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Sickened by service: More US sailors claim cancer from helping at Fukushima
FoxNews ^ | Dec 20, 2013 | Perry Chiaramonte

Posted on 12/20/2013 11:27:33 AM PST by FR_addict

When the USS Ronald Reagan responded to the tsunami that struck Japan in March 2011, Navy sailors including Quartermaster Maurice Enis gladly pitched in with rescue efforts.

But months later, while still serving aboard the aircraft carrier, he began to notice strange lumps all over his body. Testing revealed he'd been poisoned with radiation, and his illness would get worse. And his fiance and fellow Reagan quartermaster, Jamie Plym, who also spent several months helping near the Fukushima nuclear power plant, also began to develop frightening symptoms, including chronic bronchitis and hemorrhaging. ...

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"... Japanese government knew radiation was being leaked and did not inform the U.S. Navy."
1 posted on 12/20/2013 11:27:34 AM PST by FR_addict
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what does that mean... ? The freaking plant went meltdown almost immediately and it was world wide news, how can anyone say they didnt know?


2 posted on 12/20/2013 11:30:20 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: FR_addict

>> “... Japanese government knew radiation was being leaked and did not inform the U.S. Navy.”

Hard to imagine the US didn’t know.


3 posted on 12/20/2013 11:32:34 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: FR_addict

Think I would have been asking for a dosimeter before going ashore...


4 posted on 12/20/2013 11:35:07 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: FR_addict

I would think that the USN would have radiation detectors that were always “on”.


5 posted on 12/20/2013 11:35:12 AM PST by NathanR
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To: Gene Eric

“Hard to imagine the US didn’t know.”

A nuclear aircraft carrier would have radiation detection equipment. I can’t imagine the captain didn’t deploy it and get a running report on conditions. So, it would be the US Navy that didn’t inform the crew.


6 posted on 12/20/2013 11:36:01 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: FR_addict

Something is strange here. The carries are designed to detect radiation and crew members were sampled.


7 posted on 12/20/2013 11:38:11 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: FR_addict

The Reagan is a nuclear-powered ship. It has hundreds of trained nucs in its engineering department, including a Chem/Radcon Division (or two) full of Engineering Laboratory Technicians. If the ship didn’t send some ELTs along with the other sailors to monitor radiation levels, then the command is negligent beyond imagination!


8 posted on 12/20/2013 11:40:04 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: FR_addict

“The officers and crew of the U.S.S. Reagan (CVN-76) and other vessels believed that it was safe to operate within the waters adjacent to the FNPP, without doing the kinds of research and testing that would have verified the problems known to the defendant TEPCO at the time.”

horse pucky. The US government and the US military have the responsibility to do our OWN testing for the safety of our OWN people. Not wait for some Japanese company to give them “test” information.

Our intel community knew what was happening, or should have. We have strategic assets to track radiation incidents. The US Navy has some of the best nuclear experts in the world...they didn’t know...or suspect.... bupkiss?

We should find out what stupid obamite State Department or Pentagon forkwad ordered those people into that situation so rapidly and incautiously, as if the US navy is the world’s 9-11 or meals on wheels. At a minimum our personnel should have been given iodine pills to protect their thyroids

and they should have been given the TRUTH and follow up care within days of our government CERTAINLY knowing full well what had happened and was happening, and what they had been exposed to.


9 posted on 12/20/2013 11:43:42 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: FR_addict

One of the few groupss trained to be around Nuclear power and energy is duh, the US Navy. It would seem this is in the realm of the 9/11 health claims.


10 posted on 12/20/2013 11:45:20 AM PST by Theoria (Obama lied. My health care died.)
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Japanese government knew radiation was being leaked and did not inform the U.S. Navy."

Are you suggesting our government and the Navy didn't know anything about the radiation?

11 posted on 12/20/2013 11:56:03 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Alaska-Airlines-Flight-Attendants—150127485.html


12 posted on 12/20/2013 11:59:50 AM PST by Therapsid (I am NOT the psychological warfare MASCOT.)
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To: dragnet2

I have a hard time believing the navy didn’t know that the water was radioactive.


13 posted on 12/20/2013 12:03:33 PM PST by virgil
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To: FR_addict

Hard to imagine a U.S. Navy ship doesn’t have some kind of radiation detectors on it too.


14 posted on 12/20/2013 12:07:40 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: FR_addict

A nuclear powered super carrier doesn’t test its water for radioactive contamination? Pathetic.


15 posted on 12/20/2013 12:10:26 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Therapsid

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/12/must-see-ominous-warning-china-showing-a-mushroom-cloud-over-europe-in-rover-pictures-video-wait-what-2472216.html


16 posted on 12/20/2013 12:15:22 PM PST by Therapsid (I am NOT the psychological warfare MASCOT.)
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To: Therapsid

What in tarnation does that have to do with this?

Is this an attempt to discredit those in the Navy who became seriously ill?


17 posted on 12/20/2013 12:17:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: silverleaf
horse pucky. The US government and the US military have the responsibility to do our OWN testing for the safety of our OWN people. Not wait for some Japanese company to give them “test” information.

Yes....but the sailors would have a tough time suing the US Navy...a private company is another story.

18 posted on 12/20/2013 12:18:12 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: dragnet2

Did you see my other post on this thread?

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Alaska-Airlines-Flight-Attendants—150127485.html


19 posted on 12/20/2013 12:21:18 PM PST by Therapsid (I am NOT the psychological warfare MASCOT.)
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To: Therapsid

What are you talking about?


20 posted on 12/20/2013 12:22:24 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Therapsid

Are you suggesting it was their Navy uniforms, not radiation which made some Navy personnel ill?


21 posted on 12/20/2013 12:24:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Born to Conserve

“A nuclear powered super carrier doesn’t test its water for radioactive contamination? Pathetic.”

The carrier and three of its helicopters detected low level radiation. The carrier was then moved away. It was 100 miles out to sea at the time.


22 posted on 12/20/2013 12:27:31 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: FR_addict

I wouldn’t worry. The U.S. has a stellar reputation of caring for it’s servicemen made ill by environmental factors concurrent to their duty. Agent Orange, Gulf War Syndrom...uh, nevermind.


23 posted on 12/20/2013 12:27:48 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Theoria

One year is a very short period of time to be seeing the effects of residual radiation. Something isn’t kosher, I bet the ambulance chasers met the ship the moment it got back to port.


24 posted on 12/20/2013 12:32:47 PM PST by pfflier
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To: pfflier

“One year is a very short period of time to be seeing the effects of residual radiation. Something isn’t kosher, I bet the ambulance chasers met the ship the moment it got back to port.”

The are saying it was in the water. However, it was detected in the air and the carriers were moved away. They were 100 miles offshore at the time. Hard to believe that there was any substantial radiation in the drinking water. They would not be taking in new water if in a cantaminated area.


25 posted on 12/20/2013 12:35:40 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: FR_addict

Not to worry, Sailors. Paul Ryan and Patty Murray introduced a new bill today to help you. They are going to take some of your pay and give it to make-believe pig farmers. It’s called THE DEMOCRATS MAKE PIGS OF THEMSELVES BILL. But you will get VA care.....in a few years.


26 posted on 12/20/2013 12:47:17 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: TexasGator

Where is the reports of the, I presume, hundreds or thousands of sick Japanese people who have been ridden with cancer?


27 posted on 12/20/2013 12:53:10 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: TexasGator
I believe the water on the carrier was distilled from seawater. The reactors must use ultra purified water. One site quotes

"Distillation plants provide 400,000 gallons of fresh water from sea water daily, enough for 2,000 homes

If the water is distilled radioactive impurities would be removed with other precipitates.

28 posted on 12/20/2013 12:53:54 PM PST by pfflier
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To: dragnet2

Guy....Its not uniforms that are making them sick...they fly every day though the jet stream....its rad poisoning.

If you read the article....their hair is falling out and they have bad skin rashes.

oh well


29 posted on 12/20/2013 12:54:16 PM PST by Therapsid (I am NOT the psychological warfare MASCOT.)
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To: pfflier

That’s what I’m thinking. The USS Reagan’s crew complement is around 5700. 50 members of the crew are reporting radiation related illnesses, which would be less than 1% of the crew. How does that percentage compare against the cancer rates of the general population?


30 posted on 12/20/2013 12:56:03 PM PST by kildak
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To: Therapsid

If you read the article....

We’re Sorry.
The page you are looking for could not be found.


31 posted on 12/20/2013 12:56:09 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Therapsid

This is what the title said...

Alaska Airlines *uniforms* sicken flight attendants

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Alaska-Airlines-Flight-Attendants—150127485.html


32 posted on 12/20/2013 12:58:38 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gene Eric

It certainly was the responsibility of the US navy to do its own monitoring wherever we sent our soldiers.


33 posted on 12/20/2013 12:59:33 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: FR_addict

Japan had a software program called SPEEDI which it said would be used in the event of a problem at a nuclear power plant. SPEEDI would continuous track weather conditions and, in the event of a disaster, calculate the direction of the radioactive plume(s) released by the power plant and predict toxicity of the plumes (how radioactive they were). When Fukushima reactors failed, SPEEDI produced projections but Japan never released them to the public saying much later “We felt we didn’t want to.”

For that reason, many people in the vicinity of Fukushima didn’t know where to go when the explosions were occurring so they headed North-West in hopes that this would bring them out of the direction of the radioactive fallout. They basically camped there in garages and anywhere they could for few days before government officials showed up and made them move from the location because of high levels of radiation. They had unknowingly headed in the exact direction of the plume and basically camped in the fallout because they had zero information from the government.

This apparently is what happened for the aircraft carrier which headed into a radioactive plume. The carrier would be able to detect radiation once within the plume but would not have been able to know that they were heading strait into it. Once the carrier knew it was detecting fallout, which way to head to get out of it and how fast does a carrier move? They may have had a hard time getting out of it and it might have been slow. Then the carrier ordered personnel to scrub the deck without sufficient protective gear, telling them it was safe. This isn’t unusual in disasters because it isn’t really feasible to keep radioactive decontamination going in close quarters - suits for everybody, radiation training for everybody, decontamination stations for workers etc.

If Japan had shared SPEEDI data (if that had “felt like it”) then their population would have known where NOT to go, as would the carrier. It was the whole purpose of SPEEDI. This happens alot in nuke “events”, when it comes down to it, the “protections” nuclear power plant operators promise the public are inadequate and then when something happens, they are not used (e.g., the local prefectures all had iodine for children (thyroid protection) but they were ordered not to distribute it to the public when Fukushima went boom) because it means the nuclear power operators have failed and are liable. So they didn’t distribute SPEEDI Data (the data looked too “bad” and they didn’t want the public to “panic”) and they ordered affected areas not to distribute emergency iodine to the children (one mayor did it anyway, against direct orders). TEPCO/Japan may have been afraid that if locals saw how bad the plume was, nearby Tokyo might want to evacuate. So any available tools to warn the public are then kept from the public to avoid “panic.”
The carriers knew cone they were receiving radiation fallout but once the ship is coated with fallout, I don’t know how well their sensers would help them know where to go to get clean air (the sensors would still be reading radiation from the fallout adhered to the ship) and they would have a hard time knowing how severe it is - there were 31 isotopes, according to the IAEA released at Fukushima and testing for this stuff is not always instant. There never seems to be an alternative to telling innocent people that they need to go clean this or that area (eg., schoolyard in Japan or the deck of a carrier) and assuring them it won’t hurt them. It’s unknown how it will affect them, someone needs to do it and it’s not feasible to carry and train with the “right” equipment, and there’s always the concern the public will “panic.” They may have ordered the deck scrubbed to help their radiation equipment by removing background “noise” so they could work on getting out or staying out of the plume(s). What surprised me is I read that the contamination made it into their drinking water. Is it that ships process wash water (showers) and are not equipped to remove isotopes so it wound up as drinking water?


34 posted on 12/20/2013 1:02:11 PM PST by ransomnote
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Its not uniforms that are making them sick...they fly every day though the jet stream....its rad poisoning.

You could be right, I dunno...But your link that actually works says, "There uniforms are making them ill"

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Alaska-Airlines-Flight-Attendants—150127485.html

35 posted on 12/20/2013 1:02:45 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: FR_addict

Any time little barry can screw over Americans one way or another, he’ll do it. Count on it.


36 posted on 12/20/2013 1:16:53 PM PST by onedoug
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To: B4Ranch

Japan met with representatives from Russia and later would report that the Japanese were “Learning The Lessons Of Chernobyl.” Note that the Soviets made it illegal for physicians to report any death as radiation related for the first 3 years after the explosion. So then Japan made it illegal for physicians in surrounding areas to see patients from Fukushima without prior authorization.

The lid has been kept on and has recently been formalized with new legislation )http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/12/ot-obama-administration-welcomes.html) to, among other goals, silence dissemination of information re health effects of Fukushima.

That leaves us with trying to wade through accounts that are not deemed “official” and that’s tough to do. We do know that thyroid cancer is several times the normal rate for children in the area but since Fukushima fallout doesn’t leave a marker on the thyroid, people are saying it’s just that detection is enhanced therefore finding thyroid cancer many times the normal rate is increased etc. In other words, “NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG!” But they won’t be able to keep the lid on forever. They seem to be trying the Chernobyl tactic of fading it from the public eye - note that many nuke apologists still insist there’s no proof that radiation is harmful etc. while the citizens of Belarus continue to suffer and die as a result. No the lid won’t stay on forever.


37 posted on 12/20/2013 1:17:26 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: FR_addict

If the story’s true, the Navy didn’t do the protective measures.


38 posted on 12/20/2013 1:19:55 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: FR_addict

Just in time for them to be medically retired and then find out their benefits were cut.


39 posted on 12/20/2013 1:38:20 PM PST by castowell (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: FR_addict

THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE!

Just ask all the pro-nuclear puff heads here on FR.

They will tell you that not one person has died or gotten sick from Fukushima. They will even tell you that Radiation is good for you.


40 posted on 12/20/2013 1:52:55 PM PST by Revel
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To: ransomnote

Not an unexpected reaction by one of today’s governments, is it?


41 posted on 12/20/2013 1:56:05 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

Sadly, No.


42 posted on 12/20/2013 2:03:32 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: kildak
The USS Reagan’s crew complement is around 5700. 50 members of the crew are reporting radiation related illnesses, which would be less than 1% of the crew. How does that percentage compare against the cancer rates of the general population?

It might be about right for a retirement home. But it is incredibly high for a crew of young, healthy people.

43 posted on 12/20/2013 2:04:03 PM PST by Greysard
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“If the water is distilled radioactive impurities would be removed with other precipitates.”

The sailors drink straight sea water. That is why they call them old salts.


44 posted on 12/20/2013 2:16:39 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Theoria
It would seem this is in the realm of the 9/11 health claims.

I agree. Just another lawyer trying to cash in, counting on the public's sympathy for service members, distrust of governments, and ignorance of acute radiation exposure, to get a piece of the TEPCO settlement.

45 posted on 12/20/2013 2:39:50 PM PST by aLurker
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To: pfflier; TexasGator

I have recently read about tritium - mass quantities associated with Fukushima and supposedly it’s the isotope for which no technology that can remove it from water exists.


46 posted on 12/20/2013 2:43:26 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
Then you must have read these facts:

1) Tritium readily forms water when exposed to oxygen.

2) As it undergoes radioactive decay, tritium emits a very low energy beta particle and transforms to stable, nonradioactive helium.

3) In a controlled environment, it can have a half life of 12+ years. In the open air or seawater would decay(oxidize) almost instantly.

When it does decay, it gives off a beta particle which is not ionizing ratiation.

47 posted on 12/20/2013 2:58:03 PM PST by pfflier
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To: ransomnote
Then you must have read these facts:

1) Tritium readily forms water when exposed to oxygen.

2) As it undergoes radioactive decay, tritium emits a very low energy beta particle and transforms to stable, nonradioactive helium.

3) In a controlled environment, it can have a half life of 12+ years. In the open air or seawater would decay(oxidize) almost instantly.

48 posted on 12/20/2013 3:04:27 PM PST by pfflier
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To: silverleaf

They can’t sue the government but they can sue the corporation


49 posted on 12/20/2013 3:16:44 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: TexasGator

HAHAHAHA....Water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink


50 posted on 12/20/2013 3:20:11 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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