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Americans are Clear: Obamacare Just Isn't Liberal Enough (Barf Alert)
The Daily Beast ^ | December 23, 2013 | Jamelle Bouie

Posted on 12/24/2013 10:32:46 AM PST by lbryce

There isn't a majority that opposes the Affordable Care Act because it's too liberal, in fact, a good number of Americans don't think it's liberal enough.

Today’s CNN poll (PDF) on the Affordable Care Act seems like a blow to supporters of the law. When asked if they “generally favor or generally oppose” the president’s health care overhaul, only 35 percent say they “favor.” The large majority—65 percent—say they “oppose.”

For Republicans who have staked their entire message on opposition to Obamacare, this looks like vindication. Not only was the rollout a disaster, but now, the public has turned decisively against the effort. Why would they stop the attacks and calls for repeal if Americans are united in disdain for the law?

The problem for Republicans—and the good news for supporters—is that the results are a little more complicated than they look. In addition to the binary question about support or opposition, CNN also asked respondents to explain their position on the law. Do they oppose the legislation because it’s too liberal, or do they oppose it because it’s not liberal enough.

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Reason enough not having it put out of its misery but to have it die a gruesome, miserable death.
1 posted on 12/24/2013 10:32:46 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Not liberal enough: It doesn’t include tons of freebes that we have no way of paying for.

Well, it DOES have that. Just not enough of them.


2 posted on 12/24/2013 10:34:16 AM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: lbryce

Yeah, I’m an evil rotten b@$t@rd for not wanting to work my @$$ off for that next dollar, and not want to give 65% of it so that liberals can fulfill their delusional fantasy of social justice.


3 posted on 12/24/2013 10:39:24 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: lbryce
Do these people really think that we are that stupid?..Liberals, you are loosing the war and you are too damn bullheaded to realize it. You lost. Talk is cheap and you cannot deny reality, majority of Americans don't like it


4 posted on 12/24/2013 10:41:06 AM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: lbryce

Looks like they are trying to figure out how to make the jump to “single payer” faster than they expected to


5 posted on 12/24/2013 10:41:54 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: lbryce

We need to stop calling them liberals


6 posted on 12/24/2013 10:42:40 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: lbryce

Jamelle Bouie...Pajama Boy in minstrel...


7 posted on 12/24/2013 10:42:48 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: lbryce

There’s no limits to the depths of the Left’s insanity and totalitarian urges.


8 posted on 12/24/2013 10:43:38 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: lbryce
Obama voters were expecting:

Automatic enrollment (just present your EBT card to any provider)

Priority access to all emergency rooms (just present your EBT card and go to the head of the line)

$2500/year savings (automatically added to EBT card balance)

9 posted on 12/24/2013 10:43:57 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: lbryce

I suppose this explains why Obama and his minions had to tell so many lies exaggerating the Liberal/Socialistic aspects of this law to get it passed. “You’ll have to change your plan and Doctor, your premiums will be higher in order to redistribute wealth” etc etc.


10 posted on 12/24/2013 10:44:13 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: lbryce

It appears who ever wrote this stuck their head up their a$$ and then said, “Hey we’re in Palm Springs!”


11 posted on 12/24/2013 10:44:24 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: lbryce

The ones who oppose it because it is liberal enough are those who do not have to pay for it.

You think it is outrageously high now, just make it more liberal.

Certainly if I were of the entitlement disposition I would want more. Unfortunately I am one of the ones that has to pay through the nose.

Have a poll asking those who received cancellation notices see how they feel.


12 posted on 12/24/2013 10:45:06 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: lbryce

People hate the insurance companies and want free health care.

In other words, if the government is going to run one-seventh of the economy, it should foot the bill.

We’re going to get single payer by the end of the decade and Obama’s incompetent handling of the quasi-private Obamacare market has only made it look more attractive.

People don’t want to pay premiums? But they’ll happily pay high taxes so they don’t have to worry about out of pocket health care costs.


13 posted on 12/24/2013 10:45:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Everyplace with socialized medicine has a two tier system.

Cheap rotten care, and good expensive care.

e.g. Canada has cheap rotten care with long waiting lists, or good expensive care if you drive a few miles south to the US.

If you look at outcomes with similar disease, US has best health care in the world. It is expensive, but there is nothing so cheap as dying of a disease that could be treated or even cured.


14 posted on 12/24/2013 10:50:30 AM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: Venturer

People oppose Obamacare not because Uncle Sam is involved but because they’re still asked to pay the bill.

Where’s my free health care? That’s going to be tough for Republicans to oppose since the country’s demographics have changed.

As Rush Limbaugh pointed out last year, you can’t beat Santa Claus especially when the government IS Santa Claus. Every one wants those shiny presents under their Christmas tree.

Even as Obamacare totally sucks.


15 posted on 12/24/2013 10:50:39 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lbryce

So now liberal = in favor of slavery?


16 posted on 12/24/2013 10:50:58 AM PST by oblomov
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To: lbryce

Quite a few republicans like the ‘pre-existing conditions’ part of Barrycare,too.


17 posted on 12/24/2013 10:51:01 AM PST by TurboZamboni ("PEACE ON EARTH TO MEN OF GOOD WILL".)
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To: goldstategop
People don’t want to pay premiums? But they’ll happily pay high taxes so they don’t have to worry about out of pocket health care costs.

People don't want to pay high taxes for their heath care either. They'd rather other people pay high taxes. This is the country we live in today.

18 posted on 12/24/2013 10:52:08 AM PST by Drew68
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To: goldstategop

If you like $4.00 gas, you’re just gonna love filling your tank when it’s $8/gal so you can go to the store and buy that $10/lb hamburger and chicken.


19 posted on 12/24/2013 10:52:37 AM PST by digger48
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To: VideoDoctor
It appears who ever wrote this stuck their head up their a$$ and then said, “Hey we’re in Palm Springs!”

Well I am going to nominate that as the posted reply of the day.

20 posted on 12/24/2013 10:53:39 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: donmeaker

Yeah -

If we get that - blame it on the greedy insurance companies which wanted Obamacare so they could milk the system. Instead, they gave the government the rope with which to hang them.

Republicans warned them this was going to happen and they didn’t listen. They should not expect a bailout any time soon.


21 posted on 12/24/2013 10:54:13 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Drew68

The Democrats voters are the affluent, minorities and government workers.

White conservatives are a shrinking portion of the electorate and even the GOP is moving to the Left.

We live in interesting times indeed, as the old Chinese saying has it.


22 posted on 12/24/2013 10:56:56 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lbryce

Jamelle Bouie’s black - and liberal. I’ll bet everyone he knows wants more free medical care. But if he’s walks out of his office and away from his comfort zone he’ll discover most people don’t think like he does.


23 posted on 12/24/2013 10:57:29 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: GeronL

Yep...they’re the LOOTERS


24 posted on 12/24/2013 10:59:40 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: digger48

Its the demographics, stupid.

I’m not too optimistic about GOP prospects in 2014.

It done nothing but talk about repealing Obamacare and in fact, its fully funded it for the next two years.

You don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.


25 posted on 12/24/2013 10:59:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cementjungle

These people wanted another freebie. This plan is identical to Medicaid. Medicaid is the costliest plan that every state has. The real problem many on the left have are the deductibles even if the plan is 100% paid for due to their income. They have grown accustomed to handouts and expected first dollar coverage and they’d never pay one cent.


26 posted on 12/24/2013 11:00:12 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: Lumper20

Yup. In Medicaid, you never pay a premium and there are low co-payments for doctor office visits and generic prescription drugs.

Obamacare on steroids.


27 posted on 12/24/2013 11:04:04 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Fido969

IS there such a thing as “too liberal”?

Apparently not. When some demand, no matter how outrageous it may have been to begin with, is finally granted, they go on and move the goalposts, to some new and apparently even more improbable objective.

Talk about confusing wants with needs. What most liberals need is a good swift boot in the gluteus maximus, sometimes hard enough to cause a nosebleed. And of course, they have already almost succeeded in totally outlawing any sort of corporal punishment as a corrective measure. But apparently this same kind of bodily mistreatment is OK as a form of sexual stimulation.

The kindest adjective that may be applied to liberals is “confused”.


28 posted on 12/24/2013 11:08:19 AM PST by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: alloysteel

There is nothing “liberal” about what they are asking for


29 posted on 12/24/2013 11:09:08 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: oblomov

They don’t see it as slavery. The word is “compassion”, remember?
It is incumbent upon us to start to use the word slavery to describe what is expected of those who are footing the bill for “free healthcare”.
The more we use the brutally honest term the more WE control the debate. That is what we have to do.


30 posted on 12/24/2013 11:12:16 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: lbryce

31 posted on 12/24/2013 11:13:12 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GeronL
We need to stop calling them liberals

I prefer to call them: NeoProgs.

Stealing from their tag of "NeoCons" and throwing it right back at them.

32 posted on 12/24/2013 11:15:11 AM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: GeronL

The term “liberal” is just another term that was hijacked and twisted to a meaning nearly the opposite of that which it once meant.

“Gimme stuff” is a more accurate definition of their actions.

And their complaint? “Whatcha done for me lately?”


33 posted on 12/24/2013 11:15:49 AM PST by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: GeronL

34 posted on 12/24/2013 11:15:58 AM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: lbryce

I’m afraid I don’t understand the criticism of his conclusion, which is that 35% like Ocare, 15% don’t like it because it doesn’t go far enough, and 50% don’t like it because it goes too far.

Those numbers seen entirely reasonable to me.

It’s like the question they ask all the time in the polls, “Do you feel good about where the country is?”

Those answering in the negative will obviously fall into two groups: those who think we’re going in the right direction but not fast enough, and those who think we’re going the wrong way.


35 posted on 12/24/2013 11:18:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: lbryce

All good liberals know how to fix Obamacare. Tax the rich to pay for more subsidies. Then borrow more to pay for even more subsidies. Repeat as often as necessary. /s


36 posted on 12/24/2013 11:20:32 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mr. K
Looks like they are trying to figure out how to make the jump to “single payer” faster than they expected to

BINGO!!!!

ObamaCare was never designed to work the way it was sold.

It was and is a mechanism to do two things: collapse the existing health insurance market in order to create misery and establishing government fascism by law over what you must purchase.

The redistribution of billions of dollars to the MarxoFascists who were employed to implement it was an added bonus.

The purpose of collapsing the existing health insurance market is to create an urgent clamor for government to 'fix' the exponential misery it caused - and the solution will be total government run and administered health care.

They are years ahead of where they thought they would be - and they are going for all the marbles.

Welcome to despotism.

37 posted on 12/24/2013 11:21:28 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Junk Silver
“You’ll have to change your plan and Doctor, your premiums will be higher in order to redistribute wealth” etc etc.

Someone - maybe YOU junk - should write up a bunch of stuff AS IF Obama had told the truth... then ask the question... "Would you have voted for Obama if he had told the truth"

38 posted on 12/24/2013 11:42:52 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: goldstategop

Odd, but I don’t agree with one thing you said...


39 posted on 12/24/2013 11:48:23 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: goldstategop

What Zot you said?


40 posted on 12/24/2013 11:50:16 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: lbryce

How about this idea? You can’t get Obamacare unless you pay income taxes.


41 posted on 12/24/2013 11:56:01 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: goldstategop
I'm waiting for someone in the Stupid Party to articulate why Single-payer will raise the cost of everything that everybody has to buy so that everyone can get even less healthcare than they get now.
42 posted on 12/24/2013 12:04:53 PM PST by digger48 (I've diven 6)
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To: lbryce

Stupid push poll.

After the majority say they hate it, they ask if they want free stuff.

There is no way to give everyone free healthcare and they wouldn’t want the taxes to pay for it.

Any government program requires lots losers for every winner.


43 posted on 12/24/2013 12:09:37 PM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: lbryce
Only Completely FREE for everyone would be liberal enough.
Except for maybe the "rich" but who cares about them?
The problem is that there aren't enough "rich" payers to make it "free" for everyone else.

44 posted on 12/24/2013 12:35:53 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: lbryce

The Daily Beast - Newsweak

is there really any difference?

Stalinsts lie. ALWAYS.


45 posted on 12/24/2013 1:45:10 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: lbryce

If 65% oppose obamacare and 15% oppose it because obamacare’s not liberal enough, then 50% oppose obamacare because it is too liberal.

That basic math means the Republicans are sitting REAL pretty come November 2014, especially because right now is just the lull before the Cat 5 hurricane called “BamaKare” hits the U.S. next year, because in early 2014, horror stories will start emerging about people with obama-cancelled insurance not being able to continue their chemotherapy or dialysis treatments, trauma patients being denied care at designated trauma centers, and hospital emergency departments being swamped with people unable to see their doctor.

This will start happening in January, become a deluge in February, and turn into a tsunami of death and suffering by March 2014, at which time voters will start hunting Democrats down in the streets with pitchforks and dogs. And a well-deserved hunt it will be too, because people are going to needlessly die as obamacare sends our existing health care system spiraling into complete and total chaos.

All the Republicans need to do is twiddle their fingers until the Democrats BEG them to fix obamacare, at which point the Republicans need to carry through on their promises to repeal and replace it. And if the Republicans betray us and don’t do that, it is the end of the Republican Party.


46 posted on 12/24/2013 1:52:35 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: lbryce

The answer to EVERY failed liberal program is more money and more government.


47 posted on 12/24/2013 5:20:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: lbryce

” not liberal enough” 15%

Of course it depends upon what “liberal” means!

15% meaningless.


48 posted on 12/25/2013 4:48:12 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: lbryce

While the author of this piece bloviates on about how a large number of Americans think that Obamacare is not “liberal enough”, nowhere does he specify what that means. So this article contains a few hundred words of nothing.


49 posted on 12/25/2013 8:14:04 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: donmeaker

“Canada has cheap rotten care with long waiting lists, or good expensive care if you drive a few miles south to the US.”
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

That probably won’t last long, the care isn’t always that great now in this country.


50 posted on 12/25/2013 11:43:01 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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