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Latest delay adds to chaotic rollout of Obama's health law
Yahoo News ^ | 20 Dec 2013 | Susan Cornwell and Roberta Rampton

Posted on 12/20/2013 10:17:38 AM PST by mandaladon

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The government's move to delay for some people a requirement to buy medical insurance raised new doubts about the already chaotic rollout of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law, just days before an enrollment deadline.

In another technical setback on Friday for the main website for enrollment, HealthCare.gov, U.S. officials said it would be down for a few hours to repair an error that occurred overnight.

The Obama administration said late on Thursday that people who have had their insurance plans canceled because of new standards under health policy reforms may be able to claim a "hardship exemption" to the requirement that Americans have coverage by March 31, or face a penalty.

While several million people have received policy cancellations, U.S. officials estimate that fewer than 500,000 would be affected by this delay in the so-called individual mandate. The mandate is a core part of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, commonly called Obamacare, that aims to provide coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

Republicans, who have opposed the health law all along as an unwarranted expansion of the federal government, quickly seized on the announcement as the latest sign that it is unworkable.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aca; obamacare
The administration especially needs a large number of healthy, young Americans to sign up, to offset the expense of insuring sicker consumers. Thursday's announcement also raises fairness questions, as it gives a subset of Americans relief from the requirement to buy insurance.................This is the major reason the law will fail.
1 posted on 12/20/2013 10:17:38 AM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

I wonder what the PJ dweebs will be saying at Christmas to their relatives already negatively affected by Obamnationcare


2 posted on 12/20/2013 10:19:36 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: mandaladon

How could this happen?


3 posted on 12/20/2013 10:19:50 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: mandaladon

Obamacare was enacted primarily to address the needs of all previously uninsured people. The latest poll found that among those uninsured 58% think that Obamacare is a bad deal for them. Confusing???


4 posted on 12/20/2013 10:20:02 AM PST by mandaladon (The truth about Benghazi is all I want)
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To: mandaladon

Republicans should SAY NOTHING

SAY NOTHING

refer all questions and comments to Jay Csrney


5 posted on 12/20/2013 10:21:33 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: mandaladon

80 % of voters opposed Obamacare in 2009, and The TEA Party was born.

Now the RINO Establishment has agreed to fund Obamacare for the next two years, thanks to the backstabbing efforts of RINO Ryan.

It will be a pleasure to do battle with the RINO Establishment, because they only represent the low information RINO voters.

The High Information REPUBLICAN voters might want to ponder the following:

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Obama NEEDS Obamacare to fail, and fail soon!

Time-is-a-wastin’!

So far the design flaws that Bolsheviks Pelosi, Reid and Jarrett have deliberately put into Obamacare have worked to perfection: Obamacare will be “forced” to become a Single Payor System within a year!

Ponder this:

The first purpose of Obamacare was to destroy Private Medical Insurance Industry in the United States of America.

Each time that Barry S. illegally changes his instrument of destruction, (Obamacare), the expense to the Private Insurance Companies goes up.

Thus, Barry S. has a perfect ratcheting destruction mechanism to destroy the Insurance Companies, because he knows that for the next two years the RINOs, thanks to RINO Ryan, will do NOTHING to stop him.

Hence, as more and more “problems” that Reid and Pelosi have built into Obamacare continue to be “discovered” by the gullible RINOs, the better it is for Obamacre to achieve its first purpose of destruction of the private Medical Insurance Industry.

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As Bolsheviks, Pelosi, Reid, Jarrett and Obama see the Insurance Companies as competition for their goal of controlling the flow of money from the buyers of insurance policies.

Hence, the basic Bolshevik desire “To Eliminate the Middle Man,” i.e. the Private Insurance Companies, starting with Medical Insurance Companies.

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The second purpose of Obamacare is to complete a Marxist takeover of all Medical Insurance payments, as Marxist Reid brazenly calls it “A Single Payer System.” [ Duh, aren’t ALL Communist Plans a single payor system?]

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As more and more Ponzi Schemes are required to continue to buy the votes for Democrat politicians, Bolsheviks Pelosi, Reid, Jarrett and Obama will need to Nationalize even more of the USA Economy.

With currently 40 % of the US Federal Annual Spending dependent on borrowing from strangers, (US Bonds), and 60 % projected to be spent per year within a decade, The Bolsheviks must have Obamcare fail soon so the other industries, such as the Oil and Gas Industry can become Nationalized.

There is a lot of “low-hanging fruit” for the Bolsheviks to pick, because the gullible Congressional RINOs will continue to help “their good friends across the aisle.”

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Roll out the OBAMACARE NIGHTMARE,
The Libs are havin’ a barrel of FUN!
Roll out the OBAMACARE NIGHTMARE,
The Libs have the RINOs on the RUN!


6 posted on 12/20/2013 10:23:22 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

the gop-e vichy leadership is doing their best to prop up obamacare. at the same time declaring war against conservatives to shut the hell up and takign a cue from liberal socialists, incite violence against us (punching us in the nose, eh bitch mcconnell?)...

fother muckers genuinely don’t want it to fail. They don’t mind it being unconstitutional. They don’t mind it poking into everyone’s lives.


7 posted on 12/20/2013 10:26:58 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: mandaladon

I invented a name for pajama Boy...P.J. O’Dork!

(I’m here all week)


8 posted on 12/20/2013 10:28:36 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: mandaladon
Obamacare was enacted primarily to address the needs of all previously uninsured people.

I'm not too sure about that. I believe the insurance companies were in complete agreement with Obamacare because they seen a way to make billions. I feel that no matter how hurt the Americans have been, King Obama will bail out the insurance companies like the Auto industry. Get ready for a couple of trillions be handed to the insurance companies and still no insuring the millions for health care.

9 posted on 12/20/2013 10:29:28 AM PST by Logical me
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To: mandaladon

Who needs congress when you can make up your own laws on the fly?


10 posted on 12/20/2013 10:31:39 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Logical me

The insurers are co-cospirators in this mess. The Dems get more power and the companies get more money. A nice quid pro quo. Everyone makes out except the citizens.


11 posted on 12/20/2013 10:34:36 AM PST by Starboard
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To: silverleaf

Republicans should first say “WE TRIED TO WARN YOU about all of this, and they called US the liars”

Then refer them to Jay Carney


12 posted on 12/20/2013 10:38:25 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it. Period.)
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To: mandaladon
"The administration especially needs a large number of healthy, young Americans to sign up,"

Notice the focus is on Americans, not illegals, immigrants, Mexicans, citizens. ok.

Next, "healthy young" - Aren't 'children' under the age of 27 already covered by their parent's plan? Is obama focusing on orphans?

13 posted on 12/20/2013 10:39:33 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: mandaladon
If anyone signs up for Obamacare now they are suckers. Hold off long enough and everyone will get “hardship exemptions”. Get some catastrophic coverage. If you get long time issues then get OCare. No pre existing conditions. Starve the beast.

CC

14 posted on 12/20/2013 10:39:52 AM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: mandaladon

I got cancelled and I’m not buying in until something happens to make all this go away.


15 posted on 12/20/2013 10:41:17 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: mandaladon

Que the lawsuits. I have said from day one that 0zer0care will eventually die because of the class action lawsuits that will be filed against it. This is the one that will probably do it. Roberts twisted himself into knots to call 0zer0care a tax. The key to that is the mandate is “constitutional” because of the equal protection clause. But now the equal protection clause is violated because some people get exempted because they claim a hardship because they were cancelled. These hardship victims get a substandard plan at lower cost, or go without insurance AND avoid the fine/tax. But others that were cancelled, just like the hardship cases, BUT they get a govt. sanctioned full plan, at HIGHER costs. That’s unequal treatment under the law and a violation of the constitution. No way the courts let this little 0zer0 fix fly. Substandard catastrophic plans have to be made available for everyone, and the fine/tax mandate can’t apply, which would obliterate the law as Roberts interpreted it. Or everyone has to have standard govt. approved insurance, and the mandate is applied to everyone uniformly, the way Roberts originally interpreted it. I think 0zer0 really stepped in it this time.


16 posted on 12/20/2013 11:07:24 AM PST by SDShack (0zer0care = "The Final Solution" - Socialized Euthanasia Healthcare)
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To: mandaladon

Obama knows the 14th Amendment cases won’t make it to SCOTUS until 2017 at the earliest.


17 posted on 12/20/2013 11:09:38 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: mandaladon

> The government’s move to delay for some people a requirement to buy medical insurance

It’s a legal requirement except when it’s not.


18 posted on 12/20/2013 11:18:43 AM PST by BinaryBoy (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: mandaladon

>> Obamacare was enacted primarily to

confiscate liberty.


19 posted on 12/20/2013 11:30:55 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: BinaryBoy

“It’s a legal requirement except when it’s not.”

And that “requirement” depends upon the day of the week and the latest poll numbers.


20 posted on 12/20/2013 11:40:03 AM PST by FAA
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To: mandaladon

Doesn’t the “hardship exemption” give healthy young people a great excuse not to waste their money on these terrible plans? And won’t the ability of those fit customers to avoid overpaying for a product they neither need nor want make it even more likely that the lawless rollout of this evil law will fail?

I’m loving it.


21 posted on 12/20/2013 12:21:02 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: PATRIOT1876

It’ll be like Thanksgiving: If the little dweebs say one word about Obastardcare they’ll take a good one right across the lip from every adult in the room. They’ll line up for the chance.


22 posted on 12/20/2013 12:25:42 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: mandaladon

“that aims to provide coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.”

Actually, that would be “extort millions of uninsured Americans into buying coverage”.


23 posted on 12/20/2013 12:58:45 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: mandaladon

The Fed.gov is increasingly PATHETIC.


24 posted on 12/20/2013 1:24:15 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: mandaladon

Just day before yesterday, at the good-ol-boys round table salon and tea & crumpets society conducted at our local country propane and hay store, we were reviewing possible future scenarios regarding the devolution of obamacare and obama. I posited the following:

1. That if the Republicans would just twiddle their thumbs pretty much about everything for next 3-4 months, obamacare would become so unraveled that the Democrats would be forced to beg the Republicans to save them, and that regardless of any legislative changes that might thereby result in a bipartisan fashion, obama would veto it all, preferring to see the complete destruction of the medical system and the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, as well as the total destruction of the Democrat Party for at least two generations, rather than admit he was wrong about something.

2. That it was highly likely that obama would soon totally panic over the chaos wrought by obamacare and descend into utter lawlessness by attempting to govern completely by diktat, and that therefore there was also a reasonable probability that obama’s attempted dictatorship would eventually become so severe that Congress would be forced to initiate impeachment.

It would appear that this second prediction is now already starting to come true.


25 posted on 12/20/2013 3:39:28 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

Oh brother! No one, not even a GOP controlled Senate starting in 2015, will impeach this POSPOTUS.


26 posted on 12/20/2013 3:57:54 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: Republicanprofessor; American Constitutionalist; C. Edmund Wright; All

PING.


27 posted on 12/20/2013 7:29:07 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

Nazi socialism.


28 posted on 12/20/2013 7:43:48 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

And enthusiastically supported by the gullible, not the wise.


29 posted on 12/20/2013 7:45:31 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

The great deception..


30 posted on 12/21/2013 2:23:18 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Graewoulf

Introduced to them something that is not what it is represented to them, like the serpent telling Eve that she can have it all, only IF ?


31 posted on 12/21/2013 2:25:00 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: All
FORGET KEEPING CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS, THE OBAMAS ARE HELL-BENT ON SAVING HIS PRESIDENCY, AND HER POLITICAL (hello, Hillary) AMBITIONS In a spine-tinglingly creepy scene in the Oval Office, the Obamas lectured mothers on the need for indoctrination. Convincing young adults that they are not invincible is “our job as mothers,” the First Lady said. “Make it a Christmas treat around the table to talk about a little health care. Ring in the New Year with new O/Care coverage.”

TRANSLATION "Frankly, its a big problem. Sasha and
Malia say the Sidwell school crowd would rather have
unprotected sex with Adam Levine than sign up for Obamacare.

32 posted on 12/21/2013 5:13:27 AM PST by Liz
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To: All
.....insurers calculated premiums on the expectation that relatively healthy folks already buying insurance privately would be buying on the O/Care exchanges. The insurers are not happy about Obama's latest delay --- the 14th, thus far----announced Friday before he flew off to Hawaii. Insurers will probably ask for more money via O/Care's cockamamie “risk corridors” provision......

That means taxpayers will subsidize more and more of this boondoggle:

<><> insurance companies,

<><> those hustled onto Medicaid (the O team ditched the Asset Test),

<><>subsidies for enrollees who "say" it's unaffordable,"

<><>BIG BUCKS for little-used state exchanges, AND,

<><> $$hundreds of millions for Michele's dumbo Princeton pal's flopola website.

33 posted on 12/21/2013 5:20:00 AM PST by Liz
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To: Logical me
I'm not too sure about that. I believe the insurance companies were in complete agreement with Obamacare because they seen a way to make billions. I feel that no matter how hurt the Americans have been, King Obama will bail out the insurance companies like the Auto industry.

I partly disagree. The insurance companies are complicit in the deal, but Obama has no love for them, and he isn't a trustworthy partner in political crime. The insurance companies, unlike the auto companies, are not unionized.

However, Obama still needs them. There is no other way to channel payments to providers from a cash pool that is currently operative. So, he'll hold them hostage through the law they helped him create, but likely kill them later in a push for single-payer, if he can.

34 posted on 12/21/2013 6:24:46 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks mandaladon.


35 posted on 12/21/2013 6:37:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“... So, he’ll hold them hostage through the law they helped him create, but likely kill them later in a push for single-payer, if he can.”

How familiar that sounds. Rings of the same pejorative “Useful Idiots” that Lenin and Stalin laughingly called their sympathizers and those who helped them achieve absolute power... then executed them.


36 posted on 12/21/2013 6:49:53 AM PST by Bellagio
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To: mandaladon
[. . . the main website for enrollment, HealthCare.gov, U.S. officials said it would be down for a few hours to repair an error that occurred overnight.]

The error occurred about 53 years ago when Barack Obama Sr. failed to practice birth control.

37 posted on 12/21/2013 2:57:35 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: mandaladon

The administration especially needs a large number of healthy, young Americans to sign up, to offset the expense of insuring sicker consumers.


How can they afford health care given the lack of opportunity for young people in the Obama Depression.

And it is a Depression - Obama is just covering up our economic crisis by borrowing fifty cents of every dollar the government to pay unemployment and welfare payments to the unemployed.

Obama stated his administration with an economic crisis that he has not turned around and nor will he not turn around because of his destructive policies.

He will leave the US deeper in crisis than when he came into office and leave the country bankrupt to boot.


38 posted on 12/21/2013 10:02:27 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: catnipman
That if the Republicans would just twiddle their thumbs pretty much about everything for next 3-4 months, obamacare would become so unraveled that the Democrats would be forced to beg the Republicans to save them


If the Republicans twiddle their thumbs for 3-4 months the Democrats will find a way to stick the blame for the whole mess on them.

Democrats are spending less than1% of their time fixing ObamaCare and 99+ % trying to figure out how to blame the Republicans, Insurance Companies, Greedy Rich people, the Tea Party or whoever else they can dream up to deflect blame from themselves

39 posted on 12/21/2013 10:25:36 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

Gonna be kinda tough for the Democrats to dodge ads like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYyMMs-WO4U

And every one of them will have one like this jammed down their throats 24x7.


40 posted on 12/22/2013 8:01:25 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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