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Vladimir Putin, Conservative Icon
The Atlantic ^ | Dec 20, 2013 | Brian Whitmore

Posted on 12/21/2013 6:35:03 PM PST by Innovative

The Russian president is positioning himself as the world's leading defender of traditional values.

Vladimir Putin is calling on the conservatives of the world to unite—behind him.

The Kremlin leader's full-throated defense of Russia's "traditional values" and his derision of the West's "genderless and infertile" liberalism in his annual state-of-the-nation address last week was just the latest example of Putin attempting to place himself at the vanguard of a new "Conservative International."

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: conservatism; putin; traditionalvalues
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It is a sad day indeed, when the president of Russia is the one defending traditional values, and the president of the US is trashing them...
1 posted on 12/21/2013 6:35:03 PM PST by Innovative
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To: All

for the last couple of years, joking aside, I’ve been trying to find where I disagree with putin.


2 posted on 12/21/2013 6:37:29 PM PST by willywill
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To: Innovative

Putin’s full of it, of course. He’s not “conservative” when he divorces his wife on the grounds of their not being married in a church. He’s not “conservative” when he has his enemies thrown from windows, people beaten in dark alleyways so that they can never walk again. He’s a killer and a thief, and nothing more.


3 posted on 12/21/2013 6:37:40 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Innovative

VP has more cred than Zer0.


4 posted on 12/21/2013 6:38:55 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Innovative

Putin is doing what is in Putin’s interest. Americans that look up to him are truly lost.


5 posted on 12/21/2013 6:40:08 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Innovative

Confusing times we are living in.

Conservatives used to support the police and hated the Russkies.

Now, many on the right loathe the police and voice support for Russian dictator Putin.

Really, I know Putin says he supports conservative values, but he is just a smart ex-commie.


6 posted on 12/21/2013 6:40:56 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Innovative

From an ex-KGB chief who thinks the biggest tragedy of the 20th Century was the death of the Soviet Union.

“Conservatism” doesn’t mean the same thing in Europe as here. Over there a traditional conservative means a statist.


7 posted on 12/21/2013 6:43:15 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Innovative
We probably know more about Putin's background then we know about Obama's


8 posted on 12/21/2013 6:44:22 PM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: willywill
Well, for starters he annexed Georgia. A few weeks ago he expanded state run media. And he stole the last election.

Putin is not a nice guy.

9 posted on 12/21/2013 6:45:04 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
Well, for starters he annexed Georgia.

No, he didn't!

10 posted on 12/21/2013 6:46:20 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: EEGator

“Americans that look up to him are lost”

Count me as lost. He kept us from starting another stupid Middle East war - in Syria. I suppose you’re sad we don’t have 50000 American troops there right now, which Obama was setting us up for.


11 posted on 12/21/2013 6:48:08 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: what's up

Homosexual marriage is more of threat to civilization than most of what our Homeland Security is spending/wasting its billions pursuing.

Putin is standing up against insidious moral degeneration. Whatever his inner motives, he’s on the side of civilization against barbarism when it comes to this core issue.


12 posted on 12/21/2013 6:50:38 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII
The Russian president is positioning himself as the world's leading defender of traditional values

Actually, it's the Church which is leading the defense of traditional values. I wonder what KGB Putin has to say about that.

13 posted on 12/21/2013 6:54:11 PM PST by what's up
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To: WilliamIII

So you find it impossible to not look up to Putin and be against military intervention in Syria?


14 posted on 12/21/2013 6:54:17 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Innovative

I’m not a fan, but I don’t think he hates or wants to kill the majority of Russians. That’s better than we’re doing over here.


15 posted on 12/21/2013 6:55:03 PM PST by The Toll
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To: EEGator

huh? make sense and I might answer.


16 posted on 12/21/2013 6:55:12 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: what's up

Putin’s been very supportive of the Russian Orthodox Church - and on the international scene has said he wants to defend Christians against Muslim persecution. When did you last hear that from Obama - or even from Bush before him?


17 posted on 12/21/2013 6:56:34 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

I do not look up to Putin.
I do not want our military involved in Syria.
Do you find it impossible for me to hold those two ideas at the same time?

P.S. That’s twice you’ve been a pompous ass with your replies.


18 posted on 12/21/2013 6:58:50 PM PST by EEGator
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To: what's up

Putie strongly supports the traditional European value of state sponsored religious monopoly.


19 posted on 12/21/2013 7:00:38 PM PST by Hugin
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To: willywill

They also have a nice flat tax in Russia:

‘Personal income tax (PIT) is levied individually normally at 13 percent. There is no joint filing. Employers withhold income taxes, thus the taxpayers whose only taxable income was paid by employer do not need to file a tax return—except to claim a refund for itemized deductions.

The most important deductions are for home purchase (once a life), and education and medical expenses. Deductions require documentation and are subject to limitations. Tax returns are mandatory for registered entrepreneurs and professionals (lawyers, notaries, etc.), sellers of personal assets and recipients of other income. Out of 10.4 million registered residents of Moscow, only 94 thousand filed tax 2006 returns and 105 thousand filed for 2007.[41] State pensions and alimony are normally not taxable, as well as bank interest (unless it exceeds the refinancing rate set by Central Bank of Russia).

Capital gains from asset sales are taxable only if the seller owned the asset for less than 3 years.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Code_of_Russia#Federal_taxes


20 posted on 12/21/2013 7:02:25 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: EEGator

If you really opposed war in Syria — I’ll believe you for the sake of argument — it wouldn’t make sense for you to diss Putin, because he’s the guy who stopped from happening. I can only surmise that you didn’t oppose it THAT much. Sorrry for my suspicions, but I have a hunch you oppose Putin precisely because he’s helping to deter the US from getting involved in more Middle East wars. Maybe I’m wrong about your real position, but a person can make inferences, it’s a free country after all.


21 posted on 12/21/2013 7:09:18 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: Innovative

22 posted on 12/21/2013 7:10:28 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: WilliamIII

You got me Sherlock.


23 posted on 12/21/2013 7:20:09 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Innovative

In desperate times people turn to leaders.


24 posted on 12/21/2013 7:21:12 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Innovative

Please people, lets get something straight. Putin was the head of the KGB. In the end, no matter what he says, he is not our friend. Let’s also keep in mind that for 70 years the official state religion of Russia was atheism. This guy is not the defender of the faith. He is a master of positioning himself. That is all.

While we may agree with him on his traditional values preaching and against gay marriage. We certainly disagree with his oppressing any peoples rights or persecuting them such as gays. The only thing I will compliment Putin on is that he is more of a man than our metrosexual President. Sad day indeed....


25 posted on 12/21/2013 7:23:14 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Innovative

He is not a “conservative” by our standards


26 posted on 12/21/2013 7:25:48 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue.”
- Francois de La Rochefoucauld

What’s better, a leader who publicly and privately embraces vice or a leader who espouses virtue but has vice in his private life, aka a hypocrite? American leaders, especially Democrats, practice the former, while Putin apparently lives the latter.

Culturally speaking, the civil society is hurt far, far more by leaders who encourage vice. Society can survive a few elites who live lives of debauchery, but we cannot thrive when debauchery becomes mainstream. So I’d argue Putin is a better leader even if he’s a hypocrite.

Granted. It would be best if we had virtuous leaders, but I’d settle for leaders who at least pay homage to morality in public rather than Democrats who encourage envy, greed, and lust as a means to their own power.


27 posted on 12/21/2013 7:39:10 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Democrats. The only constitutional rights they believe in are sodomy and abortion.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“So I’d argue Putin is a better leader even if he’s a hypocrite.”


You shouldn’t, since Putin is an enemy of our country and would rather see us all enslaved. He is just trying to get on our goodside so that, if a conservative President comes to power, we’ll look the other way as he continues to develop his nuclear forces for a potential conflict with us. Meanwhile, people are still being murdered, and his people suffer.


28 posted on 12/21/2013 7:42:46 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
He’s a killer and a thief, and nothing more.

Which is exactly why the Atlantic is trying to associate him with conservatives.

29 posted on 12/21/2013 7:44:19 PM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I think you’re oversimplifying things. Someone can be against current US policy without being our enemy. I don’t like nearly everything our dear president has done, and I don’t think our dear president’s policies are good for the nation either. Does that make me an enemy, too?

I think Putin has offered some pretty good advice on several issues. Do I think he’s a good guy? No. But I think you’re stretching if you claim Putin wants to see America destroyed and Americans enslaved. Frankly, we’re doing pretty good in that regard without Vlad’s help.


30 posted on 12/21/2013 7:56:26 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Democrats. The only constitutional rights they believe in are sodomy and abortion.)
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To: Innovative

Putin is trying to save his country.

Obama, Rats and many Republicans are destroying theirs. What they have done is infinitely more destructive than all of the “bad things” Putin has ever done.


31 posted on 12/21/2013 8:02:57 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

He was never the head of the KGB. He was an officer.

Bush #1 was head of the CIA.


32 posted on 12/21/2013 8:04:36 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: CitizenUSA

“But I think you’re stretching if you claim Putin wants to see America destroyed and Americans enslaved.”


Then you don’t know Putin very well. He’s still wishing for the good old days of Stalin. Religion to him is just a political tool, and the Russian Orthodox church has long been infiltrated and controlled by the KGB.

This is an example of naively accepting Russkie disinformation at face value. They’ve gotten you to think of Russia as no longer a threat.


33 posted on 12/21/2013 8:05:32 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
"Bush #1 was head of the CIA."

And your point? The CIA were/are the good guys, remember? They work for us. The KGB worked to undermine America and it's values. The same goal (I believe) that Putnin still has. He is a statist, pure and simple.
34 posted on 12/21/2013 8:09:23 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Innovative

and the simple answer is NO and HE$% NO… This murdering bastard is no conservative and I won’t follow him anywhere


35 posted on 12/21/2013 8:20:25 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

If Putin is an enemy of this country, why has he taken the right side on several international issues? Syria is one example. If Putin wanted to weaken us, wouldn’t it have been better for him to get us embroiled in the Syrian civil war?

I just don’t think it’s as simple as it once was during the Cold War era. I could be wrong, but you’ll have to offer more proof of Putin’s ill will toward Americans than simply claiming he’s out to see us enslaved.


36 posted on 12/21/2013 8:22:55 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Democrats. The only constitutional rights they believe in are sodomy and abortion.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“If Putin is an enemy of this country, why has he taken the right side on several international issues? Syria is one example.”


Syria is a proxy and client state of Russia. They buy their weapons, have a Russian base, and follow the dictates of Moscow. Little known fact, but the middle eastern conflict is largely the work of Russia itself. Arafat was working with the KGB, as were many terrorists around the world. Hence why the dissidents in Iran were shouting not just death to Ahmadinejad, but “Death to Russia!” as well.

“I just don’t think it’s as simple as it once was during the Cold War era.”


It’s as simple as it was during the cold war era. I recommend you involve yourself in the writings of the various KGB or other dissidents/defectors who have come over to us from Moscow. The Perestroika did not result in any communsits being brought to justice. They just rebranded themselves as capitalists and democrats, but are neither.


37 posted on 12/21/2013 8:27:59 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Compare Putin to our dear leader, President Obama. Putin advances Russian interests first and he at least pays tribute to morality in public. I’m not saying he’s a better person, a great guy, but I think he’s a much more effective leader than Obama. Frankly, we’re being led by an inexperienced clown. What’s so wrong about admiring certain aspects of Putin’s leadership? President Obama is a lesser order tyrant, too, except he doesn’t have any of Putin’s redeeming qualities. President Obama is literally destroying this nation on both the domestic and international level.


38 posted on 12/21/2013 8:40:34 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Democrats. The only constitutional rights they believe in are sodomy and abortion.)
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To: Innovative
13% PIT

Who needs deductions at that rate?

39 posted on 12/21/2013 8:44:43 PM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: willywill
for the last couple of years, joking aside, I’ve been trying to find where I disagree with putin.

Joking aside, he's responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people, so one could start with that. Look around the world, where there's instability either Putin's Russia or Iran is behind it.

40 posted on 12/21/2013 8:46:51 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Not quite as simple as in the Cold War. At least back then, America was a morally upright country that stood for freedom and democracy. Not the degenerate, faggoty cultural sewer that it has now become. It makes for a different dynamic.


41 posted on 12/21/2013 8:47:38 PM PST by greene66
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To: EEGator

Hah! I always had you pegged as a war-monger. ;^)


42 posted on 12/21/2013 8:52:25 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

I possess an insatiable bloodlust.


43 posted on 12/21/2013 9:02:27 PM PST by EEGator
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To: greene66

“It makes for a different dynamic.”


Only if you don’t see the United States being on the losing side as a bad thing anymore now that we’re so degenerated.


44 posted on 12/21/2013 9:23:24 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

That’s becoming an increasing possibility that I definately consider. Under Obama, and with all his marxist ilk in charge of the institutions, and a poisonous culture that celebrates depravity and evil, America is looking to have zero moral authority on just about anything. And a country that has embraced evil to the extent it has (fag marriage being a telling symbol), its preservation no longer seems of paramount importance.


45 posted on 12/21/2013 9:33:07 PM PST by greene66
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Putin looks out for the best interests of Russia, the country he is leading.

That is more than what we can say about our president who is NOT looking out for the best interests of the US.

Does this help make it clear why some of us have a net positive view of him?


46 posted on 12/21/2013 10:13:26 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“persecuting them such as gays. “

He is NOT persecuting gays. You really need to get some correct information, instead of the MSM propaganda.

The only thing he did, he made it illegal for push gay propaganda on those 18 years or younger. Do you have a problem with that?

He did NOT ban gay lifestyle.


47 posted on 12/21/2013 10:24:58 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Cyber Liberty

he’s responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people’

Prove it, with examples and evidence. What we know is that he’s responsible for keeping the US from going to war in Syria on behalf of jihadist rebels. So he’s responsible for protecting a lot of innocent people,

Your mention of Iran suggests your real problem is the Putin is also trying to keep us from starting a war against that country. Bet you loved the Iraq war !


48 posted on 12/21/2013 10:54:02 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: EEGator

Thanks. Your candor’s appreciated.


49 posted on 12/21/2013 10:55:17 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

I’ve been watching your act, and I don’t think proof exists that you would accept.


50 posted on 12/21/2013 10:55:37 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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