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The Late, Great American WASP ('bout time somebody said it)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 12/20/13 | JOSEPH EPSTEIN

Posted on 12/23/2013 6:29:03 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst

The U.S. once had an unofficial but nonetheless genuine ruling class, drawn from what came to be known as the WASP establishment. Members of this establishment dominated politics, economics and education, but they do so no longer. The WASPocracy, as I think of it, lost its confidence and, with it, the power and interest to lead. We are now without a ruling class, unless one includes the entity that has come to be known as the meritocracy—presumably an aristocracy of sheer intelligence, men and women trained in the nation's most prestigious schools.

The acronym WASP derives, of course, from White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, but as acronyms go, this one is more deficient than most. Lots of people, including powerful figures and some presidents, have been white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant but were far from being WASPs. Neither Jimmy Carter nor Bill Clinton qualified.

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WASP life, though, was chiefly found on the eastern seaboard. WASPs had their own social clubs and did business with a small number of select investment and legal firms, such as Brown Brothers Harriman and Sullivan & Cromwell. Many lived on inherited money, soundly invested.

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The late 1960s put the first serious dent into the WASPs as untitled aristocrats and national leaders. For protesters of that generation, the word WASP didn't come into play so much as the word Establishment, heretofore chiefly an ecclesiastical term. The Establishment was the protesters' enemy and target. The Establishment was thought to have sent the country into Vietnam; it was perfectly content with the status quo, with all its restrictions on freedom and tolerance for unjust social arrangements; it stood for all that was uptight and generally repressive in American culture.

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This is refreshing. Say what you want about it, but most societies need a ruling class of some kind -- great families who represent its true ideals. Having a certain group of people who are steeped in tradition and insulated from financial vulnerability helps keep a society strong. I am not saying they should have ALL the power, of course. But we should have such people in the mix to protect the culture and keep the norms alive. Societies that don't have such families always fail.
1 posted on 12/23/2013 6:29:03 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Romney-Ryan was the first GOP ticket not to have a protestant.


2 posted on 12/23/2013 6:32:29 AM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

But we have Kim and Kanye...


3 posted on 12/23/2013 6:32:33 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

You must be a big fan of the Kennedys.


4 posted on 12/23/2013 6:32:38 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

“but most societies need a ruling class of some kind — great families who represent its true ideals.”

Hate to tell you this, but that family would be THE BUSHES.


5 posted on 12/23/2013 6:36:14 AM PST by staytrue
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

There were WASPs and there were WASPs.

Some of the characters listed: FDR, the Bush Klan, Rockefellers, etc. as well as others like Tom Kean Senior of NJ, Chrissie Whitman of New Jersey. exemplify everything that is WRONG with America today. And most of it comes from denying and rejecting their own heritage.


6 posted on 12/23/2013 6:37:47 AM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

The WASP elite became big libs in the 60s - they caused their own death in many ways.


7 posted on 12/23/2013 6:38:09 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Members of this establishment dominated politics, economics and education, but they do so no longer.

Thanks God, otherwise we might start looking like Detroit....oh wait

8 posted on 12/23/2013 6:41:31 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

There is a great deal of mythology about WASPs. It is erroneous to equate this caste with hereditary European nobility. The US is a big melting pot. Power is fluid. One day you’re up. The next day you’re down. This is all a big myth.


9 posted on 12/23/2013 6:43:31 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

This is a fairly good appraisal, but Epstein writes like an outsider looking in and doesn’t get it quite right.


10 posted on 12/23/2013 6:52:11 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: ZULU

You are absolutely correct when WASP began to stand for White Anglo Saxon Pagan and not Protestant, the decadence and decline became inevitable.


11 posted on 12/23/2013 6:52:58 AM PST by allendale
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
This is not bad thought:

"the chief WASP qualities were "success depending on industry; use giving industry its task; civic-mindedness placing obligations on success, and antisensuality setting limits to the enjoyment of it; conscience watching over everything."

"Under WASP hegemony, corruption, scandal and incompetence in high places weren't, as now, regular features of public life. Under WASP rule, stability, solidity, gravity and a certain weight and aura of seriousness suffused public life. As a ruling class, today's new meritocracy has failed to provide the positive qualities that older generations of WASPs provided."

12 posted on 12/23/2013 6:52:59 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
During the late 1960s, some of the heirs of the Rockefeller clan openly admitted feeling guilty about their wealth and the way their ancestors came by it.

The author implies, but never specifically states, that what he really means by WASP is not "white Anglo-Saxon Protestant," but rather "northeast upper class."

The Rockefellers, Carnegies, Mellons, Roosevelts, Vanderbilts and a host of others were not Anglo-Saxon, yet were indisputably WASP.

13 posted on 12/23/2013 6:54:27 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
"The last WASP president was George H.W. Bush, but there is reason to believe he wasn't entirely proud of being a WASP...When running for office he made every attempt to pass himself off as a Texan"

Apparently it escaped Epstein that Texans are among the most WASPish of the WASPs.

"George W. Bush, even though he can claim impeccable WASP lineage and went to the right schools, seems otherwise to have shed all WASPish coloration and become an authentic Texan."

In other words: he went from being a WASP to being a WASP. (Epstein just can't quite comprehend it.)

14 posted on 12/23/2013 6:59:02 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Neither Jimmy Carter nor Bill Clinton qualified.

Both and Jimmuh are indisputably white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.

They just weren't WASPs.

15 posted on 12/23/2013 7:05:50 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
"Meritocracy in America starts (and often ends) in what are thought to be the best colleges and universities."

This is true only in Epstein's limited paradigm. The vast majority of America's most successful (financially and otherwise) achievers are not graduates of the schools that impress Epstein as the most prestigious. They tend to be well motivated and talented graduates of state universities and community colleges. For example: Forbes' lists of the richest Americans reveals this year after year.

16 posted on 12/23/2013 7:06:24 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

You are referring to people like George H. W. Bush?
No thank you.


17 posted on 12/23/2013 7:08:16 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Savage Beast

Nahh. He gets it just fine. He just doesn’t express it well.

Most white southerners are Anglo-Saxon and Protestant, despite the somewhat mythical prominence assigned Scotch-Irish ancestry in recent decades.

But southerners have never been WASPs in the sense of northeast ruling elite. He’s actually referring to a cultural group, assigned ethnicity for purposes of labeling, but with ethnicity not terribly relevant in any other sense.


18 posted on 12/23/2013 7:11:15 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Epstein and I certainly agree on this:

"Of the two strongest American presidents since 1950— Harry S. Truman and Ronald Reagan —the first didn't go to college at all, and the second went to Eureka College"

And it illustrates my point.

Truman and Reagan are the only great Presidents of the 20th century.

The only other great U.S. Presidents were Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and Lincoln.

By Epstein's criteria, none of these great Presidents was a WASP.

19 posted on 12/23/2013 7:13:16 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
The ancient and ingrained WASP disdain for politics was well founded. Far from a meritocracy or an aristocracy, politics and politicians are a thugocracy.

As the Information Age has brought more and more truth to light, the average Americans opinion of them has gone from disdain to contempt--and for excellent reasons.

20 posted on 12/23/2013 7:16:46 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Excellent, Epstein:

"What our new meritocrats have failed to evince—and what the older WASP generation prided itself on—is character and the ability to put the well-being of the nation before their own. Character embodied in honorable action is at the heart of the novels and stories of Louis Auchincloss, America's last unembarrassedly WASP writer. Doing the right thing, especially in the face of temptations to do otherwise, was the WASP test par excellence. Most of our meritocrats, by contrast, seem to be in business for themselves."

21 posted on 12/23/2013 7:19:10 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

We have the ghetto-ocracy right now. We rule according to what is inoffensive to “oppressed” minorities and, as an ethic, believe that if you can get your hands on it (even by lying or stealing), you deserved it.

Our pop culture tells us to flash our bling, live large, have “ho”s and save nothing because tomorrow you might die.


22 posted on 12/23/2013 7:28:17 AM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Sherman Logan
"But southerners have never been WASPs in the sense of northeast ruling elite."

Washington. Jefferson. Madison. Monroe. Et al.

23 posted on 12/23/2013 7:30:05 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast

There was a lot more of a desire to please God with how one lived their life.

Now we desire to please ourselves in a secular Sodom.


24 posted on 12/23/2013 7:30:14 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Technically speaking, the only true Anglo-Saxons are those of English or Lowlands Scots descent, who are actual descendants of the tribes from northwestern Germany and Denmark that invaded England in the 5th and 6th centuries AD. This includes the Scots-Irish, who are descended from northern English and Lowlands Scots settlers in Northern Ireland, with minimal Highland Scots or old-stock Irish input. It does not include the Welsh or Highland Scots, much less French, Dutch, and German descendants who are lumped in as WASPs. Yet families such as the DuPonts, the Vanderbilts, and the Auchinclosses are regarded as WASPs, despite the non-Anglo Saxon origins of their families.

The WASP ascendancy lasted for about a century, beginning with the defeat of the Southern Confederacy by the North and ending with the cultural wars of the 1960s. A new, and substantially Jewish, elite has replaced the WASP ascendancy, which fell first into liberalism starting in the late 19th Century and then into decadence. The new elite is showing similar evidence of decline, due to the effects of political correctness, moral degeneracy, expanded bureaucracy, and economic decline. The next chapter of American history will be interesting, as a new order will replace the current ascendancy.

25 posted on 12/23/2013 7:34:08 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

The Jews are running this country. See Hollywood for reference.


26 posted on 12/23/2013 7:43:07 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

If you are on welfare, you and your spawn should be sterilized. This includes your parents, your siblings, and your children. If they don’t want to be sterilized, then wonderful, they can support you.


27 posted on 12/23/2013 7:43:58 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Savage Beast

Dude. They were part of the Virginia Dynasty. Nothing northeastern about them. The government was dominated prior to the Civil War by Virginians and other southerners, in much the same way it was dominated from 1860 to WWII by WASPs.

In fact, the Civil War was to some extent a struggle between these two elite groups. The South seceded very largely because it saw that it was losing its grip on power and saw no way it could continue safely in a Union in which it was no longer dominant.

(BTW, I have no intent here to ignite another Civil War debate. I think the above statement is indisputably true. Legitimate disagreement is possible on whether the southern elite was right in this belief, but not, IMO, that they believed it.)

After the War, southerners were almost completely excluded from political/cultural influence, with notable exception of powerful southern senators acquiring clout via seniority.


28 posted on 12/23/2013 7:51:26 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Born to Conserve
If you are on welfare, you and your spawn should be sterilized. This includes your parents, your siblings, and your children. If they don’t want to be sterilized, then wonderful, they can support you.

That's not a conservative opinion. Sanger wanted to rid the country of "undesirables" too. So did Hitler.

29 posted on 12/23/2013 7:56:17 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

At a minimum anyone on welfare should be drug tested.


30 posted on 12/23/2013 7:57:19 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Absolutely agree.


31 posted on 12/23/2013 8:11:51 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

I knew several true Boston and New York WASPS. They have all passed away. They didn’t have great Wall Street wealth. They were the sons and daughters of Presbyterian or Anglican ministers, university professors, or even farmers.

All I can say is that there was a simple and clear code of behavior, thrift and a universal respect for all, as we are all a unique child of God and free-born American citizens.


32 posted on 12/23/2013 8:50:08 AM PST by PGR88
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

California is sure not WASP anymore.

“During the 1920s and 1930s Los Angeles was a bastion of Anglo Protestantism, reflecting the values of Midwestern parishioners who had been carried to the Southland on the Southern Pacific Railroad. Well into the 1970s, Protestant denominational leaders enjoyed comfortable, influential ties with the city is still-strong “downtown business
establishment,” which itself was largely Protestant.

The Immigration Act of 1965, however, created the condition for a radically different religious future for the City of Angels-a future that would anoint Roman Catholicism as the area’s dominant religious group. Today Roman Catholicism is the single largest faith tradition in Los Angeles County, with 294 parishes and 3,631,368 adherents.
Among Christians, 71% are Catholics. Between 1980 and 1997, Roman Catholicism experienced a 36% growth.”


33 posted on 12/23/2013 9:01:57 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

Some of that is due as well to the main stream protestant churches becoming so liberal. I know many WASPs who are now catholic. Fundamentalist churches have also grown for the same reason.


34 posted on 12/23/2013 10:00:01 AM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: arkfreepdom

Some of what? California becoming Catholic?


35 posted on 12/23/2013 10:04:11 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: arkfreepdom

Sorry, I just started on my first cup of coffee and realized that you were indeed saying that conversion to Catholicism was a factor.

I doubt that, since whites have been fleeing Catholicism for many years/decades, the real factor is the importation of Catholics by the 10s of millions, a long term goal of the democrat party and the American left, and their arrival in large numbers, in California.


36 posted on 12/23/2013 10:16:03 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

bkmk


37 posted on 12/23/2013 10:28:34 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Wishing all a very Merry Christmas)
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To: Sherman Logan
The Rockefellers, Carnegies, Mellons, Roosevelts, Vanderbilts and a host of others were not Anglo-Saxon, yet were indisputably WASP.

Mellon and Carnegie were Scottish descent -- WASP-ish in the Presbyterian or Anglican sense, but not quite in the true British sense.

The Roosevelt's and Vanderbilt's were descendants of the Dutch/New Amsterdam mercantile families which preceded what became British/New York mercantilism in 1664. As merchant families associated with the VOC they were already quite well entrenched, Dutch protestants, possibly, but not WASPs per se.

Recall the Pilgrims first stayed in Amsterdam and then Leiden, Holland prior to their journey that landed them in what became Plymouth Colony. There, they also mingled with French Protestant Huguenots some of whom came over with the Pilgrims.

Roosevelt's and Bush's can also trace themselves to the Pilgrim's passage as Dutch and English, respectively. So in this way Bush is still the British WASP, though not necessarily Roosevelt.

Rockefellers on the other hand were actually drawn more from German stock, rather than Dutch, but on that basis one could reasonably say they were at least 1/2 of the Anglo-"Saxon" moniker.

FReegards!

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38 posted on 12/23/2013 11:14:10 AM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Sherman Logan
What you say is true. Virginia was the cultural, economic, and population center and the center of power throughout the Colonial Period. The colonies outside New England were the "Papist States" to New Englanders, the "Southern States" to everyone else. In the mid-19th century, New Yorker, Herman Melville, referred to himself as coming from "Southern soil".

Both of these sections were populated by White Anglo-Saxon Protestants--WASPs--of the same European extraction.

In the 19th century, power and population shifted to the Northeast. Early in the 19th century, New York passed Virginia in population. It remained the most populous state until California passed it in the 20th century.

As you say, the Civil War decided that the Northeastern establishment would become dominant over the Southern establishment, but both were WASP.

39 posted on 12/23/2013 12:34:44 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Meritocracy... men and women trained in the most prestigious schools...

Not any more - “diversity” has let in many affirmative action students and the meritocracy is now a sham - Obama and Michelle included.


40 posted on 12/23/2013 1:15:56 PM PST by stonehouse01
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To: Wallace T.

thanks for the very informative post.


41 posted on 12/23/2013 1:17:04 PM PST by stonehouse01
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

How about WASPS. White Anglo-Sexton Protestant Straight.


42 posted on 12/23/2013 1:19:44 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Perdogg
Romney-Ryan was the first GOP ticket not to have a protestant.

Theologically, maybe. But socially and culturally you'd have a hard time convincing non-Protestants that Mitt was anything but a WASP.

43 posted on 12/23/2013 1:31:58 PM PST by x
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Say what you want about it, but most societies need a ruling class of some kind -- great families who represent its true ideals.

You might check out E.Digby Baltzell's The Protestant Establishment: Aristocracy and Caste in America. That was certainly his view, and some people say he invented the term "WASP."

Baltzell was WASPy and upper class himself (more or less) and a big JFK man. That's the thing about elites: they lean to the liberals. With them (other people's) money tends to be no object.

44 posted on 12/23/2013 1:40:12 PM PST by x
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Theologically, maybe. But socially and culturally you'd have a hard time convincing non-Protestants that Mitt was anything but a WASP.

I think the Mormonism took care of that, Romney was largely seen as what he was, a white Obama, exotic, out of touch, and almost a foreigner, socially and culturally.

45 posted on 12/23/2013 1:51:41 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Whether we like it or not...

Iron Law of Oligarchy

46 posted on 12/23/2013 1:58:49 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ansel12
That's your (quite biased) point of view.

To me he looked like many other East Coast moderate Republicans.

The "out of touch" factor was something many people saw in Bush Sr. as well.

47 posted on 12/23/2013 2:10:42 PM PST by x
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To: x

I don’t know why you lash out by calling it “your (quite biased) point of view”, it is the damning image that has colored his 20 years in elective politics, a career that while he spent over 50 million dollars of his own money, and hundreds of millions of other people’s money, resulted in a single election win of less than 50%, and a failed, single term in office with no chance of reelection and ending in losing a presidential election against Jimmy Carter’s second term.

Romney was seen as much more exotic and culturally foreign, than war hero and Texas Congressman, President H W Bush.


48 posted on 12/23/2013 2:28:38 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12
I threw in the bias reference because of your many posts against Mormons and Mormonism (and Catholics, too, come to think of it).

If you don't see that "exotic and culturally foreign" is a relative term in a country like ours, that's your problem. What strikes you as "foreign" won't strike other people in the same way. Romney was not so different from other WASPy East Coast Republican elected officials.

Romney had upper class "out of touch" troubles, but there are plenty of people like that in the country and that doesn't make them "foreigners." I don't see what trashing his political record has to do with it. Since he did beat out quite a few other contenders last time, though, does that make them out-of-touch "foreigners" as well?

49 posted on 12/23/2013 2:42:38 PM PST by x
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I don’t post against Mormons or Catholics, you sure are going out of your way to make this personal.

Evidently you take your Romney very seriously and want to personally attack an individual who points out something negative about him.

If you can just focus on Romney, then you might see that during his 6 years of running for president, the image that haunted him, was how exotic and Romulan he struck people.

Perhaps we could expect that from a man who is so separated in his social and religious life, after all, Bishop Mitt Romney believes that he will become a God at some point, and he focuses his life on remaining culturally isolated within his religious community.


50 posted on 12/23/2013 2:52:09 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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