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DECODING OBAMACARE: AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT
Vanity | 12/20/2013 | Self

Posted on 12/20/2013 5:46:03 AM PST by Nextrush

If anyone gets any relief from their financial burdens because of Barack Obama's latest cynical political move to tinker with Obamacare, I am glad for them.

I am also glad for all the grassroots people and the small group of authentically conservative elected officials like Senator Ted Cruz who have stood up to really oppose Obamacare.

I am not so glad for the business as usual politicians of Washington, the Democrats, the Republicans, Obama, Boehner, McConnell etc. etc. who never really opposed "healthcare reform" to begin with, but used the issue to play to emotions so they could win elections.

And above all, I am not so glad in any way, shape or form with the healthcare and health insurance industries and their lobbyists who bought the politicians to give us this fiasco to begin with.

When they realized the money was going out faster than they could take it in, those folks didn't ask their customers to pay higher prices. I guess they were afraid of the reaction they would get.

So instead they went to the politicians to use the power of government to force everyone to buy their services and to pay higher prices.

One of the first politicians they got on board was Republican Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, who signed off on a plan that forced everyone to buy health insurance at higher prices to benefit the healthcare industry.

Then they got Barack Obama on board to enact his liberal Democrat progressive version of "healthcare reform" to force everyone in the country to buy health insurance at higher prices to benefit the healthcare industry.

And they got the Republican leadership in Congress to take a position that Obamacare should not be stopped, it should be amended to create an interstate mandatory health insurance marketplace instead of an in state mandatory health insurance marketplace.

The GOP plan still gives the healthcare industry the increased cash flow from the pockets of the American people that they wanted all along, still using the power of government to shakedown the citizens.

This "healthcare reform" comes off as just more crony capitalism and business as usual politics no matter which way you cut it.

FOR THE MOMENT IT APPEARS OBAMA HAD MADE HIS LITTLE GAMBIT TO GIVE SOME TEMPORARY RELIEF TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SO HE CAN WIN THE ELECTION CYCLE NEXT YEAR, DISAPPOINTING THE SPECIAL INTERESTS THAT BOUGHT HIM, BUT HE MAY PLEASE THEM YET WHEN THE POLITICAL TIMING IS RIGHT.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: belongsinchat; corruption; notnews; obama; obamacare

1 posted on 12/20/2013 5:46:03 AM PST by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush
FORGET KEEPING CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS, THE OBAMAS ARE HELL-BENT ON SAVING HIS PRESIDENCY, AND HER POLITICAL (hello, Hillary) AMBITIONS In a spine- tinglingly creepy scene in the Oval Office, the Obamas lectured mothers on the need for indoctrination. Convincing young adults that they are not invincible is “our job as mothers,” the First Lady said. “Make it a Christmas treat around the table to talk about a little health care. Ring in the New Year with new O/Care coverage.”

"Frankly, its a big problem. Sasha and Malia say the
Sidwell school crowd would rather have unprotected
sex with Adam Levine than sign up for Obamacare."

2 posted on 12/20/2013 5:51:22 AM PST by Liz
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To: Nextrush
RE :”And they got the Republican leadership in Congress to take a position that Obamacare should not be stopped, it should be amended to create an interstate mandatory health insurance marketplace instead of an in state mandatory health insurance marketplace”

Bohner went along with the shutdown that was demanded of him over Obamacare funding, for over two weeks.
Unfortunately since Obamacare funding like social security and medicare are all exempt from shutdowns that didn't work. Obamacare stayed funded the whole two weeks.
Some of us knew about this ahead of time but Rush wasnt telling his listeners about it,.

It didnt defund Obamacare and ended up for nothing.

Government shutdown wouldn't stop Obamacare
AP ^ | 9/26/2013 | FR post

Why isn't Obamacare being shut down during the CR debacle?
Vanity - self | 10/10/2013 | FR post

Defunding Obamacare would defund Obamacare; but NOT DEFUNDING Obamacare is not FUNDING Obamacare
Washington Examiner ^ | 09/23/2013 |

3 posted on 12/20/2013 5:55:58 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Nextrush

With all due respect, I am not so one-sidedly against the Healthcare industry in this Obamacare disaster.

Actually, I find it difficult to believe that all this was initiated by healthcare industry lobbyists, myself. Don’t get me wrong - I don’t think the industry is solely complicit in this fundamental takeover, but that doesn’t mean that certain parts, certain companies and insurance providers didn’t participate in the legislation formulation process once they realized the Democrat Trifecta WOULD CERTAINLY implement some sort of universal care; a promise that they’d drooled over for their constituents for over 50 years or more.

This universal healthcare thing formally goes back to at least pre-1994 under HillaryCare. Without some sort of attribution in your article (links) that actually shows the healthcare and insurance industry originated this, I’d have to chalk it up to an opinion, as I have, and not news/activism.


4 posted on 12/20/2013 6:01:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Nextrush

Your basic argument hinges on the following statement:

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When they realized the money was going out faster than they could take it in, those folks didn’t ask their customers to pay higher prices. I guess they were afraid of the reaction they would get.
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Health Insurance companies losing money pre-Obamacare? Looking for an Obamacare bailout? Do you really have any evidence of that?

My theory: Single Payer is the Dems Holy Grail. Obamacare is the path to that goal. But it would put these same Insurance Companies out of business while enshrining Obama in the Dem Hall of Fame as the man who finally pulled it off.

Why would the Insurance Companies support such a plan?


5 posted on 12/20/2013 6:01:15 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: sickoflibs

The problem here is the mandated higher priced health coverage that the GOP leaders are content to allow happen in their interstate marketplace concept.

REVERSE OBAMACARE WITH NO MANDATE TO BUY COVERAGE FOR ANYONE.....

NO BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY...

NO CRONY CAPITALIST POLITICS FROM WASHINGTON OR ANYWHERE ELSE TO USING THE POWER OF GOVERMENT TO FAVOR BUSINESS INTERESTS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.....

Can we agree on such notions?


6 posted on 12/20/2013 6:02:29 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Gaffer

Mitt Romney spoke of “freeloaders” using the system when he talked about Romneycare in the 2012 campaign. He was saying people needed to pay into the system by being forced to buy insurance.

This is a replay of the auto insurance industry getting government to force everyone to buy car insurance back in the 1970’s and 80’s.

Hillarycare was 1990’s, but the problems leading to Romneycare and Obamacare are in the last decade.

Its most definitely about the money flowing out faster than it was flowing in.


7 posted on 12/20/2013 6:08:30 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush
RE :”The problem here is the mandated higher priced health coverage that the GOP leaders are content to allow happen in their interstate marketplace concept.”

Are talking about some specific GOP proposal? (beyond all those house repeal votes they took?)

8 posted on 12/20/2013 6:08:58 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: InterceptPoint

However you feel, look at my post #6.

Is that something you can agree with me on?


9 posted on 12/20/2013 6:10:21 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush

I don’t think your car insurance argument translates over to healthcare, myself. For instance, there are many states where one can have a surety bond of a certain amount (say $25K) in lieu of insurance. In my state, this has been true since I started driving 45 years ago

Regardless, I don’t see how the inflow/outflow result flows to the assumption (at least from what I see in your post) that the healthcare industry and healthcare insurance industry are the initiators of what we have now.

IOW, you have not convinced me


10 posted on 12/20/2013 6:15:49 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Nextrush

Obamacare is an incremental step toward single payer. Rats admitted as much.

Insurance companies went along because they saw the potential for millions of new customers. Wouldn’t you love to have a business that sold something people were FORCED to buy?

For their support, insurers lobbied and got the “risk corridor” provision which is a bailout, if it occurs.


11 posted on 12/20/2013 6:16:42 AM PST by randita
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To: Gaffer

Obama for political reasons could never admit that if it were true but he did use Romneycare as an example of where he was taking things and Romney spoke of the cash flow issue by referring to “freeloaders” in his discussion of the need for a mandate to buy health insurance.

The GOP leaders with their support for a mandatory marketplace across state lines to buy insurance and the industry themselves with their dismay at Obama’s relaxing of the mandate to buy coverage tell us what its really all about.

Its all about putting more money in the pockets of the health insurance industry.

In its mechanics of mandating everyone to buy insurance, cancelling existing lower cost insurance and replacing it with higher priced insurance, Obamacare is designed to put more money into the health insurance industry.


12 posted on 12/20/2013 6:24:08 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Gaffer; Nextrush; randita
RE :”I don’t think your car insurance argument translates over to healthcare, myself. For instance, there are many states where one can have a surety bond of a certain amount (say $25K) in lieu of insurance. In my state, this has been true since I started driving 45 years ago”

There is a Strong case to be made that Americans have the obligation to be able to pay with or without insurance for the mandates put on hospitals for THEIR OWN emergency hospital treatment, back under Reagan.

So that would be like mandated liability on auto-insurance.

Now that is not Obamacare

Sure Obamacare has a *personal* mandate, but the mandate is for all sorts of *prevention* but the policies can have very high deductibles leaving the hospitals screwed again.

And that mandate is a joke because the IRS is not allowed to collect it.

13 posted on 12/20/2013 6:29:45 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Nextrush; Gaffer
RE :Mitt Romney spoke of “freeloaders” using the system when he talked about Romneycare in the 2012 campaign. He was saying people needed to pay into the system by being forced to buy insurance

who??

Romney is out of the picture now.
He lost.

Who cares what he 'spoke of' ?

14 posted on 12/20/2013 6:34:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

Roll out the Obamacare Nightmare,
The Libs are havin’ a barrel of FUN!


15 posted on 12/20/2013 6:40:11 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Nextrush

“bailout”?

Try takeover!


16 posted on 12/20/2013 6:41:14 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Graewoulf
RE The Libs are havin’ a barrel of FUN!

You really think so?

I get the impression that they are terrified about what Obamacare is doing to Americans perceptions about the governments ability to make things better.
They see the same polls that FNC is showing.

Over at MSNBC they want to talk about ANYTHING ELSE but Obamacare :unemployment comp and Duck Dynasty

I think they are scared that Obama blew their dream

17 posted on 12/20/2013 6:44:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Nextrush

I don’t for a minute believe that Obama himself fretted over using the “Romney did it” excuse prior to the elections. He and his minions all agreed he himself couldn’t say it because of the campaign, but that did not stop his minions from doing it.

The truth is that this legislation got ramrodded through almost overnight, from inception to implementation was a matter of weeks. One does not put together over 2000 pages of legislation in a matter of days/weeks. PPACA WAS a compendium of liberal wet dreams formally going back to pre 1994 and before updated with the latest Obama cabal socialist influences, and RomneyCare was just a small part of it, in my opinion.

I don’t argue your assertions about how the GOP reacted, nor the effects PPACA ended up influencing on the healthcare and insurance industry. I only argue I don’t think either industry is responsible for ObamaCare’s origination as your article implied - to me, anyway.

To me, this whole line of discussion is more General/Chat related than a News/Activism discussion, especially with no corresponding recent links discussing same.


18 posted on 12/20/2013 6:47:14 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Liz
"Frankly, its a big problem. Sasha and Malia say the Sidwell school crowd would rather have unprotected sex with Adam Levine than sign up for Obamacare."

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Frankly, MICHELLE, maybe you should remove Sasha and Malia and find a faith-based school - a parochial school that has been vetted.

Please do not remove them for Homeschooling.

INSTEAD OF TELLING EVERYBODY ELSE WHAT TO DO, WHY DON'T YOU GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR CHILDREN'S SCHOOL TO MAKE IT BETTER.

HYPOCRIT - LEAVE US ALONE AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR BUSINESS ON A LOCAL LEVEL!!!

19 posted on 12/20/2013 6:53:39 AM PST by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: BenLurkin

Maybe it will be in the end, but for now it was designed to jack up the cash flow with mandatory buying of coverage by everyone that’s high priced, replacing lower priced coverage of some people that was cancelled.

HIGHER PRICED MANDATORY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE IS AT THE CORE OF THE OBAMACARE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. WHO WOULD GET ALL THAT EXTRA MONEY PEOPLE WERE SET TO PAY OUT AT THE START OF 2014? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES.


20 posted on 12/20/2013 7:05:16 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush

you obviously have a dislike for health insurance (which has always been heavily regulated and never allowed to function across state lines or any other free market concept) and health care in general. Too bad because most of your ideas or the pablum that the Clinton’s tried to push in the early 90s. Do not demonize an industry that was government created and regulated from early on. Health insurance is a direct result of unions demands and business capitulation.


21 posted on 12/20/2013 7:20:35 AM PST by Nifster
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To: sickoflibs; laplata; Jane Long; TheOldLady; SoFloFreeper; SoConPubbie; doug from upland; ...

The first purpose of Obamacare was to destroy Private Medical Insurance Industry in the United States of America.

Each time that Barry S. illegally changes his instrument of destruction, (Obamacare), the expense to the Private Insurance Companies go up.

Thus, Barry S. has a perfect ratcheting destruction mechanism to destroy the Insurance Companies, because he knows that for the next two years the RINOs will do NOTHING to stop him.

Hence, as more and more “problems” that Reid and Pelosi have built into Obamacare continue to be “discovered” by the gullible RINOs, the better it is for Obamacre to achieve its first purpose of destruction of the private Medical Insurance Industry.

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As Bolsheviks, Pelosi, Reid, Jarrett and Obama see the Insurance Companies as competition for their goal of controlling the flow of money from the buyers of insurance policies.

Hence, the basic Bolshevik desire “To Eliminate the Middle Man,” i.e. the Private Insurance Companies, starting with Medical Insurance Companies.

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The second purpose of Obamacare is to complete a Marxist takeover of all Medical Insurance payments, as Marxist Reid brazenly calls it “A Single Payer System.” [ Duh, aren’t ALL Communist Plans a single payor system?]

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As more and more Ponzi Schemes are required to continue to buy the votes for Democrat politicians, Bolsheviks Pelosi, Reid, Jarrett and Obama will need to Nationalize even more of the USA Economy.

With currently 40 % of the US Federal Annual Spending dependent on borrowing from strangers, (US Bonds), and 60 % projected to be spent per year within a decade, The Bolsheviks must have Obamcare fail soon so the other industries, such as the Oil and Gas Industry can become Nationalized.

There is a lot of “low-hanging fruit” for the Bolsheviks to pick, because the gullible Congressional RINOs will continue to help “their good friends across the aisle.”

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Roll out the OBAMACARE NIGHTMARE,
The Libs are havin’ a barrel of FUN!
Roll out the OBAMACARE NIGHTMARE,
The Libs have the RINOs on the RUN!


22 posted on 12/20/2013 7:44:24 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf
RE:”The first purpose of Obamacare was to destroy Private Medical Insurance Industry in the United States of America.
Each time that Barry S. illegally changes his instrument of destruction, (Obamacare), the expense to the Private Insurance Companies go up.”

But Obamacare bails out ~ 50% of their losses.

If the intent is bankruptsy then why do that?

23 posted on 12/20/2013 7:46:36 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

When was the ONLY time that Bolshevik Obama did NOT have strings attached to “bailing out” a decadent Capitalist Company?

Take your time. I’ll check back after New Years - - - .


24 posted on 12/20/2013 7:50:17 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf
RE :”When was the ONLY time that Bolshevik Obama did NOT have strings attached to “bailing out” a decadent Capitalist Company?”

You are moving away from your point that I refuted.

Why bail out companies if your whole plan is to close them down?

25 posted on 12/20/2013 7:54:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

My point is that Obama will use our tax dollars to lead Insurance Companies into the Briar patch of Federal Regulation Control (profits) until the margin of sustainable profit is so low that just one flu outbreak will bankrupt all but the Money Printing Presses of the Fed.

Communist must destroy Capitalism to win, and Obama has won every battle so far.

A failed Obamacare is essential to his Bolshevik plans.


26 posted on 12/20/2013 8:10:25 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf
RE :”My point is that Obama will use our tax dollars to lead Insurance Companies into the Briar patch of Federal Regulation Control (profits) until the margin of sustainable profit is so low that just one flu outbreak will bankrupt all but the Money Printing Presses of the Fed.

Michelle Bachman had the best idea so far.

Republicans stand should be to repeal all Obamacare regulations on insurance companies that are outside of the exchanges.

Then say that the regulated exchanges are an option for the insured and let Americans choose the one they want with their $$$.

27 posted on 12/20/2013 8:13:37 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Nifster

Business is not inherently evil, but the politicians and businesses do collude to create win-win situations for them like Karl Rove and the pharma industry did with Medicare Part D.

Rove spoke of “taking an issue away from the Democrats” for W’s 2004 re-election but what really happened also is that the pharmaceutical folks got bailed out of a PR problem (left-wing attacks on their prices) with taxpayer money and the national debt in play to help them.

It helped set the stage for Romneycare and Obamacare and TARP, the Obama 2009 bailout etc.


28 posted on 12/20/2013 2:07:49 PM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush

Can’t argue with the truth


29 posted on 12/20/2013 5:58:33 PM PST by Nifster
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