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Why I Cannot Blame Russia and India for Taking on the Gays
American Thinker ^ | 12-22-13 | Robert Oscar Lopez

Posted on 12/22/2013 3:42:31 PM PST by ReformationFan

Russia and India: Defenders of Decency, Bogeymen of the Gay Lobby

Russia remains stalwart in its laws that aim to curb the influence of the West's gay-friendly culture on Russian youth. Meanwhile, last week, in a stunning turn of events, India's high court reinstituted a nineteenth-century law against sodomy. On cue, the ligbitist kibitzers are going crazy in such homophile haunts as the New Yorker and the Guardian, expressing total outrage that there should exist, anywhere on the globe, nations that do not think it's normal or appropriate to subsidize and celebrate men sodomizing boys.

I cannot blame Russia, India, or any nation for reacting to what they see in the West with measures that I would ostensibly oppose on principle. Russia's ban on promoting homosexuality to children does impinge on free speech. India's ban on sodomy is an intrusion into the sex lives of consenting adults. But we don't live in an ostensible world. We live in a real world, where there are real gay organizations in the West, who are engaging in real machinations to spread their sickness all over the globe.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: culturaldecay; homosexualagenda; india; lopez; robertoscarlopez; ronaldreagan; russia; sickness; vladimirputin
Good editorial. Reminds me of when Ronald Reagan said he opposed the overturning of U.S. anti-sodomy laws because of the Pandora's box it would open.
1 posted on 12/22/2013 3:42:31 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

***I cannot blame Russia, India, or any nation for reacting to what they see in the West with measures that I would ostensibly oppose on principle.***

Nor I, Mr. Lopez, nor I.


2 posted on 12/22/2013 3:48:20 PM PST by Paulie
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To: ReformationFan

I really have to wonder if the treatment of homosexuals in society has been cyclical throughout history, where it was tolerated for a while until the behavior got out of control and threatened the stability of civilization. We can see that there are many in that community who aren’t satisfied with merely coexisting or being tolerated, but want preferential treatment and an elimination of any criticism of their lifestyle choice. The trend seems to be going beyond acceptance and will force some sort of a confrontation with the majority of the population who are not homosexuals.


3 posted on 12/22/2013 3:57:47 PM PST by CASchack
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To: ReformationFan

They have learned by watching us and are smart enough not to start down that road. American leadership, on the other hand, has learned nothing from watching the failures of communism and socialism.


4 posted on 12/22/2013 3:57:55 PM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: ReformationFan

What happened in India is complicated.

A lower court (High Court of Delhi), during a case, ruled the old laws against unnatural sex (which includes sodomy) null and void since the court saw them as an infringement of human freedom, about a year ago. When the case went to the Supreme Court of India through public petition, it ruled about two weeks ago that the courts have no power to amend constitutional laws and the separation of powers among the executive, legislature and the judiciary necessitated the Supreme Court overturning the High Court ruling, thereby reinstating the laws making homosexual acts illegal in India. This is where things stand today.

Now that the Supreme Court has directed that the laws be amended by the legislature, it has become a political issue. The current government of India is centre-right. They are unpopular and the opinion poll prediction is that the right-wing nationalists are going to win the general elections next year. The current government wants to change the laws against homosexuality before it is voted out.

However, as a deeply conservative country, especially on matters pertaining to sexuality and marriage, the homosexual activists have a bleak outlook for their influence in India.


5 posted on 12/22/2013 4:07:34 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: ReformationFan
I work for a major defense contractor.

My health insurance plan, which I liked and wanted to keep, was cancelled this year because of obamacare, and the replacement plan offers less coverage for a greater monthly premium and higher deductibles.

Additionally, there are higher monthly payments for people that smoke, and people who are obese.

Oddly, there is NOT a higher premium for gays, who's lifestyle choices are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than those of smokers and the obese.

Why is that?

6 posted on 12/22/2013 4:11:19 PM PST by Washi
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I must take exception to the manner in which the author states that he can not blame Russia and India for taking on the gays, using a phrase that conveys a lack of conviction, almost apologetic in a sense that is less than emphatic in belief. I can not blame them? Not only do I not blame them, what he should have said deserved to be stated in language much more supportive, indignant and unambiguous by saying I applaud their sense of righteous indignation, I admire the morally upstanding position they've taken in not yielding to the political pressure that is the depravity, abomination that defines the gay life-style.
7 posted on 12/22/2013 4:15:25 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: ReformationFan

For a society to continue, it must promote and respect and reward reproduction, care of offspring, sanitary health. Need more be said? Russia et al seem to think so.


8 posted on 12/22/2013 4:17:31 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Washi

Excellent question. I would surmise it is because the homonazi crowd is a wealthy, big money donor to Maobama & company.


9 posted on 12/22/2013 4:38:44 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Blame Russia?? I praise them and only wish we would do something in this country to slow them down.

Not many Americans have a problem with homosexuals who keep their preference to themselves, But it’s gone way past that now.


10 posted on 12/22/2013 4:40:39 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: CASchack
I really have to wonder if the treatment of homosexuals in society has been cyclical throughout history

The queer's were literally trying to beat down Lot's door, demanding that Lot send those men (Angels) out, so they could "know" them.

11 posted on 12/22/2013 4:41:28 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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I do disagree with his characterization of a 19 year old as a “child” because they can’t buy alcohol in the USA. They are legally emancipated, can join the army, vote, buy a gun (at least a long gun), and get married. And until the Feds pressured the states they could buy alcohol in some states. They are responsible for their own decisions.


12 posted on 12/22/2013 4:48:58 PM PST by Hugin
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To: James C. Bennett
Thank you for the details on the Indian situation. Exceedingly interesting.
13 posted on 12/22/2013 5:48:19 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. " -- Flannery O’Connor)
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To: Paulie
President Putin may also be trying to deal with Russia's horrific demographic problem (after years of Communism and war). Homosexuality is not helping the demographic problem either (to put it mildly).

"We will sodomize your sons...."

from "The Gay Revolutionary," quoted on the Senate floor.

14 posted on 12/22/2013 6:12:47 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: ReformationFan
Incidentally, it has been postulated that the President is himself a homosexual (Bathouse Barry). The President is a liar and a conman who conned the idiot populace into voting for him. President Obama skills as a conman can be explained by the worlds of those bright, queer admen, Kirk and Pill, who wrote the homosexual brainwashing tract, "After the Ball."

Kirk and pill noted that men who have sex with men are excellent frauds and conmen even as they blame it on society's prejudice against homosexuals. We are in for some truly horrific times all the way around.

15 posted on 12/22/2013 6:20:44 PM PST by Stepan12 (T)
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I cannot blame Russia, India, or any nation for reacting to what they see in the West with measures that I would ostensibly oppose on principle. Russia's ban on promoting homosexuality to children does impinge on free speech

Since "the West" does not necessarily represent the pinnacle of morality, the above statement is incomprehensible. It's not as if Russia and India have decreed the summary execution of any effeminate found in the streets! The Russians at least haven't even criminalized homosexual behavior, only the recruitment of the young into the lifestyle.
Really hate being a Neanderthal but, what am I missing?

To be clear, this self-righteous apotheosis of free speech is downright bizarre in a country where the wrong use of "free speech" would earn me a cordial visit from your friendly neighborhood Secret Service (he who has an ear to hear, let him hear) even in an anonymous message board. Bottom line, there's no principle to which I subscribe that would cause me to oppose the measures taken by Russia and India.

16 posted on 12/22/2013 6:50:18 PM PST by stormhill
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You’re always welcome, Mrs. Don-o!


17 posted on 12/22/2013 7:00:29 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Washi
Oddly, there is NOT a higher premium for gays... Why is that?

You know exactly why.

18 posted on 12/22/2013 7:02:52 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: ReformationFan

Gays are riding on the lie that they are victim of oppression when historically it is gay governments and closet gay leaders who are the worst offenders... starting with Nero, Islam to name a few.


19 posted on 12/22/2013 7:18:46 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: Washi
I once sat down and actually crunched all the numbers. I found that the total national costs for treating AIDs and STDs was a lot more than the cost of treatments for obesity. Sticks in my mind it was about 17x more expensive. I didn't crunch the numbers for smokers though. That would be interesting to do if I had the time. I completely agree with you asking that question, as they clearly cost more from a healthcare standpoint.

I used to work for a major defense contractor. I got laid off, lost my great insurance, and now at my new job I have to pay more for worse coverage and costs just went up again.
20 posted on 12/22/2013 8:44:20 PM PST by grateful
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To: CASchack
I really have to wonder if the treatment of homosexuals in society has been cyclical throughout history, where it was tolerated for a while until the behavior got out of control and threatened the stability of civilization

Makes sense to me.

21 posted on 12/22/2013 8:53:04 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Washi

protected class ...


22 posted on 12/22/2013 9:19:48 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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