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Family of Oakland Girl on Ventilator Furious After Meeting With Hospital Officials (Tonsil Surgery)
Contra Costa Times ^ | 12/20/2013 | Kristin J. Bender, David DeBolt and Katie Nelson

Posted on 12/22/2013 4:26:20 PM PST by nickcarraway

The family fighting to keep a brain-dead 13-year-old girl on medical support through Christmas blasted administrators at Children's Hospital Oakland on Thursday evening, saying that hospital officials told them in a private meeting that the girl had to be taken off her ventilator "quickly."

"They said, 'What don't you understand?' She is dead, dead, dead,'" said Omari Sealey, the uncle of Jahi McMath, the Oakland teen who has been kept alive by machines since complications from a tonsil surgery last week in a case that has brought national attention and prayers from social media users around the world. "They just kept referring to her as 'a body.'"

The family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, said he will head to court on Friday morning to seek an injunction to halt any hospital intervention. Hospital officials have not given a timeline to remove the girl from the ventilator, he added

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"They keep saying she is 'dead, dead, dead' and I am hoping the courts will say 'no, no, no,'" Dolan said in a Thursday night news conference. "We just saw her; she is a beautiful young lady. She responds to her mother's touch. She is warm."

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Jahi had tonsil surgery to help her with sleep apnea, weight gain and other health problems and began bleeding from her nose and mouth and experienced cardiac arrest later that night.

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(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; jahimcmath; medicallynching; oakland; obamacare; omarisealey; racisthealthare; thankyouobama; whopaysforhercare
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This girl went into the hospital for tonsil surgery, the hospital screwed up- badly. Now they are trying to euthanize her to cover it up. Welcome to ACA.
1 posted on 12/22/2013 4:26:20 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

They should find some really good lawyers.


2 posted on 12/22/2013 4:29:05 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: nickcarraway

Can’t you just feel the compassion?


3 posted on 12/22/2013 4:29:51 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

I’ll bet they already have.


4 posted on 12/22/2013 4:30:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: GeronL

You have to wonder what the hospital is hiding.


5 posted on 12/22/2013 4:33:03 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: nickcarraway
The hospital wants her organs.

I was once in a similar situation. Paralyzied due to hospital error, on a ventilator and the hospital wanted my parents to turn it off so they can take my organs.

6 posted on 12/22/2013 4:33:18 PM PST by RginTN
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To: BunnySlippers

Who knows. All we know that if she is dead, then they killed her in a tonsil surgery. Not sure how much worse the truth can be than that.

Likely the cover-up is worse than the truth would have been. But who knows.


7 posted on 12/22/2013 4:34:36 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: nickcarraway

Glad they have a lawyer. So very sad.


8 posted on 12/22/2013 4:34:47 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: nickcarraway
Unbelievable how callous the hospital is - especially since it's their fault.

What was it that Ronald Reagan said about a nation that ceases to be good will soon cease to great? Or something like that.

Prayers for Jahi’s soul and for the family as well. Gut-wrenching.

9 posted on 12/22/2013 4:34:51 PM PST by Paulie
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To: nickcarraway

What a nightmare. Tonsil removal.

When I was a kid ,during WWII, there was a hospital bed shortage and tonsils would be removed on the kitchen table.

Prayers for this child.

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10 posted on 12/22/2013 4:35:54 PM PST by Mears
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To: nickcarraway

The very LEAST this hospital should do is give the family reassurance the girl stays alive through the end of the year. This hospital turning this into a war at Christmastime is horrible.


11 posted on 12/22/2013 4:36:03 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: nickcarraway

Yes she may very well be dead, dead, dead.

For christ’s sake can you not let the parents have a few days with their daughter?

You nitwits killed her, and like total ghouls you want to harvest her organs and can’t let her parents have Christmas with her.

Disgusting.


12 posted on 12/22/2013 4:36:39 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: GeronL

Compassion is illegal under terms of the ACA.


13 posted on 12/22/2013 4:38:15 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: GeronL

What is the hospital saying happened?


14 posted on 12/22/2013 4:39:16 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

complications


15 posted on 12/22/2013 4:39:54 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: nickcarraway

I can buy that


16 posted on 12/22/2013 4:40:21 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: nickcarraway

The ACA is going to be a horrific scourge on our healthcare system; but it hasn’t started yet. It only actually kicks in on January 1st. The only reason these parents have *any* say in keeping the daughter on life support is that there are private entities involved here. Once people have ACA insurance; the Independent Advisory Board. (Death Panel) will make the decision to pull the plug. The parents won’t have any say in the decision.


17 posted on 12/22/2013 4:40:23 PM PST by Reagan80 ("In this current crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem")
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To: GeronL
They should find some really good lawyers.

Hope they can find highly competent lawyers.

Not sure you could find a good one.

18 posted on 12/22/2013 4:41:23 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: nickcarraway

“They said, ‘What don’t you understand?’ She is dead, dead, dead,’”


Sounds like something out of the mouth of Kathleen Sebelius..death panels are happening sooner than we think..this poor child, went to get a operation to help relieve her sleep apnea and now will probably die to to incompetence. Prayers for the family


19 posted on 12/22/2013 4:41:42 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: GeronL

Yes, good lawyers indeed. Else they’ll ‘Terry Schiavo” her for her parts.


20 posted on 12/22/2013 4:46:14 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: nickcarraway
The little girl had blood clots, during the operation one broke free and caused a heart attack. She DIED on the table, was revived and was then hit with another break away blood clot which killed her.

The hospital can't tell you this because the family will NOT let them.
21 posted on 12/22/2013 4:50:27 PM PST by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: bboop
Yes, good lawyers indeed. Else they’ll ‘Terry Schiavo” her for her parts.

Presumably. This is a brain death situation, not a chronic vegetative state. In all USA States, brain death is death, and there is no point in continuing the ventilator supports

22 posted on 12/22/2013 4:52:08 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: glaseatr
Does the family have guns pointed at the hospital?

Plus. how do you know this information?

23 posted on 12/22/2013 4:52:12 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Affirmative action involved?!.....ultimate irony if it is....


24 posted on 12/22/2013 4:53:06 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: nickcarraway
Welcome to ACA.

Back in the 90's we had "going postal." Wait till the ACA sets in for realsies and people start going "medical."

25 posted on 12/22/2013 5:02:31 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: nickcarraway

I think that is probably excessive. My works for a hospital. They don’t cover this stuff up. The reporting and investigation is far beyond what any police department would do.

I can appreciate them wanting to wait until after Christmas. But autonomous nervous reactions (to touch, sound,etc) are not signs of life. This little girl is not going to wake up.

I pray for the family and the surgeons and the staff. They are not cold machines. They feel these accidental deaths more than you can imagine—and not just because of the legal impact.


26 posted on 12/22/2013 5:10:19 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: GeronL

I’ll wager a whole lot that several lawyers have found them and that some of them are good and most of them are greedy.

I’ll also bet the whole farm that none of them can bring her back.


27 posted on 12/22/2013 5:11:55 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: glaseatr

I read that she had rapid blood lost through her mouth and nose after surgery.


28 posted on 12/22/2013 5:12:54 PM PST by windcliff
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To: Paulie

You are not hearing the entire story.

This sounds like the family has been spoken to several times and they keep holding out for a miracle that isn’t going to happen.

I know of a catholic hospital and they have specially trained sisters/Drs to deal with these kinds of families. It happens all of the time..most families in this situation end up “getting it”. Some do not, and it gets very “icky”—and the families need to hear the truth, harshly, and directly.

I know it sounds cold. But the process needs to conclude. No need to rush it through Christmas—but I guarantee you that you are not hearing the full story. HPPA will not allow you to ever hear the rest of the story.

I am not letting them off the hook for malpractice. But this harshness you are reading is not the full story.


29 posted on 12/22/2013 5:16:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: nickcarraway

I find it completely unbelievable that they are still doing tonsillectomies!

It has been known to be without legitimate purpose for half a century. Ruthless murderers.
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30 posted on 12/22/2013 5:21:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: nickcarraway

Coincidentally, I saw a local news report on this right before reading this thread.

Hospital said she was brain dead. That the family doesn’t understand that when the brain stops functioning, it doesn’t come back. That’s what they said.

I saw a photo of the 13 year old girl. She was quite obese and looked much much older than 13.

I figure there were underlying health problems associated with the initial sleep apnea they were trying to treat and with the reaction to the surgery which was not good.


31 posted on 12/22/2013 5:22:46 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: nickcarraway
This girl went into the hospital for tonsil surgery, the hospital screwed up- badly.

While that's distinctly possible it's by no means certain.There's no such thing as a medical or surgical treatment or procedure that's completely safe 100% of the time.And that's true even at the finest hospitals in the world.

Now they are trying to euthanize her to cover it up. Welcome to ACA.

Although I'm not familiar with every single line of the OsamaObamaCare bill my 20 years experience at a major Harvard teaching hospital suggests to me that they're more likely to be trying to avoid a long,drawn out court battle that could cost them millions in uncompensated care than it is that they're trying to cover something up.The hospital and the physicians/surgeons involved in this kid's care are gonna be sued bigtime regardless of how long the kid's on a respirator.

32 posted on 12/22/2013 5:24:09 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: nickcarraway

I’d have broken that doctor’s neck, neck, neck.


33 posted on 12/22/2013 5:25:29 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: RginTN

yep, they want the organs.


34 posted on 12/22/2013 5:32:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

Some days I read thing on FR that make me wonder who left the back door to Hell open. Your comment is one.


35 posted on 12/22/2013 5:33:07 PM PST by stellaluna
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To: nickcarraway

not illegal.

just not required.


36 posted on 12/22/2013 5:33:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway
what makes you think the hospital "screwed up?...

she had sleep apnea...at that age she was probably profoundly overweight and has done a great deal of damage to her heart already....

thru the best practice of any doctor or hospital, not every one is going to make it....

its ultimately up to the family to decide....

37 posted on 12/22/2013 5:34:43 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: GeronL

I had the same complications during a tonsillectomy back in 1959. Doctors couldn’t stop the bleeding. 8 hours in surgery. Any operation is risky.

Bless this little girl and her family.


38 posted on 12/22/2013 5:35:08 PM PST by bonfire
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To: RginTN

what hospital “error” paralyzied you?....


39 posted on 12/22/2013 5:35:44 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Vermont Lt

there are cases of people coming back that have had no recorded brain function.

we just learned recently that people can appear to be out under gas, yet they really are conscious ut can’t move, and they feel pain of the operation they’re having done.

don’t say it can’t occur. it has occurred.


40 posted on 12/22/2013 5:36:50 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Vermont Lt
people do not know what they are asking..

.if you keep this girl on a vent, you'll have to provide round the clock nursing/resp therapist..

.you'll have to treat many pneumonias...she'll have a catheter so her skin doesn't break down from being incontinent.

..then she'll get urinary tract infections and she'll need more antibiotics...antibiotics which will probably have to be given IV which means she'll probably have to have a permanent PICC line or port.

..think of all the labs that will have to be run..

..think of tube feedings and excoriation around the rectal area from that...

think people...

..is this what any of US would want?....I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy...not even bammey boy...

41 posted on 12/22/2013 5:41:47 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Vermont Lt

Reactions to sound and touch are not functions of the autonomic nervous system, which controls involuntary functions of the body.

Even involuntary reflexes, such as the pupils constricting to light, disprove brain death. A reaction to sound or touch definitely disproves brain death.

It is possible that the family is imagining these responses, but it is also possible that they are occurring and that the girl is not “brain dead.”

There have been at least three cases in the past few years of people having been declared brain dead, and waking up, including one young man who was soon to be prepared for organ donation, when his cousin, a nurse, discovered that he reacted to a touch on his foot. He made a complete recovery. A middle-aged woman also made a good recovery. These instances are a tiny fraction of “brain death” cases but they do show that the criteria are not infallible.


42 posted on 12/22/2013 5:46:49 PM PST by heartwood
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ouch. That must have been very scary


43 posted on 12/22/2013 5:50:17 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: editor-surveyor
I find it completely unbelievable that they are still doing tonsillectomies!

It has been known to be without legitimate purpose for half a century […]

That truly is an uninformed opinion and should be ignored completely.

44 posted on 12/22/2013 5:55:12 PM PST by doc11355
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To: cherry

Absolutely. Life is more than a blip on a heart monitor.


45 posted on 12/22/2013 5:56:56 PM PST by Benito Cereno
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To: GeronL

No, what they really need is the type of lawyer a friend of mine got. When he went to the law firm and talked to the head sleaze, he suggested the “two hungry b!tches he kept chained out back”. Now that’s the kind of lawyer they need.


46 posted on 12/22/2013 6:17:24 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Some people might call it a confidence game or swindle, others call it ObamaCare!)
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To: RginTN

So what happened?


47 posted on 12/22/2013 6:26:04 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: cherry
It was the neurosurgeon really. He tested an untried surgical procedure on me without my parents and I knowing it was so. It caused more damage to my spinal cord.
48 posted on 12/22/2013 6:28:14 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Girlene

My mother was a doctor and fought to get a second opinion. Thank god the hospital didn’t go to the courts because the second opinion saved my life.


49 posted on 12/22/2013 6:32:08 PM PST by RginTN
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To: nickcarraway
HIPPA laws allow the family to tell the hospital to not release any patient information. That's why the hospital can not give out any information.
How do I know about the blood clot issue. Unfortunately I dare not reveal my source.
50 posted on 12/22/2013 6:35:48 PM PST by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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