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Ryan defends military benefits cuts (Proposed "fix" will NOT cover disabled retirees)
The Hill ^ | 22 Dec 13 | Molly K. Hooper

Posted on 12/22/2013 11:43:30 AM PST by SkyPilot

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Sunday defended cuts to military retiree benefits, noting that Congress would change a provision for individuals who were “medically retired” or received “survivor’s benefits.”

In a USA Today op-ed published on Sunday, the Republican budget guru, who spent weeks crafting a two-year bipartisan budget deal with Senate Budget Committee Chairman Patty Murray (D-Wash.), noted that the budget chiefs “have agreed to amend the law … well before the reform takes effect in December 2015.”

“Many raised concerns that these reforms would affect the retired pay of service members who are medically retired and those receiving survivor’s benefits. So Senator Murray and I have agreed to amend the law to exclude them well before the reform takes effect in December 2015,” the House Budget Committee chairman wrote.

He explained the rationale behind the joint decision to scale back benefits for military retirees under the age of 62 – or “reduction in cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) for working-age military retirees” - that has become a source of “controversy,” in recent days.

“If (younger retirees) retire before age 62, the annual increase in their retired pay will be 1% less than the inflation rate. In other words, their benefits will grow every year — just at a slower rate,” Ryan wrote.

The cut is anticipated to save $6 billion over a 10-year period.

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Read his USA Today editorial.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/12/22/veterans-retirement-paul-ryan-budget-deal-column/4164713/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567

It is an outrage.

Also, he and Murray are trying to put out the fire of criticism since the "deal." One aspect is that disabled military retirees will have their pensions cut. Initially, they said they would make this "fix." But now, they are only speaking to those military who were "retired for medical reasons." That is a very, very small slice of military retired. You have to meet several separate medical boards, and can even be retired for non-combat related injuries. The "fix" will NOT help disabled military retirees - their 20 year (minimum) pensions will still be cut! In other words, an Afghanistan veteran who partially lost his hearing due to a grenade explosion and then hit 20 years and retired, went through the intensive Veteran's Administration bureaucracy and got a 30% disability rating will not be protected from pension cuts, but someone who was medically retired early for a skin disease will be.

1 posted on 12/22/2013 11:43:30 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


2 posted on 12/22/2013 11:44:16 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: SkyPilot

FUPR!!


3 posted on 12/22/2013 11:45:10 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SkyPilot

Ryan’s still defending this? He should learn from Cracker Barrel.


4 posted on 12/22/2013 11:47:26 AM PST by grania
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To: SkyPilot

““If (younger retirees) retire before age 62, the annual increase in their retired pay will be 1% less than the inflation rate. In other words, their benefits will grow every year — just at a slower rate,” Ryan wrote.”

It would be a shame if he were able to fool anyone with that.

If the pay is not keeping pace with inflation, then it will buy less, and is therefore declining.


5 posted on 12/22/2013 11:47:34 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: SkyPilot
The folks of Wisconsin have done the right thing in the past, retirees would be grateful if they would do the right thing in 2014.


6 posted on 12/22/2013 11:49:24 AM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Jim Robinson

Goes after military retirees, won’t touch Obamaphones, fraudulent child tax credits, Medicaid fraud. $6 billion dollars over ten years. The last 4 month budget deal included $2 billion for a public works project just to buy off Mitch McConnell.


7 posted on 12/22/2013 11:50:07 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: SkyPilot

You can never trust a TARPer.


8 posted on 12/22/2013 11:51:29 AM PST by Theoria (Obama lied. My health care died.)
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To: SkyPilot

Wouldn’t it be great if Paul Ryan followed his Democrat wife and switched parties!


9 posted on 12/22/2013 11:52:07 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: grania

Well his buddy chuckey s. thought is was a good deal.

I guess that make it wonderful for everyone except the vets.

Another lying backstabber is exposed, hope the special back room deal was worth it for him.


10 posted on 12/22/2013 11:59:27 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: SkyPilot

Just another liberal DemocRAT. Nail the disabled vets but leave the freeloaders alone. Good job Paulie boy.


11 posted on 12/22/2013 12:00:06 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all my fellow Americans. "Whatever" to everybody else!)
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To: SkyPilot

Ryan can kiss my ass.


12 posted on 12/22/2013 12:01:17 PM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: SkyPilot

The uniparty whore trying to explain his duplicity. Stiffing military retirees in favor of what? Deathcare? National edowment for the arts?

Sorry pal. No matter how thin you slice it, it’s still baloney.


13 posted on 12/22/2013 12:05:23 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting some small say in who will get to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: SkyPilot

14 posted on 12/22/2013 12:06:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: SkyPilot

The the united auto workers their pension is going to change. Or the Teamsters. Or Calpers.

You would end up in an oil drum getting buried in the endzone of the Meadowlands.

I think it might be time for another Vets encampment in DC.


15 posted on 12/22/2013 12:07:32 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: SkyPilot

Team Romney: RomneyCARE, gay marriage, screw the military


16 posted on 12/22/2013 12:08:29 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: SkyPilot

Remember that last shared sacrifice we had? No COLA for military and Social Security? Then they passed a law giving all the social security people $500? That’s how Democrats share sacrifice. They let you sacrifice.


17 posted on 12/22/2013 12:11:25 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jim Robinson
And Chuck Hagel is praising these cuts to pensions, while today this story just came out:

Hagel: All states complying with same-sex benefits order"

All states are now complying with a Pentagon order to allow same-sex spouses to obtain ID cards after some had resisted it, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Friday. “Following consultations between the National Guard Bureau and the adjutants general of the states, all eligible service members, dependents and retirees — including same-sex spouses — are now able to obtain ID cards in every state,” Hagel said in a statement. The Pentagon changed its policy toward granting same-sex benefits this summer, in response to the Supreme Court striking down the Defense of Marriage Act.


18 posted on 12/22/2013 12:11:40 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

He’s a liberal. ‘Nuff said.


19 posted on 12/22/2013 12:11:56 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: SkyPilot

Because of this Paul Ryan stab in the back of us military retirees, I’m making no more contributions to the Republican Party. I will only contribute money to and vote for Republicans who run against the current Republicans in the coming primaries. These Republicans have been associating with Democrats for so long they’ve become no different than Democrats and need to be sent home. It’s time to clean house in Congress and fumigate the Capitol Building.

This email is being passed around the military retired community, and I’m now passing it on to you. It sums up what every retiree I know feels about Paul Ryan and this Republican led Congress.

From Chief Master Sergeant Chuck Wooten:

FB Friends,
I’m still mulling this Paul Ryan budget deal that stole money from every military retiree (past, present and future). This morning, upon opening my email, I noticed I had a letter from Congressman Paul Ryan…and it was begging me for an “emergency end of the year donation.” It only proves what we already know. The folks in Washington are indeed clueless. Instead of hitting the delete button, I decided to call Congressman Ryan out on his audacity and lack of self-awareness. I sent the following to him. I’m also posting it on the FB USAF Chiefs page as an open letter to the Congressman. If you’re a retiree, I will tell you we may have lost the battle, but not the war. If you’re inclined and find it worthy, let’s flood social media with this letter and see if we can get some traction. Thanks.

To Congressman Paul Ryan
Today at 8:19 AM
Congressman Ryan,

Please note that this request by you for a cash donation from me is extremely unfortunate and very ill-timed. You see sir, I am one of the military retirees your “bipartisan” budget just impacted. You and every Republican (both in the House and Senate that voted to pass this travesty betrayed and broke trust with me and everyone like me. You may not know us by name, but we’re the people, Congressman, who answered our Nation’s call, some of us at a very early age to willingly serve YOU and others LIKE YOU so you could safely attend college and pursue your personal ambitions without fear of harm.

You might also want to note that for at least 20 years, my brothers-in-arms answered that call of duty EVERY SINGLE DAY, without fail, without complaint, without enough money to sustain our loved ones we had to leave behind while we DID OUR JOB in every corner of the Earth. And for that service, we were given absolute assurance our so-called retirement benefits would be protected by law. The very law you shattered in your zeal to impress your Democratic cohorts in your back room deal—with the enemy. Yes, I said it. The liberal Democrats are an enemy to the American people and our Nation. Your lack of judgement and eagerness to compromise on the backs of us who protected you is sickening. Congressman, you and every Republican that voted for injuring military retirees have engaged in a complicit, sordid affair with the Democrats who’s objective has always been to dismantle the military. By climbing into their bed on this issue, you have confirmed you are absolutely no better than they and have proven it with your vote.

Congressman Ryan, the audacity which you display is noteworthy, but to unceremoniously snatch earned money from a small group that has added so much more value than the paltry $6B you looked to “save” (which is all smoke and mirrors and you know it), is reprehensible and insulting.

We have, despite the hardships, meager salaries and harsh conditions, have performed with honor and excellence…in silence, which is something most members of Congress have no idea about doing. Our job approval was, is and always be better than yours. We knew our mission and we got it done, then handed it off to a new generation in better shape than we found it.

Your ability to look us in the eye, take money from us (apparently there was ZERO, other source of waste within the federal government that you could have recovered this money from…right, got it), while simultaneously holding your hand out to beg (with passion) for our cash is stunning. Your actions have proven you do not have the tremendous intellect you’ve sold the American people on. I say, with all seriousness, Congressman, what you lack in intellect and spinal rigidity, you make up for in cajones.

I hope you and your cowardly, Republican “colleagues” hear a message from me loud and clear. You will NEVER receive another cent of financial support from me. Further, if you happen to be at a Capitol Hill dinner or at a K Street cocktail party with RNC Chair Reince Priebus, Rep. Ron Barber, Sen. Jeff Flake or Sen. John McCain, I would be honored if you communicate with them that I am launching an effort to ensure NONE of you traitorous “representatives of the people” ever receive another vote from a military retiree. Remove me from your contact lists.

Chuck Wooten,
Chief Master Sergeant, USAF (Ret)


20 posted on 12/22/2013 12:13:29 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: SkyPilot

Chaplin....sadly this is the type of - quite frankly - “bottom line fiscal heartlessness” endemic to hard core “fiscal only” conservatives. Notice how many on this “conservative” forum don’t really speak out against cutting military retired pay...or serving military pay. In reality, many here (sadly) see the military as a “leech” on the people...just as they do anyone working for the gov. Truly a sad state of affairs...too much foolish envy.


21 posted on 12/22/2013 12:14:12 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: SkyPilot

Ryan’s big government Republicanism makes it easy to understand why this country is in trouble


22 posted on 12/22/2013 12:18:20 PM PST by Rock Eye Jack
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To: SkyPilot

OK, Pauly boy, what will that six billion dollars be used for? That Compromise Budget Method that you and Murray came up with.....why don’t you explain it? All you did was get rolled by the Democrats again.


23 posted on 12/22/2013 12:19:15 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Rock Eye Jack

hero to zero in .2 seconds.

He is off my list for a. the original idea and especially b. trying to BS us with this “explanation”.


24 posted on 12/22/2013 12:42:25 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: SkyPilot

I’m not giving up on Ryan yet.. this is definitely AFU but it won’t stand. It doesn’t kick in until 2015 and I expect it will have been fixed before it ever does.

Only way to fix anything is to clean house in 2014. If that doesn’t happen then we’ve got no one to blame but ourselves.


25 posted on 12/22/2013 12:46:57 PM PST by maddog55
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To: SkyPilot
There must be a virus within the District of Columbia, and it must be growing. In all my life, I've never seen so many Republicans go sick. Ronald Reagan is rotating at 100 times a second in his grave.

Really? 6 billion? Isn't that what our deficit is in a single day? Sorry, my calculator doesn't go up to a trillion to divide by 365. Anyone?

26 posted on 12/22/2013 12:52:17 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: SkyPilot
Oops, already got the math wrong. It's not 6 billion divided by 12 months of, but 120 months. Absolute pocket change to the Fedgov.

This is a guy so many were pinning their hopes on. He has caught DC Disease. Screw him and every GOP elite. Now, if Ted Cruz goes bad, there's no turning back.

27 posted on 12/22/2013 12:59:05 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: DJ Taylor
DJ, thanks for sharing I will pass it along.
28 posted on 12/22/2013 1:04:11 PM PST by Arkansas Tider (Army EOD (Ret))
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To: RKBA Democrat

How many times have we seen this low low level of treachery from the latest next great savior of the right? How can anyone blame some conservatives for being utterly pessimistic and cynical?


29 posted on 12/22/2013 1:04:16 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SkyPilot

Yes it is an outrage.

Paul no-chance-now-as-GOP-nominee Ryan seems to be following his top of the ticket in turning off natural support. Will he become a burr in the saddle to the next GOP nominee, GOP president?


30 posted on 12/22/2013 1:09:44 PM PST by Mach9
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To: Jim Robinson
I tell ya Jim, Obama is likely the end of the Republic, BUT, better that the end be on Obama's watch than on the watch of the Republicans.

Let the history books show who really did this.

31 posted on 12/22/2013 1:19:11 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

They don’t call them the stupid party for nothing.


32 posted on 12/22/2013 1:30:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Sola Veritas
‘In reality, many here (sadly) see the military as a “leech” on the people...just as they do anyone working for the gov. Truly a sad state of affairs...too much foolish envy.’

Pinging Freeper Sarasmom

33 posted on 12/22/2013 1:40:04 PM PST by robowombat
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To: SkyPilot

Pas it now and we will change it later.

Is he really that stupid?


34 posted on 12/22/2013 1:43:43 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: DJ Taylor
Meager salaries is right for the enlisted force. Not as penurious as back in the 70’s when i was one of them but bad enough, especially when one notes the very impressive competence level of career enlisted personnel today. having worked around the armed forces for decades I can say pretty categorically that the NCO force today is really a professional and outstanding group of men and women. But, compared to illegal aliens how can anyone doubt who will be preferred by the political class. This is the political class spitting in the face of mainstream Americans again. They think we are stupid, and funny, for our ‘simplistic’ patriotism and moral code.
35 posted on 12/22/2013 1:47:51 PM PST by robowombat
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To: Jim Robinson
I used to call them the Stupid Party. Now, I wonder. Stupidity once or twice is one thing, but consistent 'stupidity' is purposeful. These are not the least intelligent people, those that rise to office.

No. They are not the Stupid Party.

They are the COMPLICIT PARTY.

36 posted on 12/22/2013 2:09:18 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Venturer
Pass it now and we will change it later. Is he really that stupid?

No, but he thinks WE are.

He's not stupid; he's compromised.

37 posted on 12/22/2013 2:10:33 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: mrsmel

My treachery counter lost track years ago.

Cynical? Pessimistic? Not me. I went beyond that. I’m on the other side of cynical and pessimistic. I.e hopeful and optimistic. Just not about politics.


38 posted on 12/22/2013 2:16:39 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting some small say in who will get to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: OldSmaj

DITTO many times


39 posted on 12/22/2013 2:28:05 PM PST by RaginRak
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To: Lazamataz; Jim Robinson
"I tell ya Jim, Obama is likely the end of the Republic, BUT, better that the end be on Obama's watch than on the watch of the Republicans. Let the history books show who really did this."

Sorry Laz, I don't care who destroyed our Republic, whether it be Dems or RINO's. History will show they are both responsible for the destruction that our brilliant Founding Fathers created. Just too unfortunate those guys in wigs could not have put in an Amendment for term limits. But then, they thought some would serve and then go back to their farms.

If I were King of the USA for a month in no certain order:

1. Term limits;
2. Reduced Congressional sessions, much like Texas every two years, and shorter sessions;
3. ALL laws apply to all branches, departments, and staff;
4. Repeal the 17th Amendment;
5, Grand-father ALL legislation to four years, except for military funding;
6. Eliminate many agencies and departments: EPA, Interior, Homeland Security (redundant), and so so many others. Let those bureaucrats get real jobs. Fire them all like Reagan did with air-traffic controllers;
7. Enforce our borders and that includes kicking out illegal children. Let Mexico deal with them;
8. Concealed carry in every State or on a National level;
9. Eliminate death taxes;
10. Reduce other taxes and regulations that stifle business;
11. Make a Fedgov law that no one loses their home due to municipal property taxes. That works within the 14th Amendment. One Fedgov law I could live with;
12. ALL new legislation by Fedgov must past original (not perceived) Constitutional scrutiny by a non-partisan organization like the OMG;
13. Lastly, Congress repeal the right of the President being able to put our airmen/troops in harms way just because he thinks he's doing the right thing within 60 days?. Stop being the policemen of the world and just kick the shit out of anyone who attacks our way of life - no mercy, including nukes.

I have other Laz, but not sure I can say it on this forum. What do you think about the above?

40 posted on 12/22/2013 2:31:48 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I know what you mean, same here. It helps to just distance myself, but the ‘rats won’t leave it there, they are determined to drill their tyranny down into people’s personal lives if they possibly can, they don’t want anyone to live and let live, they want to force acquiescence.


41 posted on 12/22/2013 2:36:45 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Lazamataz
Forgot to mention in my month as King and making all that happen, I would step down and retire to Figi after appointing decent Constitutional men to keep my dictates in line. If they screw up from there, well, I'm in a hut just off the water.

Got your vote for me as King? I vote for me! Got signs?

42 posted on 12/22/2013 2:38:03 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: USNBandit

“Goes after military retirees, won’t touch Obamaphones, fraudulent child tax credits, Medicaid fraud. $6 billion dollars over ten years. The last 4 month budget deal included $2 billion for a public works project just to buy off Mitch McConnell.”

The GOPe is more concerned with illegal aliens than they are with taxpaying citizens in the middle-class. After all that has been asked of the military in the last 10+ years, this jackass decides to play with fire.


43 posted on 12/22/2013 2:54:36 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: A Navy Vet

I would vote for all of that.

Good list.


44 posted on 12/22/2013 3:00:20 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: A Navy Vet

Repeal the 16th and abolish the income tax.
Privatize and phase out social security and medicare.
Enforce the 10th amendment.


45 posted on 12/22/2013 3:11:28 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SkyPilot

Hey, Ryan—why not concentrate on cutting benefits for Congressmen and retired Congressmen? Oh—that’s just too close to home.


46 posted on 12/22/2013 3:44:19 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: DJ Taylor
Chief MSgt Wooten says it all in post #20. Thank you for posting that.

I don't know what will happen, as another Freeper said, $6 Billion over 10 years is absolute pocket change to the Federal government. The only "logic" I can think of as to why in the hell they would do this to our retirees and currently serving active duty is this: they want to decimate military pay, health care, tuition assistance, retirement, disability pay - ALL of it, and they used this excuse of jamming this provision in the budget a few days before Christmas (and facing a huge budget deadline) to get the camel's nose under the tent.

47 posted on 12/22/2013 4:01:14 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Remember when the military and vets voted overwhelmingly Republican??

Those days are likely over.


48 posted on 12/22/2013 4:31:33 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Diogenesis

RINO’s are determined to give the Democrats a supermajority in 2014


49 posted on 12/22/2013 4:33:15 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SkyPilot

mittwit romney ryan jr.


50 posted on 12/22/2013 4:39:17 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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