Skip to comments.Vladimir Putin, Conservative Icon
Posted on 12/21/2013 6:35:03 PM PST by Innovative
The Russian president is positioning himself as the world's leading defender of traditional values.
Vladimir Putin is calling on the conservatives of the world to unitebehind him.
The Kremlin leader's full-throated defense of Russia's "traditional values" and his derision of the West's "genderless and infertile" liberalism in his annual state-of-the-nation address last week was just the latest example of Putin attempting to place himself at the vanguard of a new "Conservative International."
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for the last couple of years, joking aside, I’ve been trying to find where I disagree with putin.
Putin’s full of it, of course. He’s not “conservative” when he divorces his wife on the grounds of their not being married in a church. He’s not “conservative” when he has his enemies thrown from windows, people beaten in dark alleyways so that they can never walk again. He’s a killer and a thief, and nothing more.
VP has more cred than Zer0.
Putin is doing what is in Putin’s interest. Americans that look up to him are truly lost.
Confusing times we are living in.
Conservatives used to support the police and hated the Russkies.
Now, many on the right loathe the police and voice support for Russian dictator Putin.
Really, I know Putin says he supports conservative values, but he is just a smart ex-commie.
From an ex-KGB chief who thinks the biggest tragedy of the 20th Century was the death of the Soviet Union.
“Conservatism” doesn’t mean the same thing in Europe as here. Over there a traditional conservative means a statist.
Putin is not a nice guy.
No, he didn't!
“Americans that look up to him are lost”
Count me as lost. He kept us from starting another stupid Middle East war - in Syria. I suppose you’re sad we don’t have 50000 American troops there right now, which Obama was setting us up for.
Homosexual marriage is more of threat to civilization than most of what our Homeland Security is spending/wasting its billions pursuing.
Putin is standing up against insidious moral degeneration. Whatever his inner motives, he’s on the side of civilization against barbarism when it comes to this core issue.
Actually, it's the Church which is leading the defense of traditional values. I wonder what KGB Putin has to say about that.
So you find it impossible to not look up to Putin and be against military intervention in Syria?
I’m not a fan, but I don’t think he hates or wants to kill the majority of Russians. That’s better than we’re doing over here.
huh? make sense and I might answer.
Putin’s been very supportive of the Russian Orthodox Church - and on the international scene has said he wants to defend Christians against Muslim persecution. When did you last hear that from Obama - or even from Bush before him?
I do not look up to Putin.
I do not want our military involved in Syria.
Do you find it impossible for me to hold those two ideas at the same time?
P.S. That’s twice you’ve been a pompous ass with your replies.
Putie strongly supports the traditional European value of state sponsored religious monopoly.
They also have a nice flat tax in Russia:
‘Personal income tax (PIT) is levied individually normally at 13 percent. There is no joint filing. Employers withhold income taxes, thus the taxpayers whose only taxable income was paid by employer do not need to file a tax returnexcept to claim a refund for itemized deductions.
The most important deductions are for home purchase (once a life), and education and medical expenses. Deductions require documentation and are subject to limitations. Tax returns are mandatory for registered entrepreneurs and professionals (lawyers, notaries, etc.), sellers of personal assets and recipients of other income. Out of 10.4 million registered residents of Moscow, only 94 thousand filed tax 2006 returns and 105 thousand filed for 2007. State pensions and alimony are normally not taxable, as well as bank interest (unless it exceeds the refinancing rate set by Central Bank of Russia).
Capital gains from asset sales are taxable only if the seller owned the asset for less than 3 years.”
If you really opposed war in Syria — I’ll believe you for the sake of argument — it wouldn’t make sense for you to diss Putin, because he’s the guy who stopped from happening. I can only surmise that you didn’t oppose it THAT much. Sorrry for my suspicions, but I have a hunch you oppose Putin precisely because he’s helping to deter the US from getting involved in more Middle East wars. Maybe I’m wrong about your real position, but a person can make inferences, it’s a free country after all.
You got me Sherlock.
In desperate times people turn to leaders.
Please people, lets get something straight. Putin was the head of the KGB. In the end, no matter what he says, he is not our friend. Let’s also keep in mind that for 70 years the official state religion of Russia was atheism. This guy is not the defender of the faith. He is a master of positioning himself. That is all.
While we may agree with him on his traditional values preaching and against gay marriage. We certainly disagree with his oppressing any peoples rights or persecuting them such as gays. The only thing I will compliment Putin on is that he is more of a man than our metrosexual President. Sad day indeed....
He is not a “conservative” by our standards
“Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue.”
- Francois de La Rochefoucauld
What’s better, a leader who publicly and privately embraces vice or a leader who espouses virtue but has vice in his private life, aka a hypocrite? American leaders, especially Democrats, practice the former, while Putin apparently lives the latter.
Culturally speaking, the civil society is hurt far, far more by leaders who encourage vice. Society can survive a few elites who live lives of debauchery, but we cannot thrive when debauchery becomes mainstream. So I’d argue Putin is a better leader even if he’s a hypocrite.
Granted. It would be best if we had virtuous leaders, but I’d settle for leaders who at least pay homage to morality in public rather than Democrats who encourage envy, greed, and lust as a means to their own power.
“So Id argue Putin is a better leader even if hes a hypocrite.”
You shouldn’t, since Putin is an enemy of our country and would rather see us all enslaved. He is just trying to get on our goodside so that, if a conservative President comes to power, we’ll look the other way as he continues to develop his nuclear forces for a potential conflict with us. Meanwhile, people are still being murdered, and his people suffer.
Which is exactly why the Atlantic is trying to associate him with conservatives.
I think you’re oversimplifying things. Someone can be against current US policy without being our enemy. I don’t like nearly everything our dear president has done, and I don’t think our dear president’s policies are good for the nation either. Does that make me an enemy, too?
I think Putin has offered some pretty good advice on several issues. Do I think he’s a good guy? No. But I think you’re stretching if you claim Putin wants to see America destroyed and Americans enslaved. Frankly, we’re doing pretty good in that regard without Vlad’s help.
Putin is trying to save his country.
Obama, Rats and many Republicans are destroying theirs. What they have done is infinitely more destructive than all of the bad things Putin has ever done.
He was never the head of the KGB. He was an officer.
Bush #1 was head of the CIA.
“But I think youre stretching if you claim Putin wants to see America destroyed and Americans enslaved.”
Then you don’t know Putin very well. He’s still wishing for the good old days of Stalin. Religion to him is just a political tool, and the Russian Orthodox church has long been infiltrated and controlled by the KGB.
This is an example of naively accepting Russkie disinformation at face value. They’ve gotten you to think of Russia as no longer a threat.
and the simple answer is NO and HE$% NO This murdering bastard is no conservative and I won’t follow him anywhere
If Putin is an enemy of this country, why has he taken the right side on several international issues? Syria is one example. If Putin wanted to weaken us, wouldn’t it have been better for him to get us embroiled in the Syrian civil war?
I just don’t think it’s as simple as it once was during the Cold War era. I could be wrong, but you’ll have to offer more proof of Putin’s ill will toward Americans than simply claiming he’s out to see us enslaved.
“If Putin is an enemy of this country, why has he taken the right side on several international issues? Syria is one example.”
Syria is a proxy and client state of Russia. They buy their weapons, have a Russian base, and follow the dictates of Moscow. Little known fact, but the middle eastern conflict is largely the work of Russia itself. Arafat was working with the KGB, as were many terrorists around the world. Hence why the dissidents in Iran were shouting not just death to Ahmadinejad, but “Death to Russia!” as well.
“I just dont think its as simple as it once was during the Cold War era.”
It’s as simple as it was during the cold war era. I recommend you involve yourself in the writings of the various KGB or other dissidents/defectors who have come over to us from Moscow. The Perestroika did not result in any communsits being brought to justice. They just rebranded themselves as capitalists and democrats, but are neither.
Compare Putin to our dear leader, President Obama. Putin advances Russian interests first and he at least pays tribute to morality in public. I’m not saying he’s a better person, a great guy, but I think he’s a much more effective leader than Obama. Frankly, we’re being led by an inexperienced clown. What’s so wrong about admiring certain aspects of Putin’s leadership? President Obama is a lesser order tyrant, too, except he doesn’t have any of Putin’s redeeming qualities. President Obama is literally destroying this nation on both the domestic and international level.
Who needs deductions at that rate?
Joking aside, he's responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people, so one could start with that. Look around the world, where there's instability either Putin's Russia or Iran is behind it.
Not quite as simple as in the Cold War. At least back then, America was a morally upright country that stood for freedom and democracy. Not the degenerate, faggoty cultural sewer that it has now become. It makes for a different dynamic.
Hah! I always had you pegged as a war-monger. ;^)
I possess an insatiable bloodlust.
“It makes for a different dynamic.”
Only if you don’t see the United States being on the losing side as a bad thing anymore now that we’re so degenerated.
That’s becoming an increasing possibility that I definately consider. Under Obama, and with all his marxist ilk in charge of the institutions, and a poisonous culture that celebrates depravity and evil, America is looking to have zero moral authority on just about anything. And a country that has embraced evil to the extent it has (fag marriage being a telling symbol), its preservation no longer seems of paramount importance.
Putin looks out for the best interests of Russia, the country he is leading.
That is more than what we can say about our president who is NOT looking out for the best interests of the US.
Does this help make it clear why some of us have a net positive view of him?
“persecuting them such as gays. “
He is NOT persecuting gays. You really need to get some correct information, instead of the MSM propaganda.
The only thing he did, he made it illegal for push gay propaganda on those 18 years or younger. Do you have a problem with that?
He did NOT ban gay lifestyle.
he’s responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people’
Prove it, with examples and evidence. What we know is that he’s responsible for keeping the US from going to war in Syria on behalf of jihadist rebels. So he’s responsible for protecting a lot of innocent people,
Your mention of Iran suggests your real problem is the Putin is also trying to keep us from starting a war against that country. Bet you loved the Iraq war !
Thanks. Your candor’s appreciated.
I’ve been watching your act, and I don’t think proof exists that you would accept.