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NPR Debate on Utah Polygamy Ruling Shows Case's Far-Reaching Effects
Breitbart's Big Journalism ^ | December 23, 2013 | Professor Ken Klukowski, Liberty Univ Law School

Posted on 12/24/2013 2:39:07 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

On Dec. 23, I debated George Washington Law Prof. Jonathan Turley on NPR’s “On Point” regarding his court fight to legalize polygamy. This is a bigger issue for American society than it may seem at first, since it ultimately reflects two different views on the meaning of the U.S. Constitution and what it means to live in a free society.

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As Breitbart News previously reported, on Dec. 13 Judge Clark Waddoup in Utah declared that the U.S. Constitution includes a right to marry more than one person at a time (i.e., polygamy) in Brown v. Buhman. Therefore, Utah’s law limiting marriage to two persons is invalid. One week later, another Utah federal judge declared a right to same-sex marriage and labeled all traditional-marriage laws “irrational.”

Waddoup’s opinion also goes beyond “traditional” polygamy of one man with multiple women, which is technically called polygyny. His ruling would also encompass polyandry (one woman with multiple men, almost unheard of in America, but found in some places in the Far East), and polyamory, which involves multiple men and women, usually in bisexual relationships and pushed by certain groups in the country.....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; judiciary; polygamy; utah

1 posted on 12/24/2013 2:39:07 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmph!

Most people find it difficult to deal with just one other person in a marital relationship. The Arabs have a saying: one key in your pocket is silent; two keys make a jangle.

My belief is that western civilization has been successful because of the cultural emphasis on monogamy as the norm. The various forms of multiple marriage partners has, in fact, existed as alternative lifestyles in what can only be called “counter-cultural”; never accepted as anywhere near the norm and in fact illegal.

Will such marriages come out into the open? Sure.

Will they endure and be widespread? Doubtful.


2 posted on 12/24/2013 2:53:58 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
what it means to live in a free society

That's when I get to sit at home, and the government sends me checks, and food cards, and phones, and medical care, right? Just like the Constitution says it should. Then me and my three wives go dancing. That's what this country is founded upon!

3 posted on 12/24/2013 3:03:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

scum of the earth, selfish, egotistical cowardly men and women with NO brains.

I’m an open minded person....THIS is where I draw the line.

If I EVER had the chance to run into Cody Brown, aggghhh.


4 posted on 12/24/2013 3:49:43 AM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you have no standards, such as changing the definition of a word, marriage (that has meant the union of one man and one woman for millennia), to make some people feel better about themselves.........you have NO STANDARDS.


5 posted on 12/24/2013 4:10:32 AM PST by originalbuckeye (quality)
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To: originalbuckeye
When you have no standards, such as changing the definition of a word ...

These are people who espouse that demonic doctrine of a 'living Constitution' so redefining marriage is a short exercise in 'illogic' or perhaps 'contra-logic'!

6 posted on 12/24/2013 4:28:42 AM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

like avortion, the pill and no fault divorces were not already polygamist loopholes.


7 posted on 12/24/2013 4:42:58 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

MUSLIM HAREEMS - COMING SOON TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!!!


8 posted on 12/24/2013 5:04:07 AM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Polygamy will make for some interesting spousal conversations.

"Um, honey - I've met someone else. No, no, I don't want a divorce. I want you to meet her, and help her move in. We'll get a King sized bed. This will be fun for both of us, I promise".

I foresee two possible responses, neither of them good.

"Well, big boy, I've got some news for you. Meet Bill. He's already got dibs on the extra space in that King size bed. This will be fun for both of us, I promise." Or:

"OMG, woman! Put down that gun."

9 posted on 12/24/2013 5:12:40 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the State must force me to acknowledge its power to declare two men to be “married”, then I must support efforts to remove that power from the State. If people who don’t want God defining their personal morality demand a separation of church and State then let us also have separation of marriage and State as well. If those people don’t want any displays of the Ten Commandments in government buildings, they cannot hide behind the Commandments that protect marriage when it comes marriage that God cannot sanction.


10 posted on 12/24/2013 5:16:00 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The decision upheld the portion of Utah's polygamy statute which resembles the bigamy statutes in every other state of the union. It struck down the unique provision of Utah's law which it made it illegal for a married person to co-habit with another person as well. Such unions make no claim of legal marriage or the benefits of the same, and are and have been effectively legal in every other state. (I say "effectively" because some states retain, but do not enforce, adultery statutes.) The only people against whom the invalidated portion of the Utah statute was enforced were members of plural-marriage-endorsing Mormon denominations. Pure religious discrimination.
11 posted on 12/24/2013 5:19:59 AM PST by only1percent
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To: theBuckwheat

Actually, that thought goes quite well with the ‘separation of Church and State’ crowd....of course, not to that logical conclusion you espoused so well.

Heads would explode.


12 posted on 12/24/2013 6:34:28 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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