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Veterans betrayed: Shortchanging those who fought for us
The New York Daily News ^ | December 23, 2013 | The Editors

Posted on 12/23/2013 4:34:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In its rush to pass a budget deal, Congress voted to slice the benefits of veterans, even those who retire after suffering injuries while serving their country.

This unconscionable sneak attack on former members of the armed services was evidently inserted into the legislation by GOP House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan during talks with lead Democratic negotiator, Sen. Patty Murray. He ought to be ashamed.

The provision would cut veterans’ cost of living adjustments beginning in 2015 by $600 million a year — less than one-tenth of 1% of the $630 billion Pentagon budget. But the pain would be real. A senior enlisted servicemember who retired at 40 would typically lose more than $70,000 in benefit payments over the years.

Ryan’s breach of faith must be repealed in its entirety.

Confronted by widespread outrage, he insisted the cuts were a mistake — never mind that he has been a longtime proponent of making them. He said the issue “will be solved with the technical correction” when Congress returns next year.

Murray, for her part, promises a “fix” only to exempt disabled veterans. And, shamefully, there was no groundswell among either Democrats or Republicans for repeal. The best that Democrat Carl Levin, chair of the Armed Services Committee, came up with was a vow to review the matter.

To her credit, New Hampshire Republican Sen. Jeanne Shaheen offered a bill to revoke the cuts and to pay the costs by “eliminating a tax loophole for offshore corporations.”

The cuts must be revoked, not “fixed.”

Congress must act right away, so that veterans depending on their pensions to get by, and soldiers close to making a return to civilian life, do not have this uncertainty, and lack of generosity, hanging over their heads.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; disabledveterans; military; veterans
Hear, hear!
1 posted on 12/23/2013 4:34:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I retired this past June. I’m not happy with the shortchange from congress but I can live with it. What I would love to hear though is that they also did the same to all the welfare duds and cut every government “entitlement” program by at least 1%.


2 posted on 12/23/2013 4:36:57 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another 'Nudge" to decimate the US Military.

3 posted on 12/23/2013 4:38:04 PM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the past the government waited until the conflict was over before stiffing the Veteran. This has to be a first (correct me if I’m wrong), taking benefits away before the war is over.


4 posted on 12/23/2013 4:44:35 PM PST by doc1019 (Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m a Vietnam veteran. Learned a long time ago that our people talk a good game about “honoring our vets” but the truth is and always was that nobody actually cares about us but us and our families.

It used to be that able-bodied men signed up to serve their countries but that has morphed to be just a few men and some ladies carry all the brunt of the dangers and difficulty of service. I am proud of those few but really sick of those parasites who posture about patriotism yet leave the pain to “other people’s children”. Now most of our representatives are service avoiders and - big surprise - couldn’t wait to make veteran’s hard-earned retirements the first and only thing cut.

Hope Paul Ryan and his democrat friends get voted out of office but I don’t have any hope that next people elected will be any better.


5 posted on 12/23/2013 4:54:02 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
In Robert Heinlien's Starship Troopers sci-fi novel and movie, only veterans can vote and hold office. Imagine that society.
6 posted on 12/23/2013 4:58:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But Ryan will support Amnesty and betray the American Worker NEXT!

HE NEEDS TO GO!


7 posted on 12/23/2013 5:00:57 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: rfreedom4u

Agree. Those are the programs that need cutting. I have seen an entire neighborhood that used to be a most desirable suburb practically turned into an expansion of the inner city thanks to Section 8 plus EBT and so many hand outs. The Vets and the retirees appear to be the only ones targeted.


8 posted on 12/23/2013 5:11:59 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I doubt that but a handfull in our house and senate understand this passage nor for that matter ever read it.

2 SAMUEL 19
1Word soon reached Joab that the king was weeping and mourning for Absalom. 2As the troops heard of the king’s deep grief for his son, the joy of that day’s victory was turned into deep sadness. 3They crept back into the city as though they were ashamed and had been beaten in battle. 4The king covered his face with his hands and kept on weeping, “O my son Absalom! O Absalom, my son, my son!”
5Then Joab went to the king’s room and said to him, “We saved your life today and the lives of your sons, your daughters, and your wives and concubines. Yet you act like this, making us feel ashamed, as though we had done something wrong. 6You seem to love those who hate you and hate those who love you. You have made it clear today that we mean nothing to you. If Absalom had lived and all of us had died, you would be pleased. 7Now go out there and congratulate the troops, for I swear by the LORD that if you don’t, not a single one of them will remain here tonight. Then you will be worse off than you have ever been.”

9 posted on 12/23/2013 5:26:43 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The long time motto of Congress: “Don’t Forget....FU*K The Vet!”

Nothing new here. Move along.


10 posted on 12/23/2013 5:28:25 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Chainmail

How much slack is Congress going to give us Vets when we make up less than 7% of the total population?

Think about that.


11 posted on 12/23/2013 5:31:42 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think that would be just fine.

Also, since this country has never had a Marine to serve as POTUS, I think it’s about time that we do.

General James Mattis for POTUS, 2016.

It’s about time that we have a C-I-C that has some balls.


12 posted on 12/23/2013 5:35:16 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: chicagolady

I concur.

I hope that PAUL RYAN gets his worthless Amnesty-Lovin ass tossed out of office in the coming primary.


13 posted on 12/23/2013 5:37:25 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: rfreedom4u

Thank you for your service, brother. Welcome Home.


14 posted on 12/23/2013 5:38:03 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Howie66

Oh I do. I think the thing might sway things for them will be if we stop providing their volunteers. They decide that we should dilute our combat troops with unqualified folks, just to keep things balanced and they also decided that we should just as happy as can be to have gay leaders taking care of our young people. All our equipment is “least bidder” specials and now even the promises they made to us after we wrecked our bodies are being broken.

OK, fine. Let’s keep our own kids home and let them figure who they’ll get to take burden.


15 posted on 12/23/2013 5:49:19 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Howie66

AMEN!!


16 posted on 12/23/2013 5:58:04 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Chainmail

Copy that.

I try to talk anybody out of enlisting as long as the Muzzie Infiltrator is in our White House.

I owe them that much.

At least President Nixon had our backs.


17 posted on 12/23/2013 5:59:28 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I contributed recently to the RNC and received a call from them this afternoon soliciting another contribution. I explained to the young man that I’m a military retiree, and because of Paul Ryan’s budget and what it does to military retirees, I’m making no more contributions to the Republican Party. I will only contribute money to and vote for Republicans who run against the current Republicans in the coming primaries. Our current Republicans in Congress have been associating with Democrats for so long they’ve become no different than Democrats and need to be replaced and sent home.


18 posted on 12/23/2013 5:59:50 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


19 posted on 12/23/2013 6:00:15 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: DJ Taylor

I wouldn’t give the RNC the sweat off my balls.

They have done nothing but stab us in the back.


20 posted on 12/23/2013 6:01:37 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
voted to slice the benefits of veterans

It's actually a one percent cut in the rate of increase beginning in 2015.

21 posted on 12/23/2013 6:06:29 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ryan is as big an A-hole as Soetoro. Fire his azz.


22 posted on 12/23/2013 6:16:21 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Thanks for the ping, JJ! Here is the roll-call:



Both of "my" Congress-critters voted for it - no surprise to me.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

23 posted on 12/23/2013 6:18:14 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Howie66

I miss ‘ol Nixon. Can you imagine what they would done to him if he’d done a tenth of what the current occupant has been doing?


24 posted on 12/23/2013 6:40:49 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

No joke.

Drawn and quartered?

Keel Hauled?

Tarred and feathered?

Or....they would have just hanged him for TREASON.

Then again, he was a White guy, Patriot and a Vet.


25 posted on 12/23/2013 7:57:07 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the headline is wrong. It’s retired veterans who are getting screwed. The rest of us veterans are waiting for ours.


26 posted on 12/23/2013 8:11:18 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NOW we see why the government wants to disarm vets.


27 posted on 12/23/2013 9:06:30 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Jet Jaguar; Jim Robinson; xzins
Thanks for posting this.

From the article:

Murray, for her part, promises a “fix” only to exempt disabled veterans.

That is not correct - Murray has backed off from even alleviating disabled veterans of the cuts to their retirement pensions. She and Ryan are now spewing rhetoric to cover their butts, by saying that "those service members retired for medical reasons."

2nd Division Vet, you and I both know that is a very small group of individuals, many of those medically retired before 20 years had non-combat related conditions (such as cancer, Lupus, or other ailments), the process is laborious, and it does not cover to retirees who have legitimate combat or service related injuries and who fought the Veterans Administration for years to get even a small percentage rating acknowledging their injuries. God bless our medically retired military - they earned that right to retire early, but the public should NOT be fooled. Ryan's bread crumb offering "fix" to our military is only a smoke screen

Ryan and Murray and hawking this proposal to quell the public outrage. It is deceptive, and it is further evidence of their complete malfeasance.

Even as I type this, they are scheming.

By excluding the proposed "fix" to only medically retired, Hagel can screw over the military to the full intent - and this was the purpose of this entire sneak attack. He intends to use this "victory" of making retiree pensions degraded through inflation to even further erode all benefits for retired and currently serving military: TRICARE, compensation, further retirement changes, housing, eliminating civil service retirement for veterans, eliminating concurrent receipt of VA payments to disabled retirees, elimination of military pay raises altogether, and increased taxes on the military troops and retirees (although they won't call it a tax).

This pension theft must be eliminated for all military. If there are reforms to be made, they need to be properly vetted in the public sphere, and if they are introduced in an honest manner (unlike this budget deal abortion), then veterans and military serving will at least know what to expect and plead for fairness and equability.

The fight has only just begun. The first thing we should do is pray. If God Almighty is before us, we cannot be defeated.

"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?"

Romans 8:31

The second thing we should do is join a veterans or military advocacy organization.

The third thing we should do is contact our Senators and Representatives.

I guarantee you that they, and their staffers, are reading the news posts and the comments. I have. They are OVERWHELMINGLY filled with outrage from the American people. Still, that is not enough - as Washington DC holds the people in contempt. We must politically fight them. With God's help, we will win.

28 posted on 12/24/2013 4:55:18 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: DJ Taylor
I contributed recently to the RNC and received a call from them this afternoon soliciting another contribution. I explained to the young man that I’m a military retiree, and because of Paul Ryan’s budget and what it does to military retirees, I’m making no more contributions to the Republican Party. I will only contribute money to and vote for Republicans who run against the current Republicans in the coming primaries.

Good for you.

Usually, those people working the phones must log in the reason for the person receiving the call said they would not donate. The RNC uses this as an informal "poll" of where they have gone wrong.

I pray your conversation was repeated 1,000 times by other real Americans.

29 posted on 12/24/2013 5:01:05 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: cva66snipe
2 SAMUEL 19

Very poignant - thank you. Merry Christmas.

30 posted on 12/24/2013 5:03:02 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Lumper20
I have seen an entire neighborhood that used to be a most desirable suburb practically turned into an expansion of the inner city thanks to Section 8 plus EBT and so many hand outs. The Vets and the retirees appear to be the only ones targeted.

I had to move a few years ago - the town I lived in started to go rapidly downhill. Crime went ballistic. We discovered that a town several miles away had closed its housing project - and the Federal government gave them all Section 8 vouchers to move into three different apartment complexes in our town. It didn't take long. The schools became violent and unsafe for even little children. Illegal drugs and the drug trade became epidemic - even in parks adjacent to several homes. Two subdivisions that had basketball courts that the residents paid for became overrun with gangs.

Yet - these programs are not cut, but disabled military and military retirees are.

31 posted on 12/24/2013 5:07:47 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To her credit, New Hampshire Republican(?) Sen. Jeanne Shaheen offered a bill to revoke the cuts and to pay the costs by “eliminating a tax loophole for offshore corporations.”

Not to the New York Daily News's credit, Sheenhan is a democRat...

And I can't believe it, but I support her bill! I REALLY hope some Republicans of the Conservative stripe join her!!!!

32 posted on 12/24/2013 5:27:05 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: SkyPilot

Merry Christmas :>}


33 posted on 12/24/2013 7:11:46 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would write my RAT “representatives” and dress them down as they deserve, but they have no shame anyway, so I’ll save my energy...

What a damnable piece of legislation...rot in hell Ryan and the rest of you bastards who signed on to this.

Spit!


34 posted on 12/24/2013 7:21:25 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: cva66snipe

And you as well!


35 posted on 12/24/2013 7:41:15 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Jean Shaheen, the New Hampshire Abortion Queen and defender of RAT Voter Fraud is a RAT, not a Republican.

She is up for re-election this year and was a big lying proponent of Obamacare and is feeling the heat!

This act is an attempt to make up for six years of betraying America and the State of New Hampshire. It will not work!

36 posted on 12/24/2013 9:24:34 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfusbutcher)
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