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AP: Military Personnel Make Enough Money to Survive Pension Cuts
Brietbart Big Government ^ | December 23, 2013 | Awr Hawkins

Posted on 12/24/2013 6:25:34 AM PST by Zakeet

With veterans' groups fighting against cuts in military pensions, the Associated Press (AP) is out with a story suggesting that in light of active duty military pay, healthcare, and "quality of life" benefits, retiring military personnel should be able to the weather the cuts that Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) has pushed through.

According to the AP, "compensation" for active duty military "is competitive with the private sector."

They try to bolster this point by showing that "an Army private with fewer than two years of service and no dependents earns on average about $40,000 annually." Later in the paragraph they clarify that the $40,000 is not all salary--only two thirds of it is. The other third is food and housing allowance.

So these privates are only getting about $33,000 a year to go overseas and become targets for Al Qaeda and other terrorists groups, but it is still okay to cut their pensions?

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1 posted on 12/24/2013 6:25:34 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Just a note: their pensions are not what they earn while A/D. Just remember that.


2 posted on 12/24/2013 6:27:30 AM PST by Shimmer1 (don 't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference)
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To: Zakeet

I’ll comment.

I am not a military member, nor do I have any US pension, but I do not have a problem with our veterans being taken care of by our government.

Go USA.


3 posted on 12/24/2013 6:27:55 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty, bring him back...)
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To: Zakeet

military should not be treated differently then any other federal employee or elected federal position.

You know, that 14th amendment thing.


4 posted on 12/24/2013 6:28:00 AM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: Zakeet

All Congressmen, Senators, federal judges, and members of the Executive Branch should be able to sustain the same cuts being made to our disabled veterans. And NO WHINING from these parasites if the warriors are to shut up about their cuts.


5 posted on 12/24/2013 6:29:04 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Zakeet

Looks like the AP is now getting its marching orders to try and save the bacon of Ryan and the rest of the Progressive Republican establishment.

Game on guys, and gals.


6 posted on 12/24/2013 6:30:18 AM PST by mazda77
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To: edcoil

As soon as those federal employees or elected officials put themselves in harms way, are separated from their families for a year or more, and work jobs which won’t allow them to go home at night I’d agree with treating the military the same.


7 posted on 12/24/2013 6:30:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Zakeet

I’m a Vet. The sooner we ALL realize that we’re Free Agents and that absolutely NOTHING promised us from Mother Government will EVER come to pass the way it was promised, the better off we’ll all be.

There’s not going to BE ‘retirement’ for any generation beyond ours. There’s not going to BE Social Security and the healthcare system in America is being destroyed right before our very eyes.

If we haven’t planned for our OWN prosperity and needs as we age, we’re dinked.

A LOT of us are dinked.


8 posted on 12/24/2013 6:31:05 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Zakeet

Anyone recall Pelosi’s statement that a cut in pay or benefits would be an “affront to the dignity” of congress critters?


9 posted on 12/24/2013 6:31:39 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Zakeet

Via x-box spying they creeped-out young people, and now with fears of looming dictatorship they decide to anger the MILITARY...?

WOW.


10 posted on 12/24/2013 6:32:20 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Zakeet
Yesterday I wrote a response to Paul Ryan, doubling down on this. I will add all the press into it too that somehow thinks this is a good idea.

Sorry, Paul, Boehner, other congressmen, Senators, and any and all press who believe this is some kind of good idea, and that those being subjected to it can "afford it." Your are completely wrong-headed and out of touch on this.

Anyone who thinks it is somehow okay to reduce the cost of living adjustments for working age military retirees, does not understand who we are talking about. Or if they do, as I said, the are completely wrong-headed and out of touch.

For those suggesting such a travesty, I suggest that they just try the following simple experiment to help them understand exactly what they are doing.

Experiment for all supporters of the idea to cut military retirees cost of living:

Each of person who believes working age military retirees should have their cost of living adjustments be cut should voluntarily sign up with the US Army, US Marines, or some other branch of US military service. They should then voluntarily go into harm's way fighting the enemies of this nation, particularly those who would have no qualms in slaughtering you by hacking your head off in front of a live camera.

Then, while so engaged in that fight, step on, or drive over an IED device that literally blows your arms and/or legs off. Survive that horrific experience, and then come home to live the rest of your life with those disabilities...in a veteran's administration that looks for every way possible to deny you care and rehabilitation over the long term.

Then have some pencil necked geeks in Washington DC tell them that they somehow "owe" it to the country to give up their cost of living adjustments to...while those same geeks earn $150,000+ dollars a year coming up with such ideas.

Only then will you be qualified to make such a suggestion...but then, having lived through that, they never would make such a suggestion in the first place on the backs of those who have already given so much.

America at the Crossroads of History

11 posted on 12/24/2013 6:33:21 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Zakeet

What is the average salary of a school teacher after two years service based upon a 183 day work year with generous personal, sick, career enhancement days, paid holidays, and vacation?


12 posted on 12/24/2013 6:33:59 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Zakeet

This is a ball face lie..My husband is retired military and when we retired we both had to get work to survive with three children school age..also there are so many family’s barely surviving now on the salary they get some are on welfare..

I think Obama is trying to cut back all military so he can put his troop full of MUSLIMS in the military..and don’t laught I would not putanything past this bunch of fools..


13 posted on 12/24/2013 6:35:13 AM PST by PLD
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To: Zakeet

Meanwhile the Dictator in our WH and his witch travel and party on our $$. There is no profanity adequate to describe these two vermin or their cohorts in Congress. RATs and RINOs must be voted out in 2014 and 2016.


14 posted on 12/24/2013 6:36:13 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Zakeet
This government can no longer be trusted....


15 posted on 12/24/2013 6:37:46 AM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Zakeet

It should also be noted that its quite possible to get more than this from the various welfare programs without ever having to lift a finger.

These pensions are being cut but welfare is being increased.


16 posted on 12/24/2013 6:38:07 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Zakeet

I love it when people decide what”other people need;” when it comes to their own budget, they use a whole different concept.


17 posted on 12/24/2013 6:39:39 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Zakeet

Illegals, of course, can’t take less than 10 cents of what they were promised...


18 posted on 12/24/2013 6:41:54 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: edcoil

I spent a LOT of time living in tents in Saudi Arabia and using communal showers and latrines. My last combat tour was in Afghanistan in 2007. And you know, I did not meet “any other federal employee or elected federal position” people there...in spite of sharing the crapper with 5,000 of my closest friends when at PSAB!


19 posted on 12/24/2013 6:42:02 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Zakeet
tis good to be king...therefore, why be a soldier when anyone can be a king...!!!!!

Semper Watching!
*****

20 posted on 12/24/2013 6:43:25 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Mr Rogers; edcoil

There wouldn’t be a 14th amendment without people putting their lives on the line.

How many public union members are in that group? very darn few


21 posted on 12/24/2013 6:44:06 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: darkwing104

It never could be trusted.


22 posted on 12/24/2013 6:45:30 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: mazda77

Ryan is a scumbag.


23 posted on 12/24/2013 6:46:35 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

When I went into the USMC in 1966, it was more-or-less free of charge...an E-1 Private was paid less than 97 bucks a month.


24 posted on 12/24/2013 6:50:24 AM PST by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: Zakeet

Three points:

One - my sister-in-law gets a sickeningly fat retirement from the state of Minnesota as a retired state employee. No cuts there.

Two - there is so much Medicare fraud going on and that could easily pay for this supposedly necessary cut to military retirement. No action to stop the fraud.

Three - the budget deal affected Govt civil service employees, but only the new ones. Currently serving civilians had no such comparable retirement reduction. How is that fair? Oh, I forgot, the military doesn’t vote Dem (by and large).


25 posted on 12/24/2013 6:52:20 AM PST by USNA74
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Well said Diana.

The military better be ready to lead, regardless of the hardship. Someone has to, who better. and I’m one of them and have stated repeatedly that I’d better be ready to shoulder a forty percent cut in anything received from government and equal to how much the country is borrowing on an annual basis, or I’m not worth what I’m paid by the good citizens of this country digging deep for their active duty, retired, and veterans.


26 posted on 12/24/2013 6:52:27 AM PST by wita
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To: Jeff Head
Each of person who believes working age military retirees should have their cost of living adjustments be cut should voluntarily sign up with the US Army, US Marines, or some other branch of US military service. They should then voluntarily go into harm's way fighting the enemies of this nation, particularly those who would have no qualms in slaughtering you by hacking your head off in front of a live camera.

Then, while so engaged in that fight, step on, or drive over an IED device that literally blows your arms and/or legs off. Survive that horrific experience, and then come home to live the rest of your life with those disabilities...in a veteran's administration that looks for every way possible to deny you care and rehabilitation over the long term.

“Then have some pencil necked geeks in Washington DC tell them that they somehow “owe” it to the country to give up their cost of living adjustments to...while those same geeks earn $150,000+ dollars a year coming up with such ideas.

Only then will you be qualified to make such a suggestion...but then, having lived through that, they never would make such a suggestion in the first place on the backs of those who have already given so much.”
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Absolutely Correct and this has been going on for a long time. I turned 17 in basic training in 1960 and can remember being eligible for welfare at least once. I was told by some newly Ensign that if the Navy wanted me to have a wife and daughter they would have issued them to me. Staying in for 23 years was really tough.

27 posted on 12/24/2013 6:54:28 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: USNA74

Take a look at who is committing the fraud and it will provide a clue as to why little is being done.

Here in Tampa there is a company called Wellcare. They committed in the neighborhood of $300 million in fraud. They paid a fine of around $120 million but were allowed to stay in business.

Soros is one of their investors.


28 posted on 12/24/2013 6:55:21 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Zakeet

So do politicians.


29 posted on 12/24/2013 6:56:00 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Zakeet

“make enough money”

Great!

Now I’ll decide how much is “enough” for you!!!!

Communist Bastards!!!


30 posted on 12/24/2013 6:56:58 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Zakeet

Bill Clinton collected that Cold War Peace Dividend from the military back in the 90s. I want the government to collect The War On Poverty Peace Dividend now.


31 posted on 12/24/2013 6:57:06 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Zakeet

AP forgot to add, “and Merry Christmas!”


32 posted on 12/24/2013 6:57:36 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: jospehm20

He knew all about these cut and did nothing to correct it and then tried to justify the inadvertent mistake that will be corrected in the future.

Hey he promised - oh wait did’nt the vets hear that before, never mind.

Back stabbing and lying before and now is still back stabbing and lying.


33 posted on 12/24/2013 7:05:48 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: darkwing104

Exactly. The dum fock Ryan out there doubling down on his stupidity is maddening.


34 posted on 12/24/2013 7:11:50 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Zakeet

Me either. The best I will say is that they are National Socialist Democrat propagandists who deserve the fate of the Third Reich.


35 posted on 12/24/2013 7:12:46 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Zakeet

i made about $15k a year as a private if i remember right. i think congressional pay and benefits should BY LAW be equal to an E-1 private


36 posted on 12/24/2013 7:16:35 AM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

AP numbers are bullshit. An E-1 makes $1,500 a month, or $18K in annual pay. E-1 w/o defendants live in the barracks and eat in the mess hall. Medical care in at the base clinic or hospital. So that is a take home pay of about $1,200 or less a month.

Not really sure what that has to do with cutting retiree pay. An E-7 with 20 years gets about $2,100 a month before taxes, or about $25,000 a year per tax. Not too bad, but being too young to also get SS, you can’t live off it.

And unlike welfare, there is no extra money for the kiddies.

I would not have a problem w/ this if everyone else in govt. took a cut too, including all social programs.


37 posted on 12/24/2013 7:16:35 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I would bet $$ to doughnuts that, unlike the COLAs for SS/Military/etc., there has never been any ‘tweaks’ DOWN in Congressional/Judicial/etc. ‘retirement’ pay.

Otherwise, you’re spot on. Gov’t’s word is not binding nor truthful (just ask those that live on the reservations).

Of course, if gov’t HAD followed the Constitution, your point re: being there would be moot.


38 posted on 12/24/2013 7:21:09 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Zakeet
They try to bolster this point by showing that "an Army private with fewer than two years of service and no dependents earns on average about $40,000 annually." Later in the paragraph they clarify that the $40,000 is not all salary--only two thirds of it is. The other third is food and housing allowance.

If bullshit were bullion, this guy would walk on streets of gold. Pardon my language.

My teenage son with no dependents is on active duty, is a private, and takes home $1,200 a month, which by my math works out to $14,400 per year. He pays for his incidentals, paid for his dress uniform and had to pay for his plane ticket home for Christmas leave.

Paul Ryan is beneath contempt to me now.

39 posted on 12/24/2013 7:22:51 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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Boy, with as much energy and digging as they put into this little load of bullshit, I’d love to see the same done for the hustlers and freeloaders.

How much does an illegal or baby mama make per year AP? Let’s include every slick nickel the taxpayers give them, should be an eye opening experiment.

What’s that you say? Shouldn’t compare the takers to those who sacrifice?

The point is this, those numbers include every nickel a military member could possibly be making. But as many servicemembers will tell you, not all get all the pay and allowances.

A retired E7 loses a large portion of this “salary” when they retire...base pay is the only pay that is calculated...then any VA disability and the offset if not higher than 50% or combat related (I think I have that right)...

Getting real tired of the gymnastics these bastards are going through to mischaracterize and misrepresent what the real situation is...

but it’s so typical of lying scum who would sell their mothers into prostitution if it made them a buck or helped in their climb up the ladder...


40 posted on 12/24/2013 7:35:36 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Zakeet
No cuts for the welfare crowd??? Paul Ryan deserves ALL of the ire he's receiving, and then some. This man has no honor. The 8 wealthiest counties in the country surround DC, including DC.

Where are most of the children of our illustrious representatives working? The vast majority of them are in the private sector. At least Great Britain has a vestige of honor left amongst their nobility... the royal lads have been under arms a time or two. I would add that their salaries aren't likely to be as much of a factor in their lifestyles, as that of a US military member.

Just typing this makes my blood boil.

Military pay isn't remotely close to matching the civilian equivalent salary market. They struggle on a daily basis to make ends meet. In working, their salaries, hardly, if at all, surpass the welfare crowd when taking in all of their benefits, whom DO NOT WORK!

I was an airborne heavy drop parachute rigger (43 ECHO), and a precision free-fall parachute demonstrator (United States Army Parachute Team). Both jobs are highly specialized, and are recognized as such in the civilian world.

Civilian riggers and parachute test jumpers worked for NASA, and all of the flight testing contractors like Boeing, Lockheed- Martin, General Dynamics, Grumman, Martin Baker, etc. They also worked as contractors for all branches of the military via their parent companies (NGO contractors).

I made $8,000 in 1982, as an E-1 and as an E-2.

In 1983, I made a whopping $9,000, receiving a promotion to E-3.

In 1984, my income soared to $10,000, and with it, a promotion to E-4.

I was married with one child, living off post. My salary included separate rations and basic allowance for quarters.

Financially, it was the toughest time of my adult life.

I found a house renting for $150.00 a month in Spring Lake, NC., sitting on 6 acres in the country. Half of the year, it was scenic (summer). In the winter, once the grass and weeds withered, the automobile bumpers that the owner stored on the land (5.5 acres worth) could be seen, and it was indeed quite the sight/eyesore.

41 posted on 12/24/2013 7:39:05 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: Zakeet

It’s Hillary Clinton’s dream come true.


42 posted on 12/24/2013 7:50:23 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

my sentiments too!! I joined just before viet nam, but served during the period of TET - so at first there was no GI bill, just a chance to man up and travel. Seemed like a good deal. Now they sign up for a paid college bonus and 40K when I was overseas I earned 120 a month as a Sargent. If you called home it cost $5.00 a minute. Now Skype...someone needs to get a perspective of the changes.


43 posted on 12/24/2013 8:09:13 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: q_an_a

I was a Navy Wife in a previous life, as well as being in the CAARNG. We were living outside of San Diego, ‘80-81 and between us brought home $700 a month - $500 of which was rent, LOL! No on-base housing for lowly pukes like us!

Those were the Gravy Days for us at the start of our military careers. *SMILE*


44 posted on 12/24/2013 8:52:01 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Zakeet

Well I certainly didn’t earn that much!

When I enlisted my base pay was $133 per month (1969).

Over the years it gradually increased so that in 1989 my take home pay (after taxes and all that) was about $3300 per month. I managed to live.

When Carter capped our pay in the 70’s I had to work a part time job to afford to feed my family. We had no credit cards but owned a home and had a car payment. There were no food stamps to be received.

When I retired I got 50% of my base pay - so when I retired in 1989 my retirement pay before taxes was about 1350 bucks.

What I can find for the 2013 chart says an E-2 with more than 2 years service earns 1717.00 per month - thats a far cry from 40 grand per year!


45 posted on 12/24/2013 8:57:26 AM PST by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: driftdiver

To add to your list - move as often as every 18 months so you have no home and your spouse has no job; have every promise made to you written in disappearing ink; be unable to write laws to improve your financial condition; have to wait with a sick child instead of going to the front of the line; and the list goes on.

BTW - in 1978 Congress voted themselves a $500 per day tax exemption because it was so expensive to live inside the beltway. Three years earlier that’s what I was paid per month for flying combat in SEA. So, I guess it was 30 times more dangerous to live and work inside the beltway than it was in Vietnam. A question if you please - where are the KIA, WIA, and MIA lists for Congress critters from that era?

And they wonder why no one respects them?


46 posted on 12/24/2013 9:36:10 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: Nip

I think welfare cuts are survivable too


47 posted on 12/24/2013 9:37:06 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

oh yea - in Europe off base housing for those under e3 was outrageous. But the PX was cheap. LOL I’m not liking the four one year tours or even four 6 month tours in “combat” areas, when the natives are less than helpful. But every like me volunteered - it was our way and theirs to get away and make something of your life.


48 posted on 12/24/2013 9:37:34 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Zakeet
You know the rules- you post / you comment.

Thanks to all former and active duty freepers chiming in today.

I find it ironic / in fact, down right hilarious that the spell check underlines with red color, the word freeper, or any variant thereof.

Merry Christmas ya’ crazy bunch of freepers... and, may I proselytize the following: I am / we are - all - Phil Robertsons!

Thank you.

49 posted on 12/24/2013 9:49:29 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: freepersup; All

Dang nab it Muskie... I meant to post to all!

For your listening and dining pleasure ladies and gentlemen-

My post meant for all.

>>> You know the rules- you post / you comment.

Thanks to all former and active duty freepers chiming in today.

I find it ironic / in fact, down right hilarious that the spell check underlines with red color, the word freeper, or any variant thereof.

Merry Christmas ya’ crazy bunch of freepers... and, may I proselytize the following: I am / we are - all - Phil Robertsons!

Thank you. <<<


50 posted on 12/24/2013 9:53:44 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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