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Homeowner who shot dead drunk and disorientated car crash victim...WILL stand trial for murder
The Daily Mail Online ^ | December 20, 2013 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 12/20/2013 5:07:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Judge David Turfe said Detroit-area man, Theodore Wafer, made a 'bad choice' when he shot dead Renisha McBride through the screen of his front door in the early hours of November 2

Wafer, said he feared for his life and acted in self-defense but the judge rejected this argument Thursday

He will now stand trial for second-degree murder and manslaughter ....

Victim's family cried in court as the ruling was announced

Wafer, 54, called 911 around 4:30 a.m. and said he had shot someone who was banging on his door

Three hours earlier, McBride had crashed her car into a parked car in a residential neighborhood, about a half-mile away

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mcbride; renishamcbride; wafer

1 posted on 12/20/2013 5:07:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

People were allowed to wear pictures of the dead girl on their clothing in the courtroom. Yeah, this guy will get a fair trial /sarc


2 posted on 12/20/2013 5:14:47 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Uncle Chip

This won’t end well.


3 posted on 12/20/2013 5:21:34 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

It already hasn’t ended well. Now someone gets to face the consequences of his own stupidity.


4 posted on 12/20/2013 5:28:36 AM PST by stormer
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To: Uncle Chip
There is enough blame for everyone here. I am not exonerating anybody, but three parties made serious errors in judgement.

Regarding the homeowner, Theodore Wafer. You are a man, how much can you fear a 19 year old girl banging on your door at 4am? She is banging on the door, maybe she even ripped the screen door off. Maybe you should take a few deep breaths before you open the door and discharge the gun in her chest. If you are worried that she is a decoy, call the cops and hold her at bay, you can always shoot her later. This man did not act responsibly and is guilty of some kind of negligence.

Regarding the deceased. 19 years old and you are driving with a blood alcohol level of .22? And smoking dope? Then, you walk away from an ambulance and the scene of an accident. Then you wander around for three hours. If you want to drink that much, don't get into a car, don't go anywhere. She must share some responsibility for her actions.

Regarding the parents. Why was your 19 year old that drunk? The drinking age in Michigan is 21. Why was she driving a car that drunk? This could just as easily have ended with her killing one or more people with her car. Was this the first time she was drinking and smoking dope?

Plenty of blame to go around here.

5 posted on 12/20/2013 5:29:53 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Uncle Chip
Testifying for the defense, firearms expert David Balash said Wednesday he believes the screen in the outer door was out of its frame before the shot was fired, a theory that suggests McBride may have knocked it out of place and raised Wafer's fears.

A photo of McBride's legs taken by police showed her left foot had broken through the sole of her boot.

So this crazy underage drunk was banging on this man's door so hard that she broke the door AND her boot. I would have been in fear of my life, too.

Alas, with our current Marxist INjustice system McBride is assuredly going to rot in prison. I hope he gets put into protective custody since word will get around that he killed one of Obama's daughters.

6 posted on 12/20/2013 5:31:30 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Whoops. Wafer is going to rot in prison.


7 posted on 12/20/2013 5:32:19 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
You are a man, how much can you fear a 19 year old girl banging on your door at 4am?

It's quite possible that she has a few Trayvons with her hiding in the bushes, ready to swarm in when you open the door.

8 posted on 12/20/2013 5:32:33 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Uncle Chip

What would be the motive behind shooting a dead drunk and a disoriented car crash victim?


9 posted on 12/20/2013 5:35:27 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: Uncle Chip

Why did he shoot her if she was already dead? ;)


10 posted on 12/20/2013 5:41:12 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Uncle Chip

Get ready for Travon part II

If Obama had a dead drunk sister, she would look like Renisha...


11 posted on 12/20/2013 5:42:07 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Uncle Chip

Based on what has been reported so far, it appears to me the guy took some bad/foolish decisions both before and after the incident:

1) He is reported to have shot her through a ‘screen door’. Most house entrances which have screen doors also have a 2nd more sturdy and secure door (especially in places like Detroit). That being the case, one must ask why he opened the ‘main’ door if he feared whomever was outside his house.

2) He did not call the police before he opened the main door and confronted/shot the woman.

3) He made a statement to the police in which he claimed that he “accidently” pulled the trigger. This does not comport with a self-defense claim. One does “accidently” defend oneself. This statement will be used against him.

4) In actuality, he should not have said anything at all - apart from possibly answering inquiries with the phrase “I was in fear for my life” - prior to talking to his attorney.

Based on what has been reported about this incident so far, I think there is a pretty good chance he will be convicted of involuntary manslaughter; although negligent homicide is probably a more appropriate charge.


12 posted on 12/20/2013 5:43:23 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Uncle Chip

The Mail will be happy to front this sad story, but I doubt they will give equal treatment to a story about a life saved by defensive use of a private firearm.


13 posted on 12/20/2013 5:43:36 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Agree; no shortage of blame. For the life of me, if someone was banging on my door in the middle of the night, the last thing I’d do would be to open it. Why he didn’t just stay in the back of the house with his gun by his side is a mystery. If she managed to break the door down he could always shoot then. But to open the door??? All I can think is that he panicked.


14 posted on 12/20/2013 5:45:35 AM PST by Shannon
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To: WayneS

...Sorry...

“...one doe NOT “accidently” defend oneself...”


15 posted on 12/20/2013 5:46:02 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: carriage_hill

I would have sought a plea bargain to get negligent homicide or manslaughter. He would have likely been out of jail in under 1 year.


16 posted on 12/20/2013 5:46:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Uncle Chip
Wafer would be in a better position if he claimed fear and self-defense from the beginning. He didn't. He told the police that the gun just went off.

He only began using the fear and self-defense argument a day or two later, after consulting with his attorney.

17 posted on 12/20/2013 5:47:08 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Uncle Chip

The English “disorientated” has always sounded ignorant to me. The American “disoriented” is far superior, one of the few examples of our improving upon our mother tongue.


18 posted on 12/20/2013 5:47:09 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: autumnraine

Haven’t you ever heard of the phrase “dead drunk”?


19 posted on 12/20/2013 5:50:22 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Hot Tabasco

Especially through a door.

Funny how that brought gales of laughter when Joe Biden said it, yet some seem to think it was just great in this case.


20 posted on 12/20/2013 5:59:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

You’re right — this thing should be plea bargained out.

I’m thinking the guy may have been telling the truth when he said initially that he shot her accidentally.

Look at the Mossberg he used — the thing is barrel-heavy.

Imagine your right hand on the handle/trigger, then taking your left hand off the barrel as you reach to open the door. What’s going to happen as that barrel begins to drop — boom.


21 posted on 12/20/2013 6:01:07 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: cripplecreek

That makes the most sense, in light of what happened.


22 posted on 12/20/2013 6:15:53 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I would insist my attorney file countersuit that charges the drunk with suicide. The shooter in this instance probably saved lives.If not in the immediate context—in the near future.


23 posted on 12/20/2013 6:19:40 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Did you read the rest of the paragraph? I covered that.


24 posted on 12/20/2013 6:25:50 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: carriage_hill

I certainly wouldn’t want to face a jury and a prosecutor in this case.

I have a friend who was convicted of negligent homicide years ago. He got into a drunken fight with a friend and the friend hit his head and died. Fortunately the victim’s parents are good people and even testified on behalf of my friend who they said was like a second son to them. My friend was out of jail in under a year.


25 posted on 12/20/2013 6:30:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I think you can add to that two more:

The neighbors who saw the accident and just let her walk away without calling the police. Someone should have kept her at the scene since she was vbisibly injured and had hit several parked cars.

The police for not putting a BOLO out for her. The accident happened at 1:00 — had the police even responded to the scene??


26 posted on 12/20/2013 6:38:16 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Shannon
Why he didn’t just stay in the back of the house with his gun by his side is a mystery.

That is what I did when I heard my doorbell repeatedly ringing at 2 am and my garage door opening. I also called 911. I found out the next day that it was my neighbor who rang the doorbell to warn me that I had left my garage door open, then he closed it himself. He is a nice guy but not quite all there and obviously not a deep thinker. I told him thanks for the thought but that is a good way to get shot. No way would I open up a door if someone was knocking on it after dark, unless of course I was expecting them.

27 posted on 12/20/2013 6:44:07 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Uncle Chip

Looks like everyone involved in this was wrong.


28 posted on 12/20/2013 6:44:27 AM PST by Ditter
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All
Just as an aside.

I had an incident this summer. Now, I live in a suburb of a super safe community. 300,000 people and nobody gets killed by somebody they don't know. In fact the homicide rate is maybe one a year. I don't have a gun.

About 3AM one night I heard male voices outside. I saw the beam of a flashlight. The dog alerted and started barking like crazy. Instantly, I thought it was police or other emergency personnel, the neighbor is always being taken away by ambulance and someone with ill intent would not be making that much noise. Having made that determination, I rolled over and let the wife and dog handle it.

It was the police. I had inadvertently left the front entry door open to let the cool night air in. The screen door was closed and locked but they saw the entry door open and decided to investigate. After my wife assured them that there was no one there holding us hostage the front door was not kicked in and still worked, and we were all safe and nobody could get past fido anyway, they left.

Now, call me crazy, tell me I have a false sense of security, or just wonder where this kind of super safe community could exist. That's what happened. To add some context, I am older than the homeowner in the story and I live about 15 miles away from him.

29 posted on 12/20/2013 6:44:41 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Uncle Chip

I have trouble faulting the people who let her walk away. It doesn’t say whether they called the police or not. Somebody, obviously drunk, wrecks their car at 1am. Do you want to physically detain them? What you are doing might be the right thing to do for everybody, but you might be putting yourself at risk. Also, can you legally detain somebody like that?

See post 29.


30 posted on 12/20/2013 6:53:40 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Shannon
There are several negligent acts involved here. Why would you open the door, level the gun and blow her away? She wasn't coming through the entry door. Call the police. Yell through the door that you are armed and will shoot. Step back from the entry, if she somehow gets through the entry door, you can blow her away at a better angle.

But, to open the door and shoot? I don't know.

See post 29.

31 posted on 12/20/2013 6:58:51 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, this guy really screwed-up. This is MI; wonder if he’d be prosecuted if it were TX?


32 posted on 12/20/2013 7:13:14 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The judge said the defendant made a poor choice by bringing a gun to the door. EXCUSE ME???? At 4:30 in the morning, the defendant is wakened by the sound of his screen door being pounded on so forcefully that it nearly came off it’s hinges. And he’s not supposed to bring his gun to the door to see who’s attempting to breakdown it down!!!!!!!


33 posted on 12/20/2013 7:14:13 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: carriage_hill

Shoot someone through a door and you’ll be prosecuted pretty much anywhere including magical Texas.


34 posted on 12/20/2013 7:15:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Best not to open the door, then. Stay back and let ‘em break it down; then shoot.


35 posted on 12/20/2013 7:17:08 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

With all due respect to you and the neighborhood, if what she did happened anywhere around here she would not have left the scene.

She would be either driven to the hospital where police would be waiting or her parents would have been called but no one who had just crashed into two neighborhood cars and then totalled her own would be allowed to walk away from such a crash site bleeding and disoriented without someone intervening insistently.


36 posted on 12/20/2013 7:27:06 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I had an incident this summer. Now, I live in a suburb of a super safe community. 300,000 people and nobody gets killed by somebody they don’t know. In fact the homicide rate is maybe one a year. I don’t have a gun.

_____________

Sounds wonderful, where do you live????


37 posted on 12/20/2013 7:28:51 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: cripplecreek

I would demand a jury.

A jury member does not walk into court in a bubble that discounts life experiences and recent trends in crime.

Unfortunately, he will likely be convicted of involuntary manslaughter.


38 posted on 12/20/2013 8:13:58 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, according to the title, if the drunk was already dead, what harm was there?


39 posted on 12/20/2013 9:41:58 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: Uncle Chip
I think you conflated two of my posts. Detaining her would obviously have been the best course of action and would have stopped the tragedy.

Maybe race played a role here. Maybe the neighbors would have detained a 19 year old white girl but let the black girl go because of the present racial climate.

I cannot fault the neighbors that let her go.

40 posted on 12/20/2013 3:03:48 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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