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Education gap for Latinos persists
Monterey Herald ^ | 12/22/2013 | MARTHA MENDOZA

Posted on 12/24/2013 8:00:24 AM PST by artichokegrower

As Latinos surpass white Californians in population next year, the state becomes a potential model for the rest of the country, which is going through a slower but similar demographic shift.

But when it comes to how California is educating students of color, many say the state serves as a model of what not to do.

In California, 52 percent of the state's 6 million school children are Latino, just 26 percent are white. And Latino students in general are getting worse educations than their white peers. Their class sizes are larger, course offerings are fewer and funding is lower.

The consequence is obvious: lower achievement.

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"Ultimately we will face a crisis where a majority of the U.S. population will be economically disadvantaged, which will reduce their spending power and contribution to taxes and Social Security, impacting all segments of society and our country's economic health."

Thank you open border crowd.

1 posted on 12/24/2013 8:00:24 AM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
"As Latinos surpass white Californians in population next year…"

Shouldn't that be "Illegal Latinos surpass…."?

2 posted on 12/24/2013 8:02:45 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: artichokegrower
"Ultimately we will face a crisis where a majority of the U.S. population will be economically disadvantaged..."

Poor phrasing. When the majority is poorer, that becomes the new normal, and pulls everyone else down with it.

3 posted on 12/24/2013 8:03:13 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: artichokegrower

This is by design, children of the ruling class will get good private educations; those of us in the intended slave class must be kept ignorant. The objective is to eliminate the middle class and upward economic mobility. I do believe the model they are looking for comes from the dark ages.

What makes many minorities vulnerable to educational dumbing down is language. Far too many blacks don’t want to learn proper English and far too many Hispanics don’t want to learn English at all.


4 posted on 12/24/2013 8:06:27 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: artichokegrower

No matter how you work it, Latino or Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Latinos or Hispanics can be of any race.

Anytime you read an article that tries to equate an ethnicity with a race, you can be assured there is either an agenda or a stupid writer (or both).


5 posted on 12/24/2013 8:06:33 AM PST by Random Access
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To: artichokegrower
In California, 52 percent of the state's 6 million school children are Latino,

For better or worse, these kids are a snapshot of the furure of CA. Their poor educational performance means few of them will be high wage earners and thus, will take more from the pot than they contribute. The only good news as we morph into third worldism, is that CA won't have a tax base to pay for their excessive regulations.

6 posted on 12/24/2013 8:06:39 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: artichokegrower

I don’t see it reducing their spending power. We live in the central valley which is inundated with illegals, Mexicans, and their kids. Every store I have been to lately has been rather empty except one. We have a Mexican market here that I order tamales from for a Christmas Eve gathering. I went to pick them up yesterday and you couldn’t get down the aisles of the store they were so busy. Told my friend.....guess with all those ebt cards they are eating well.


7 posted on 12/24/2013 8:09:32 AM PST by sheana
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To: artichokegrower
Why does the gap persist? Are Latinos incapable of learning as well as whites? Is the state of CA failing to invest in the education of Latino students? Are Latino students denied a public education? Does Latino culture in some way work against the education of students? Are Latino students studying as hard as, say, Asian students? Why do Asian students do well and Latino students do poorly?
8 posted on 12/24/2013 8:11:36 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: artichokegrower

THIS is BS
“And Latino students in general are getting worse educations than their white peers. Their class sizes are larger, course offerings are fewer and funding is lower. “
Unless calif segregated the schools so “whites” go to completely different schools

AND as has been pointed out here latino is NOT a race.

what a BS article


9 posted on 12/24/2013 8:12:56 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: artichokegrower

I submit it is not the state who is at fault. They have done everything on their part.

There is another party involved - look to them for the reason for failure.


10 posted on 12/24/2013 8:13:35 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: quadrant

I know this might sound very basic. But it would help if everyone had a job. It would help if people got married first before having children. It would help if so many teenagers weren’t getting pregnant, taking drugs, and destroying their bodies with ghastly tattooes and piercings. It would help if there was a work ethic. It would help if the teachers unions did not exist. It would help if people lived within their means. It would REALLY help if they allowed oil drilling in CA especially in the Monterey shale area....that would solve a lot of the state’s revenue problems.


11 posted on 12/24/2013 8:18:05 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: artichokegrower
It's amazing that Liberals all think that the races are equal. They believe that all are equally smart, and the only reason why some races score below others is because the White man does not throw enough education money at them.

When the economy completely collapses in the near future, due to the insane economic policies of the Liberals, there won't be any money for education.

Without governmental interference, the "Garbage will sink to the bottom, while the cream will rise to the top," and there won't be a damn thing the Liberals can do about it.

12 posted on 12/24/2013 8:19:02 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: artichokegrower

California has decided it wanted the job of providing social-services and welfare to Mexico’s lowest classes. And the ruling elites of socialist/crony-capitalist Mexico are more than happy to send these people to California.

And people wonder why “educational achievement” is lower.....


13 posted on 12/24/2013 8:19:49 AM PST by PGR88
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To: RWGinger

Hispanics are a large and diverse group, Latinos are a large but indentifiable group. The majority of Hispanics in CA are Latino and as a group (not a race) they do not excell in the area of education. Due to their large percentage of the CA population, this is not good regardless of why they underperform. This is an unsustainable trend.


14 posted on 12/24/2013 8:20:32 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: artichokegrower

Pick any school district and you will find students who are successful and those that are not. This completely negates the money meme as the expenditure per student within a particular school district is the same for every student.

So if money spent per student is not an issue, why the disparity of results within a single school district?

Overwhelmingly, the students that do well come from a two parent household. Overwhelmingly, the students that do not do well come from a single parent household.

This means that the solution for poor school performance is not spending more money per student, but finding ways to convince young people to not have kids until they are married and once they are married, to stay that way for as long as possible.

Be we all know what happened when Bill Cosby said this same thing.


15 posted on 12/24/2013 8:25:57 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: artichokegrower

Socialist nirvana! It’s what happens when people are conditioned to rely upon government for their every need. Government will ensure that you remain poor, ignorant and dependent, yet retain that sense of entitlement!


16 posted on 12/24/2013 8:32:17 AM PST by old school
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To: umgud

What else can the schools do?
They have done far more than they should and wasted far more taxpayer money that is warranted

Until the parents step up not much can be done.
How likely is that to happen?


17 posted on 12/24/2013 8:32:58 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: umgud

How’s that bilingual bicultural education working out?


18 posted on 12/24/2013 8:34:50 AM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

This is crap. There is not a single person of my age (79) who could not, if given the power, correct what is screwed up with what is supposed to pass as “EDUCATION” in today’s USA.
For 200 years the American education system turned out children who grew up to create, from scratch, the greatest country in the history of mankind.
Look at what American education is doing now. Disgraceful isn’t it?


19 posted on 12/24/2013 8:38:13 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: quadrant

It is intentional....Sanger and the John Dewey types hated minorities and actually wanted to kill them. There is a NWO agenda-—and it is to reduce man to godless animal (marxism).

You destroy Knowledge and Wisdom and cultivate base instincts. All “education” especially in the inner cities was destroyed by Dewey and the Marxists like Dr. Counts and Dr. Ruggs who wrote the curricula. and it is all dripping with Wundtian Psychology (to program). Destroy Reason. (Leipzig Connection).

Prior to that, education could take really poor kids and create giants—kids with the intellect of a Ted Cruz or a Thomas Sowell. Why-—because true education is teaching Virtue (Classical Education).

(Virtue is excellence/Wisdom/Courage/Temperance and Fortitude). Socrates stated (and Founders knew) that the only purpose of Education was to teach Virtue.)

Virtue was targeted with Curricula by Gramsci and Lukacs to destroy Virtue in children started in the 30s. By the 60s—Gramsci’s techniques were fully implemented at the Teacher’s College in Chicago and Columbia-——we are being herded and manipulated-—kids are being programmed and filled with misinformation and sexualized to destroy the ability to use Reason and Logic and be moral.

It is intentional for the NWO-—they need addicted slaves/masses-—not emotionally moral, strong intellectuals like a Ted Cruz. Imagine a world with a bunch of Ted Cruzes running around (they drug those boys now in public schools)......v. barney franks who are more interested in money and power over young men....and could care less about what happens in the wake of their evil practices.

Virtue is necessary for Freedom. Schools teach “Pride” in evil and dysfunction—destroying Logic and Reason and Christian Ethics. It is intentional....people like Ben Carson and Phil Robertson are very dangerous to the elites who want slaves only. Wisdom is the ability to discern between Good and Evil (Cicero) and Truth is erased in the minds of children. Moral Relativism has been taught since the 30s-—and blatantly since the 60s to erase Objective Truth.

Sex Ed is their greates tool to warp kids and destroy innocence and their natural sexual identity formation-—easiest way to destroy Reason is to incite passions......http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/radical-georg-lukacs_to-achieve-the-communist-utopia-lukacs-launched-a-graphical-radical-sex-education-program-promoting-free-love-and-promiscuity/

Mexican kids who have loving father and mother who take interest in their children’s “education” can be brilliant-—I’ve seen first generation Mexican kids who were very intelligent-—if read to and exposed to high culture and not left to public school indoctrination. Catholic schools are the same now as the public schools unless they have retrieved Classical Education which could educate everyone. Literacy rate for Blacks prior to John Dewey was 90% even with Jim crow.


20 posted on 12/24/2013 8:40:05 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: artichokegrower

They were going to save social security, not it turns out they cannot fund anything more than a liquor store.


21 posted on 12/24/2013 8:44:20 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: RWGinger
Until the parents step up not much can be done. How likely is that to happen?

Bingo! The parents come from a culture that does not value education and they pass that to their children. No amount of money can fix that.

22 posted on 12/24/2013 8:51:57 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: artichokegrower

Notice how this article ignores the “white Hispanic” PC, and makes a strong distinction between “Hispanics” and “whites?” When discussing crime statistics or non black demographics, Hispanics become white for liberal convenience, but when Hispanics need to be a special demographic, separate from whites, a strong distinction appears.


23 posted on 12/24/2013 8:55:14 AM PST by pallis
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To: artichokegrower

I can point to five education edifices in the downtown Los Angeles vicinity that cost over $500 million to build, whose students are almost all the children of illegal aliens.

Don’t talk to me about the supposed underfunding of these kids.

We pay the taxes for these kids schools, then pay for private eduction for our own kids, so they’ll be safe and not spend their time being indoctrinated to the Left’s agenda by teachers who do the union’s bidding.


24 posted on 12/24/2013 9:05:58 AM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

exactly
when I think of the money we have and are spending without holding the parents/ students accountable I get sick

and the VERY first thing leftists want is more money.


25 posted on 12/24/2013 9:07:59 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: artichokegrower

They just need to emulate the Kansas City Public School District fiasco, Ii mean model, because it worked so well.


26 posted on 12/24/2013 9:08:41 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: RWGinger; Liz

These illegal alien kids are being taught in Spanish and so they are in different classes than the American kids learning in English..


27 posted on 12/24/2013 9:16:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: artichokegrower

How many will be shocked when a state full of Mexicans is exactly like ........ Mexico?


28 posted on 12/24/2013 9:20:55 AM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: quadrant

” Why do Asian students do well and Latino students do poorly?

One word.

Study.


29 posted on 12/24/2013 9:26:01 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears

If (failure to) study is the problem, why don’t Hispanic parents make their kids study?


30 posted on 12/24/2013 10:07:17 AM PST by driftless2
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To: artichokegrower

Similarly, there is an education gap between Bassett Hounds and Border Collies. Go figure.


31 posted on 12/24/2013 10:07:40 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: zerosix

“As Latinos surpass white Californians in population next year…”

Shouldn’t that be “Illegal Latinos surpass….”?

The correct term is “Illegal Latrinos” - not “illegal Latinos”.

Taxonomy is important.


32 posted on 12/24/2013 10:22:18 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Random Access

Ethnicitysist!


33 posted on 12/24/2013 11:01:53 AM PST by Zuse
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To: logic101.net

As a *group* it does not help that Mexicans, in particular do not push and value education. They are not go getters for it, nor do they particularly push their kids to do well in school unlike other immigrant groups. [The CUBANS OTOH are a big exception. But the Mexicans on the whole, couldn’t care less.] If a kid manages to stumble through high school, to them that enough education.


34 posted on 12/24/2013 11:16:30 AM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: quadrant

For sure Mexican culture on the whole does NOT value education, and that is what the bulk of our illegals are.

Years ago, I worked at a swap meet, letting the sellers in early. There were a number of Cambodians/Vietnamese/Hmong etc. - some of them literally peasants who’d escaped their countries with NOTHING. The women would sell their embroidery (beautifully done! with excellent craftsmanship) and their small children in primary school would HAVE THeIr SCHOOLBOOKS with them on the weekend — while mama sold embroidery she also kept them hard at work over their books, which she did not often understand herself, but she made sure they did their homework. Asian parents see it as a way to better oneself. Too often with Mexicans if one tries to get ahead he or she is seen as “getting above themselves.” Naturally you will find many individual exceptions but as a GROUP that’s how it shakes out. Also let’s not forget that evil Bell Curve. As a group Mexicans average 87 in the IQ department, which is almost a full standard deviation below the average of 100. http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm


35 posted on 12/24/2013 11:26:08 AM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Random Access

Totally agree. Apparently, they’ve discovered additional “races” since I was in elementary school in the late 70’s and now I am bi-racial. It’s all about an agenda and has proven an effective one. It has prevailed in bonding a large segment of different populations because of a commonality in language into a strategic democrat voting block.


36 posted on 12/24/2013 11:39:57 AM PST by TeddyRay
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To: sheana

“We have a Mexican market here that I order tamales from for a Christmas Eve gathering. I went to pick them up yesterday and you couldn’t get down the aisles of the store they were so busy. Told my friend.....guess with all those ebt cards they are eating well.”

Here in NJ we have a lot of illegals; they are a sought-after market, as they have both welfare AND cash (many do actually work - for cash). This country will never enforce immigration laws because NJ, NY, CA and other states need the illegals not as workers, but CONSUMERS. They are needed to keep public schools open, to keep housing occupied, etc.


37 posted on 12/24/2013 1:52:11 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: gemoftheocean
Almost all Asian societies embrace education, which is the result of centuries of exposures to Confucian culture.
38 posted on 12/25/2013 8:08:32 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: quadrant
Why do Asian students do well and Latino students do poorly?

There's an acronym that's growing in usage among educators; NAM or "non-Asian minorities. It allows them to discuss the failings of "people of color" compared to their white counterparts while ignoring the success of other "people of color". It's very convenient.

39 posted on 12/25/2013 8:16:15 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
I'm going to risk being very politically incorrect here. I live in SF, CA. Naturally, I see many Asians daily; in fact, the building I live in has a resident population that is majority Asian. I realized that many consider Asians as “people of color”, but after many years of contemplation, I cannot do so.
40 posted on 12/25/2013 8:38:37 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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