama.


79 posted on 12/21/2013 6:27:34 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Alter Kaker

so we have anarchy and chaos due to some who think having sex with asses and feces or pretending to be a guy with a strap on is normal.

It’s a sham marriage and they know it no matter how many times they pretend they are accepted .


80 posted on 12/21/2013 7:19:50 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Alter Kaker
Most judges are just terrorists in black robes.And then there's the ACLU...a proudly Communist organization since its very founding.And lawyers wonder why they command less respect than do used car salesmen.
81 posted on 12/21/2013 8:05:08 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

“Voters (most citizens) in NY, NJ and MA are completely different than in Texas or Alabama.”

now i am perplexed ... if we had known the voters in CT were so completely different, we wouldn’t have wasted our time electing so many new Republicans to the state house since ‘08 ... which races are we supposed to concede? Esty CT-5? Himes CT-4? Are we to lobby the state house GOP to be supportive of gay marriage?

is John supposed to come out in favor of repealing DOMA?
https://www.shabanforcongress.com/
I think it is ok if conservatives run for office up here in loopy-liberal land ... isn’t it?


82 posted on 12/21/2013 8:26:09 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”now i am perplexed ... if we had known the voters in CT were so completely different, we wouldn’t have wasted our time electing so many new Republicans to the state house since ‘08 ... which races are we supposed to concede? Esty CT-5? Himes CT-4? Are we to lobby the state house GOP to be supportive of gay marriage?”

cute.

You pinged me complaining that elected Republicans in blue (lib) states didn't take the lead in arguing against gay marriage, and I replied that given their liberal voters that elected them I was not surprised that they didn't.

You know you couldn't argue against that so you posted stupid dishonest stuff like :

now I am confused. You are calling for some Republicans to run on gay marriage? so which states do you want us to support gay marriage in? “

Make up your own straw man and and knock him down, You are not the least bit serious.

83 posted on 12/21/2013 8:39:44 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE “Voters (most citizens) in NY, NJ and MA are completely different than in Texas or Alabama.”
.....
now i am perplexed ..”

perplexed???? That surprises you??

Its news?

Totally Shocked??

You thought that its just an accident that Ted Cruz ran and won in Texas? You thought it could of just as easily been CA?

Break out of your fantasy world then.

84 posted on 12/21/2013 8:43:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”is John supposed to come out in favor of repealing DOMA?”

DOMA has been overturned by the SCOTUS 5-4 Einstein’

So wheres the evidence that he made opposing gay marriage his number 1 issue in CT?

OPPS here's what his website says

More importantly, the people in the 50 states can determine how they want their marriage and/or privacy laws to operate – the federal government should play no role in these decisions outside of the established federal Constitutional boundaries.

What??? You mean letting gays marry the same sex?

You are one of the most dishonest freepers that pinged me in a long time.

85 posted on 12/21/2013 8:53:57 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: bunkerhill7
"NM Court Says Gay Marriage Constitutional Because Gays Can Responsibly Procreate and Raise Children Claiming that "same-gender couples are as capable of responsible procreation as are opposite-gender couples," the N.M. Supreme Court ...

I hate to break it to him but two queers can hump each other up the Hershey highway until doomsday and they will NEVER conceive a child. It's kind of a no-brainer that one...

86 posted on 12/21/2013 10:13:04 PM PST by Edward Teach
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To: sickoflibs
If people's 'sexuality' is really part of their being, like race or sex, then there is no real case against it. That means the the fight is over and they just mouth the words to appease us.

nope, doesnt work that way, as with any sin, there is a choice to be made...even if it was a hereditary trait, which would seem odd, being that it requires hetero sex to pass it to the next generation, the choice could and should be made to repent and not do it anyways...

they could choose to NOT to participate, just as i should avoid pre-marital or any other sexual sin too...

and yes, there are still some people that 'wait til theyre married' , as they should according to Scripture...

i think "queer" is a better term, which simply means unusual...

well over 50% of the population is disgusted by butt stuffers, making the few percent of those who choose to do so, "queers"...

the marriage relationship is supposed to reflect the Glory of The Lord and His plans, the Design being a man and a woman, working together as one...

87 posted on 12/22/2013 1:15:57 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: sickoflibs

I think you could be Einstein, too, if you read up a little on the issue.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/doma-isn-t-dead-yet-20130627

http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/06/26/finishing-job-doma-repeal-bill-reintroduced

-Pete, the most dishonest Freeper


88 posted on 12/22/2013 8:45:52 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: LaRueLaDue

Another would-be S.F. is the now liberal Asheville, NC.


89 posted on 12/22/2013 10:58:49 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Gay State Conservative

George Herbert Walker Bush defended the ACLU after he first criticized Michael Stanley Dukakis for being a “proud member” of the group.


90 posted on 12/22/2013 11:01:45 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: campaignPete R-CT
My take on that is it wont get a vote in the House at all, but we can count on Reid to put it up for a vote in Senate with predictable results.

The latest action in Utah by an Obama appointee as well as the SCOTUS decision on CA marriage (basically Kennedy) tells me that all is lost, that Obama’s judicial appointees now feel free to make up and impose the right to same sex marriage in all 50 states.

Recall that Obama claimed he was against gay marriage when he ran in 2008, and its judicial appointees who will force it on us.

And they will be appointed on 51 in Senate.

91 posted on 12/22/2013 7:13:35 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Gilbo_3
RE :”If people's ‘sexuality’ is really part of their being, like race or sex, then there is no real case against it. That means the the fight is over and they just mouth the words to appease us.”
.....
nope, doesnt work that way, as with any sin, there is a choice to be made...even if it was a hereditary trait, which would seem odd, being that it requires hetero sex to pass it to the next generation, the choice could and should be made to repent and not do it anyways...”

Another way to phrase it, were gays designed to be attracted to the same sex by God's hand, the way there are blacks and Asians who are born as difference races?

Because once you agree with that then you make God an accessory to the sin. Then it isn't sin.

92 posted on 12/22/2013 7:19:16 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

“tells me that all is lost”

that is your private opinion. You are entitled to your private opinion. But the Pro-Marriage movement has not taken that position.

The Marriage groups have not announced that “all is lost”.


93 posted on 12/22/2013 7:30:33 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (h2h? head-to-head)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
RE :”“.... tells me that all is lost, ...”
........
that is your private opinion. You are entitled to your private opinion. But the Pro-Marriage movement has not taken that position”

Once again you ignore what I really wrote because that's inconvenient for you to reply to, as with all the others. You ONLY reposted few words of my sentence to sound relevant.

If you really disagree with what I posted (rather than just try to sound like you do) then tell me the plan to stop Obama judges from doing what that judge did in Utah, force gay marriage on the state?/

That is what you hit reply button to.

Hint : Posting here that you wont accept it doesn't change reality.

94 posted on 12/22/2013 7:42:09 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: campaignPete R-CT
I didn't post : “tells me that all is lost”

I posted : “The latest action in Utah by an Obama appointee as well as the SCOTUS decision on CA marriage (basically Kennedy) tells me that all is lost, that Obama’s judicial appointees now feel free to make up and impose the right to same sex marriage in all 50 states.”

95 posted on 12/22/2013 7:44:36 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: campaignPete R-CT
RE :”that is your private opinion.”

You haven't replied to one of those yet.

96 posted on 12/22/2013 7:52:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: campaignPete R-CT
RE :”The Marriage groups have not announced that “all is lost”.”

Your group??? Do they get newspapers, TV or the internet?

If not you better send them a telegram and tell them that the Gay activists are winning everywhere.

Hiding in a cave doesn't stop anything.

97 posted on 12/22/2013 8:21:18 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; hiredhand
Another way to phrase it, were gays designed to be attracted to the same sex by God's hand, the way there are blacks and Asians who are born as difference races? Because once you agree with that then you make God an accessory to the sin. Then it isn't sin.

NOPE !!!

queers can NOT and should NOT be given a pass even if they claim to be 'born that way' any more than i should be given a pass for my sexual sin nature in having an internal SELF WILL to lust after wimmen...

all are required to repent and turn away from such sin...

the 'sexual revolution' simply began with allowing hetero sin, and the slope has always, in human history, degraded to the point we see today with queers being 'accepted' and 'tolerated' and eventually will be normalized and required if its allowed to made 'law'...

sounds way old school, i know, but sex is required by GOD to be reserved for marriage relationships, which was set in LAW with the first Man and his Wife in the Garden...

if queers or anyone else 'choose' not to believe, so be it, free will is a sharp sword that cuts us all to pieces without a Redeemer, called The Christ, whose Birthday is the 'reason for the season'...

Merry CHRISTmas guys, hope all are well in yer compounds...

98 posted on 12/23/2013 6:54:43 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; NFHale; hiredhand
RE :”queers can NOT and should NOT be given a pass even if they claim to be ‘born that way’ any more than i should be given a pass for my sexual sin nature in having an internal SELF WILL to lust after wimmen...”

You actually believe that being gay is a like race or sex like liberals claim?

You actually believe that their ‘sexuality’ and ‘sexual desire’ is the same as skin color and it is passed on by genes?

That this is Gods plan?

I cant accept that. Where is the proof?

99 posted on 12/23/2013 9:40:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Gilbo_3; NFHale; hiredhand

So did Noah put two gays on the Ark before the Flood with all the other Kinds?

That’s not in my Bible


100 posted on 12/23/2013 10:01:24 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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