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A&E not oppressing Phil Robertson with suspension
Mercury News ^ | 12/19/2013 | Tony Hicks

Posted on 12/19/2013 5:49:34 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic

I'm tired of people getting in trouble for expressing their opinions, popular or not. A person should say what they believe, and we should support their right to say it, whether we disagree or not. This is America. Then again, I don't own a company that depends on revenue generated by quirky Louisiana duck hunters, who look like ZZ Top and believe homosexuality is wrong and Southern blacks were a lot happier back in the good old days.

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From my own Mercury (marxist) News. Funny thing is I didn't know who Robertson was till yesterday. I had heard of the show but no idea about his background, bradshaw, etc.
1 posted on 12/19/2013 5:49:34 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

ROBERTSON FAMILY STATEMENT ON Duck commander website at 7pm

We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E’s decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.


2 posted on 12/19/2013 5:51:27 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

Ole Phil can say anything he wants. This is not a freedom of speech issue as A&E is not the gov’t and can take any action they want.

I hope and pray A&E pays dearly for this unfair action on their part.


3 posted on 12/19/2013 5:53:12 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: umgud

>> This is not a freedom of speech issue

It is certainly a freedom of speech issue.


4 posted on 12/19/2013 5:54:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: kcvl

I figured they would stick together. A&E made a big mistake.


5 posted on 12/19/2013 5:54:45 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

A classic bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoA53CYyIJA


6 posted on 12/19/2013 5:55:19 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: kcvl

as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty.

___________________________________________________________

What is there to discuss?


7 posted on 12/19/2013 5:55:32 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kcvl

That’s a terrific stand the family is taking. Screw A&E!


8 posted on 12/19/2013 5:56:24 PM PST by uncitizen (Obama said 'period', but he meant 'asterisk'.)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

My understanding is the family was already cheesed off at A&E because they added bleeps to simulate vulgarity.

I would like DD to be on a network that didn’t feel the need to try to paint good folks as vulgar.


9 posted on 12/19/2013 5:56:29 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: kcvl

That should be a post of its own.

Thanks for posting it.


10 posted on 12/19/2013 5:58:28 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: F15Eagle

“He ain’t from around here.”


11 posted on 12/19/2013 5:58:51 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Yep, that was hilarious.

Two non-working multicolored watches “for fashion”.


12 posted on 12/19/2013 6:00:25 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: kcvl

I cant find that you have a link?


13 posted on 12/19/2013 6:00:58 PM PST by Sophia777
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
https://www.facebook.com/Philrobertsonsupport

14 posted on 12/19/2013 6:01:06 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Gene Eric; umgud
>> This is not a freedom of speech issue

It is certainly a freedom of speech issue.

Actually, while I see it as a First Amendment issue, I do not see it as a speech issue as much as a religion issue and discrimination based on religion is illegal by an employer.

A&E was well aware of this family's deeply held religious beliefs and unless they had a clause in the contract forbidding interviews with other outlets, A&E is not going to come out the winner here.

15 posted on 12/19/2013 6:03:36 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: dragnet2

They already have the next season filmed, so the “suspension” is ludicrous. They’re probably discussing how to put an end to the show on that cable channel.


16 posted on 12/19/2013 6:03:48 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: McGavin999; kcvl
I figured they would stick together. A&E made a big mistake.

Liberals cannot fathom people who won't sell out their principles for money and power. After all, they do it all the time.

17 posted on 12/19/2013 6:03:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: donmeaker

I suspect there are quite a few networks who would love to get that show.


18 posted on 12/19/2013 6:05:51 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
A&E also has the right to decide whether they want to be associated with him and his opinions. Companies exist to make money, not to allow employees to chase away advertisers and customers. If you stood in front of your office tossing around similar "opinions," would you be surprised if your boss came out and told you to hit the bricks?

I've heard this wrong sentiment expressed on The Five tonight. If one goes to work and, when asked, say they believe homosexuality is OK, there is no repercussions. If one goes to work (in many places) and, when asked, say that they believe homosexuality is wrong, you stand a very good chance of being demoted, past over, or even fire (as Phil found out). This isn't expressing an opinion as much as being truthful about one's moral value.

Society can't deal with the truth because of coercion. And, yes, people have the right to boycott A&E. People have just as much right to decide who they're going to support with their money as companies have in worrying about their customer base.

19 posted on 12/19/2013 6:05:51 PM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
This writer puts Sodomy/Lesbianism in the same class as prejudice due to skin shade or epicanthic fold, or even gender. Choosing to be a pervert is not the same as genetic differences.

Sodomy is not sexuality. It is a choice of method of gratification in spite of genetic differences. It rejects one's body functionality, and rejects the plan of one's Maker.

This Robertson is likely quite righteous as well as being right; and the crudity of current social conventions is wrong, IMHO.

20 posted on 12/19/2013 6:06:04 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: umgud

It is the attempt of one group to punish and silence another for daring to have a different opinion. Sounds an awful lot like a free speech issue to me.


21 posted on 12/19/2013 6:07:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Gene Eric

Alot of people felt differently around here when it was tbe Dixie Chicks. But in this case the DD will come out on top.


22 posted on 12/19/2013 6:08:02 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: kcvl
IF we made two lists ...

One list things on TV that are offensive to traditional Americans...

And the other list of things offensive to elite liberals... how would that look??

Elite liberals have FOXNews on their list and this ONE issue.

Traditional Americans have all the networks, newspapers except one, and 99% of movies and TV shows.

Conservatives are told to 'change the channel' if they don't like the "F" word used for laughs, if they don't like shows with two moms for their kids... Or told they're provincial if they object to God's name being taken in vain or sit-coms filled with teen sex and young people living together... We can't even object to the endless shows where conservatives are made out to be stupid and evil...

Once again, liberal elites are closed minded bullies...and oh so offended if anyone gives them the smallest taste of their own medicine.

23 posted on 12/19/2013 6:13:19 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

.... This whole thing is quite simple really .... Basically .... A man was terminated from his job because of his religious beliefs. They should take it from there.


24 posted on 12/19/2013 6:17:21 PM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: donmeaker

I would like DD to be on a network that didn’t feel the need to try to paint good folks as vulgar.

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There are tons of info regarding the details of the show “Duck Dynasty” that
we don’t know. Who owns the show, contractual agreements, copyrights to name, etc.,
payments, number of shows per season, script approval, etc and many more.

That said if A&E can’t convince the Robertsons to stay onboard then they are
mostly going to be left with nothing but reruns, some stage props and a
name for marketing, but of what?

The Robertsons may be able to market themselves to another network for some type
spinoff depending upon their A&E contract. Who knows at this stage what is even
possible until the details are sorted out and the entities sit down and discuss
the potential for resolution.

Phil personally has been under no illusion as the life of the show. I read a quote
about him talking of a few years or so at best and it would be gone. I think used four
or five years. So who knows what his thinking was/is at this stage.


25 posted on 12/19/2013 6:19:54 PM PST by deport
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To: autumnraine

I think the difference in the Dixie Chicks situation is that the public punished them for their public remarks that they (the public) found obnoxious.

A & E, as the employer of Phil Robinson, punished Phil Robertson for expressing his religious beliefs publicly.


26 posted on 12/19/2013 6:20:24 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (No tag line today)
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To: kcvl
I have asserted all along that the Robertsons should issue an ultimatum to A&E: It is either all of them, or none of them. The show will not proceed, absent one of the Robertsons. For any amount of time.
27 posted on 12/19/2013 6:23:41 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

As a former La Tech alumni I knew who he was years ago not only as a football star but as a hunter evangelist. He would say he could always find a way to take people hunting and somehow connect ducks and Jesus. Phil has been at this a long long time and he won’t be cowed by A&E.


28 posted on 12/19/2013 6:24:18 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

“Southern blacks were a lot happier back in the good old days.”

prove it. Prove any of the the Robertsons said this. I call bullshit


29 posted on 12/19/2013 6:24:38 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: F15Eagle

I think we got one with mother issues! LOL!


30 posted on 12/19/2013 6:27:06 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: Gabz; autumnraine

The Left cannot trash the 1st Amendment in one fell swoop, so instead it marginalizes speech incrementally through its loyal agents well dispersed throughout the fabric of the Country.


31 posted on 12/19/2013 6:28:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I like the way he calls it off the set, too.


32 posted on 12/19/2013 6:28:43 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Gabz

It is not a freedom of speech issue. A and E has just as much a right to edit their own programming as Phil does to voice his opinion about gays.


33 posted on 12/19/2013 6:30:55 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: McGavin999

A&E is clueless to that culture. They insulted daddy. The rest of the family would never betray daddy.


34 posted on 12/19/2013 6:30:57 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Gene Eric
It is certainly a freedom of speech issue.

It's probably more of a contract law issue. I'm sure A&E has a contact with these folks, and it'll come down to what clauses are in it (if any) which might cover the cast's outside activities.

35 posted on 12/19/2013 6:30:59 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: cornfedcowboy

>> It is not a freedom of speech issue.

Like Hell it isn’t.


36 posted on 12/19/2013 6:34:07 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: umgud

They fired him for speaking the truth. May not be suppression, but it sure is stupid.


37 posted on 12/19/2013 6:38:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!! r)
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To: Sophia777

http://duckcommander.com/news/robertson-family-offical-statement


38 posted on 12/19/2013 6:39:07 PM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Gene Eric

Phil can say what he wants, A&E don’t have to agree with it OR put it on the air.


39 posted on 12/19/2013 6:39:35 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: cornfedcowboy

don’t=doesn’t


40 posted on 12/19/2013 6:40:46 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s unfair and dispicable.


41 posted on 12/19/2013 6:42:27 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: cornfedcowboy

Excuse me?


42 posted on 12/19/2013 6:42:56 PM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

If A&E can fire Phil for saying this, why can the bakery in CO not refuse to bake a cake for the lesbians?


43 posted on 12/19/2013 6:45:49 PM PST by Ironfocus
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

Is A&E required to air any and all opinions?


44 posted on 12/19/2013 6:47:55 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: autumnraine
Do you remember the Dixie Chick's record label dropping them, or people suggesting that? I recall people wanting to boycott their sponsors or not wanting them on other shows or concert venues, though. If the gay supporters here simply did that, the fuss wouldn't be much.

I really don't think your comparison holds, AutumnRaine. You really need to rethink your words.

45 posted on 12/19/2013 6:59:42 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: cornfedcowboy

It’s about fascism and its institutionalized constraints on speech. Less notable personalities are regularly persecuted and pay for expressing what we consider normal speech. This is indeed a freedom of speech issue.


46 posted on 12/19/2013 6:59:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: dragnet2
>> What is there to discuss?

Contractual obligations.

Ask Monty Python about them ...

47 posted on 12/19/2013 7:03:45 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

In the end WE decide. The Dixie Chicks learned that...this one may also show our feelings with a completely reversed situation.


48 posted on 12/19/2013 7:05:04 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it stood.)
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To: Cementjungle

Thanks. I’m not dismissing the contractual and Constitutional arguments. I’m instead speaking to the effective outcome of the agenda that’s making it difficult to publicly differentiate such things as the vulva and anus.


49 posted on 12/19/2013 7:05:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

So does this mean that I can now fire my employees for their religious beliefs? And better yet not hire them in the first place?


50 posted on 12/19/2013 7:06:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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