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Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue(billows of metallic-tasting snow)
NY Post ^ | December 22, 2013 | Laura Italiano and Kerry Murtha

Posted on 12/24/2013 10:47:29 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

By Laura Italiano and Kerry Murtha

December 22, 2013 | 6:40am

Navy sailor Lindsay Cooper knew something was wrong when billows of metallic-tasting snow began drifting over USS Ronald Reagan.

“I was standing on the flight deck, and we felt this warm gust of air, and, suddenly, it was snowing,” Cooper recalled of the day in March 2011 when she and scores of crewmates watched a sudden storm blow toward them from the tsunami-torn coast of Fukushima, Japan.

The tall 24-year-old with a winning smile didn’t know it then, but the snow was caused by the freezing Pacific air mixing with a plume of radioactive steam from the city’s shattered nuclear reactor

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fukushima; navy; radiation; ussronaldreagan
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1 posted on 12/24/2013 10:47:29 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; sushiman; Ronin; AmericanInTokyo; gaijin; struggle; DTogo; GATOR NAVY; Iris7; ...

P!


2 posted on 12/24/2013 10:48:17 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Scary!


3 posted on 12/24/2013 10:54:00 PM PST by rawhide
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’m sure Paul Ryan is going to cut their disability if they get out on a medical.


4 posted on 12/24/2013 11:19:05 PM PST by Antihero101607
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To: TigerLikesRooster

WTF are they risking the U. S. S. Ronald Reagan for? The crew shouldn’t have been exposed to this level of radiation. What the hell is going on here? This sounds extremely reckless.


5 posted on 12/24/2013 11:22:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"By the time the Reagan realized it was contaminated and tried to shift location, the radioactive plume had spread too far to be quickly outrun.

“We have a multimillion-dollar radiation-detection system, but . . . it takes time to be set up and activated,” Cooper said.

In other words it wasn't turned on.

6 posted on 12/24/2013 11:33:02 PM PST by wideminded
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To: DoughtyOne

The ship should have been moved south of the plume and the decontamination equipment up and running before it ever got to Japan.

Another Secy of the Navy Mabus screw-up. He is totally incompetent and should be kheelhauled in that contaminated water. Put a little glow in his cheeks, and I don’t mean those on his face.


7 posted on 12/24/2013 11:39:49 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Antihero101607

I guess Paul Ryan despises these men because they were too stupid to go inside when the fallout came down.


8 posted on 12/24/2013 11:40:49 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tepco had simulation data that projected the plume would go given current weather patterns but decided not to release it to the public. The could have been protected. Does anyone believe that the crew were the only people harmed by Fukushima? What about all the locals who headed northwest when the explosion occurred (right into the plume) and then set up camp in a highly contaminated zone.
Japan just rammed through state secrecy and they had to be concealing data on illnesses even before the new law passed.


9 posted on 12/24/2013 11:42:17 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: wideminded

In other words it wasn’t turned on.

……..near a faulty reactor


10 posted on 12/24/2013 11:47:04 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This sounds like Babs Streisand.


11 posted on 12/25/2013 12:00:44 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If this is true...whoever was ultimately responsible will never be he’d accountable.


13 posted on 12/25/2013 12:19:46 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
What an outrage!

The people in charge knew where they were going.

The radiation detector should have been online before they got near the area and the entire crew should have been given Patassium Iodide pills greatly reducing the chances of being harmed.

Total incompetence. The people in charge need to be held accountable.

14 posted on 12/25/2013 12:31:05 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

Our local fire department routinely operates radiation detection. Recently, they had the cops pull over a “hot” car that turned out to contain a guy coming home from a thyroid test. How difficult could it be have a basic level of detection in constant operation?


15 posted on 12/25/2013 12:49:00 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

There are simply no excuses for what happened.

It is an outrage through and through.


16 posted on 12/25/2013 12:56:20 AM PST by DB
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To: Vendome

This story is entirely made up. Do you really think there are no working radiation detection systems on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier?


17 posted on 12/25/2013 1:02:24 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: DoughtyOne
The ship was contaminated...along with the drinking water and personnel. They were left out in the plume almost 3 weeks before a decision was made. The ports in Japan, Guam and Philippines would not allow them in port because they were too radioactive.

The jet stream carried that plume right to the United States/Canada coastline and right across the states by March 25, 2011. Plenty of iodine-131 and Cesium-137. Reactor 1 had a core meltdown 5 hours after the earthquake. A couple days later, unit 3 reaction had a literal nuclear explosion that blew most of the core (uranium/plutonium) into the atmosphere. At least 100 tons was aerosolized. Unburned fuel from unit 3 has been found over 250 miles from the site (in little black puddles). SFP #4 had two zirconium fires. Lots more, but that is a quick run down.

Check out Project Tomodachi for more information. There is also a daily set of updates at ENENews. Many of the people commenting on the posts are strongly anti-nuke. Many are also seasoned professionals in the nuclear power business. You'll have to sort out which ones hit your credibility threshold. Suffice to say, you won't get coverage anywhere else. One of my co-workers has studied the Hiroshima/Nagasaki events for over 25 years. He recently was added to the Tomodachi studies.

18 posted on 12/25/2013 1:08:11 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: DoughtyOne
Read through the post and comments on the article New model shows U.S. was hit by Fukushima cloud that dispersed little over Pacific — Gundersen: Authorities knew about hot particles and didn’t warn public; Could have worn air masks, instead it’s stuck in their lungs; Helicopters did secret survey along coast (PHOTO & AUDIO) to get a sense of the characters and level of expertise.
19 posted on 12/25/2013 1:25:45 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’d like to know how far off shore the ship was.

Can a plume of steam actually cause snow one or two miles away?

The wind direction is also curious.

If the sea air was cooler than the land air, I would expect the “snow cloud” to be slowly moving inland.

And considering the obvious radiation risk, I find it hard to believe that the ship’s officers had no interest in the wind direction and had no radiation monitors deployed.


20 posted on 12/25/2013 1:28:11 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: TigerLikesRooster

These sailors should have at the very least been given iodine as soon as they realised that there might be a problem. They have all probably got very reduced lifespans now due to something that was totally avoidable. Sue the government and take exemplary damages, ones that hurt and force them to jiggle the budget around or give them higher insurance premiums. Its the only way to force them not to be so stupid in future.


21 posted on 12/25/2013 2:16:50 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“What was I? Still a human being? Or was I the man of the future? If there were other bursts of radiation, other clouds drifting across seas and continents, would other beings follow me into this vast new world?

So close, the infinitesimal and the infinite. But suddenly I knew they were really the two ends of the same concept. The unbelievably small and the unbelievably vast eventually meet, like the closing of a gigantic circle. I looked up, as if somehow I would grasp the heavens, the universe, worlds beyond number. God’s silver tapestry spread across the night.

And in that moment I knew the answer to the riddle of the infinite. I had thought in terms of Man’s own limited dimension. I had presumed upon Nature. That existence begins and ends is Man’s conception, not Nature’s. And I felt my body dwindling, melting, becoming nothing.

My fears melted away and in their place came acceptance. All this vast majesty of creation, it had to mean something. And then I meant something too. Yes, smaller than the smallest, I meant something too. To God, there is no zero.”

“I still exist.”

-The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957)


22 posted on 12/25/2013 2:21:28 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Revelation 911; TigerLikesRooster

IIRC the Israelis lost a ship to a missile strike a few years ago because the anti-missile system on the ship was not turned on - in a war zone. There are probably quite a few examples of this kind of failure.


23 posted on 12/25/2013 2:37:28 AM PST by wideminded
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Not surprised at this if true.

There is so much denial over this nuke plant disaster it is astonishing

Nuke plants are fine. Nuke plants are fine. They’re safe and clean

Until the blow up and let out uncontrollable radiation.

Japan reacts by denying and lying. And we are so dumb.

It’s a nuke reactor failure.

Duh

Even and especially on this site

Rush is the worst. Recently a caller said nuke plants are dangerous and Rush excoriated him for being a tree higher before hanging up on him. Ignorantly ascribed all different opinions to the guy which he had never stated and hung up on him

This might turn out to be very bad. I hope not

In any case It will be a long time and more ridiculousness before people stop depending on these stupid things

The Long Island housewives kept one out of their backyard.

And they are not tree huggers


24 posted on 12/25/2013 3:37:45 AM PST by stanne
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To: Eagles6

They will get promoted, a medal and quietly separated.


25 posted on 12/25/2013 4:08:34 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Cancer patients are warned not ride the subway etc when they are being treated with isotopes because will trigger the detectors.
But the multi Billion dollar, irreplaceable. National asset of one of our newest carriers has it’s rad gear in storage? So the fing Iranians don’t need a bomb, they just need to sail a freighter by upwind spewing cesium or polonium out of its engine smoke stack.


26 posted on 12/25/2013 4:12:39 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
This story is entirely made up. Do you really think there are no working radiation detection systems on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier?

Of course not. No one said the equipment wasn't onboard. The story says it wasn't turned on.

27 posted on 12/25/2013 4:19:23 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Right Wing Assault

The way the Chernobyl disaster became public was when Scandinavian power Reactor workers started setting off Radiation alarms COMING to work...


28 posted on 12/25/2013 4:24:12 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The USS Ronald Reagan. Needlessly contaminated. Huh..Imagine that.


29 posted on 12/25/2013 4:41:57 AM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The USS Ronald Reagan. Needlessly contaminated. Huh..Imagine that.


30 posted on 12/25/2013 4:41:58 AM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
This story is entirely made up. Do you really think there are no working radiation detection systems on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier?

Yea

31 posted on 12/25/2013 5:02:27 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Watch which way the wind does blow and don’t you eat that Glowing snow.


32 posted on 12/25/2013 5:05:35 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: wideminded

First of all, you assume this regime cares about the people charged with defending it.
2nd, the Ship was named for a great American, Maybe it was a petty way of punishing it.
3rd....I bet the Capt was under orders to save money and not turn on the detection equipment.
Those poor sailors....Pray for their recovery.


33 posted on 12/25/2013 5:08:50 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: DoughtyOne

Man oh man, I remember reading the stories of our navy being dispatched to that area. I thunk to myseff...this is not good. They will be exposed to high levels of radiation. If I recall correctly, the news reports were indicating there was little danger to our servicemen and woman. Yea...roger that.


34 posted on 12/25/2013 5:10:16 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Varsity Flight
The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957)

Just watched that movie last night for the second time. The first time was as a kid in '57. Great movie.

35 posted on 12/25/2013 5:18:17 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“Did Japan’s radiation sicken U.S. sailors?” Jan. 12, 2013

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jan/12/are-sailors-symptoms-from-radiation/

Similar article, different perspective.


36 posted on 12/25/2013 5:34:14 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Myrddin

Will check out. Bflr.


37 posted on 12/25/2013 5:38:52 AM PST by colinhester
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“USS Ronald Reagan & Fukushima”

http://islandbreath.blogspot.com/2013/12/uss-ronald-reagan-fukushima.html

Some good pictures of the ship’s decontamination process. I think this article is credible.


38 posted on 12/25/2013 5:41:55 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Pic of the crew scrubbing the flight deck.

http://www.islandbreath.org/2013Year/12/131215deckswob.jpg


39 posted on 12/25/2013 5:43:42 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: servantboy777
And, at the risk of being called sexist, why have women exposed in such a dangerous area?

No, men and women are not equal. In general, men are more expendable.

40 posted on 12/25/2013 5:50:01 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Remember who the real enemy is!)
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To: SampleMan

Or that, even if the plume models were bad, for the hour it would take to change course, the crew didn’t hang protective gear? It’s one of the important military assets in the world. It designed to operate in the even of a nuclear war. Weapons aside, it has it’s own nuclear reactor. I guess the Navy just isn’t ready for radioactive contingencies?

I have no doubt that if crewmen were working outside with scarves wrapped around their faces, it because something smelled bad, or if there was a hazard, someone who went to school for engineering, physics, medicine or some combination thereof knew more people who get sick from heat exhaustion wearing an APR mask, than from what was in the air.


41 posted on 12/25/2013 6:14:47 AM PST by NYFriend
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To: Aevery_Freeman
You're right, men and woman are not equal in this regard. I would submit though, no one...no one should have been exposed.

When the ships detectors began reading higher than normal readings, they should have taken evasive manuevers.

The navy can hand out any malarkey they wish regarding the setup and deployment of radiation detectors, but I'm not buying it. These guys would have had these in place well before arriving in the area.

42 posted on 12/25/2013 6:26:31 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The fallout of those four days spent off the Fukushima coast has been tragic to many of the 5,000 sailors who were there. At least 70 have been stricken with some form of radiation sickness, and of those, “at least half . . . are suffering from some form of cancer

The FR "experts" told us this would be no more radiation than you'd get from an afternoon on the beach.

43 posted on 12/25/2013 6:35:13 AM PST by bgill
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To: Aevery_Freeman
No, men and women are not equal. In general, men are more expendable.

If your world view involves abortion for population control, anyway, then what difference do women make? To the Left they are equally expendable - if not more so.

We should have been building safe thorium reactors all along, but they don't produce any byproducts needed for weaponry. Now China and several other countries are going full speed on thorium technology - meaning they will have abundant cheap energy while Americans are busy paying carbon taxes to "save the planet."

44 posted on 12/25/2013 6:47:29 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Texas Fossil
Eight sailors have filed a lawsuit against the Japanese power company, alleging that officials lied about the amount of leakage. It says the Navy used the company’s reports in its own calculations about the safety of U.S. sailors in the relief effort

What a sorry nation we've become that we're so lazy that we can't be bothered to flip the ON switch on our detection equipment. Or was this another stand down order.

45 posted on 12/25/2013 6:54:33 AM PST by bgill
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To: Right Wing Assault
This ship has a working nuclear powerplant. Of course the detection systems were working, full time.

There have been two previous threads on this that I know of. The comments on those are much more technical and not as emotional as the ones on this post.

Also realize the NY Post is a tabloid and their use of the words "Radiation Sickness" is pretty cavalier.

46 posted on 12/25/2013 7:04:55 AM PST by pfflier
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
The ship should have been moved south of the plume and the decontamination equipment up and running before it ever got to Japan. Another Secy of the Navy Mabus screw-up. He is totally incompetent and should be kheelhauled in that contaminated water. Put a little glow in his cheeks, and I don’t mean those on his face.

Agree - we have always had warriors that knew they might be used up in the cause of the day, but we no longer have leadership that appreciates and loves our warriors for what they are so willing to sacrifice - no excuse for this fiasco.

47 posted on 12/25/2013 7:14:46 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Myrddin

Thank you for that link. I’ve been following this since I read an article about it on the 12th. The reactor damage occurred 3 years ago and it hasn’t been fixed. They sure managed to keep a lid on what has happened to our sailors for a very long time and that infuriates me more than anything. What is being done for them and their families???? Makes me sick. Sorry for the rant but I am heartsick.


48 posted on 12/25/2013 7:16:00 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

The engineroom has airbore radiation detectors. On a submarine there are three. They will go off even for temperature inversions. Anyway, these would have picked up the airborne radiation.


49 posted on 12/25/2013 7:28:03 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: bgill

Some how I doubt that is an accurate statement of the cause of the exposure. And it may be that the exposure was not as serious as implied.

Has been quite a while since the incident. It has been reported elsewhere in the news. Some of that reporting is less dramatic.

Now, if there is in fact a pattern of exposure related illnesses it should be admitted. If not, it should be exposed as overstatement.

My credibility sniffer is going off about the article after reading some other coverage of it.


50 posted on 12/25/2013 8:17:37 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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