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1 posted on 12/25/2013 4:58:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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What a bunch of crap.

They knew the consequences of just pulling the rug from out of the SA government....chaos and civil war....Constructive Engagement was the way to go.


2 posted on 12/25/2013 4:59:10 PM PST by dfwgator
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I read a book around 20 years ago about the KGB.

One thing I recall was they were given 3 missions which were of great importance and which they placed most of their resources.

One of those was the takeover of South Africa. That included Angola, Mozambique, SW Africa as well as the country of South Africa.


3 posted on 12/25/2013 5:03:31 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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Yes, how silly of us . . .


             

4 posted on 12/25/2013 5:03:39 PM PST by tomkat (refraining, with much difficulty, from further commentary)
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I call BS.
The divestment movement started in the '60s and was enacted by the Federal Government during the Reagan administration.

Personally, I never gave a crap. Why should we support a bunch of communist murderers anyway?

6 posted on 12/25/2013 5:06:29 PM PST by stormhill
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Pure ignorance!

Andrew Young was Pres.Carter's rep in the UN at that time: He was making a lot of noise about how the indigent populations should take control of their home countries (especially South Africa) and rule as democracies - complete with unicorns, fairy dust, and lots of sparkle! This was AFTER Rhodesia went down, too ....

7 posted on 12/25/2013 5:09:44 PM PST by Ken522
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Well look how well its all turned out. sarc


8 posted on 12/25/2013 5:09:58 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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the U.S. government’s behavior was far from respectful as it supported a regime that oppressed more than 90 percent of its people.

It was also prosperous, relatively safe and a 1st world nation. Now what you got?

10 posted on 12/25/2013 5:13:54 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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Reagan met with Chief Buthelezi, and Buthelezi even warned Reagan that Sanctions would be disastrous.

Of course Mandela, who was a Xhosa, hated Zulus, especially Buthelezi.

Ahhhh, but they never tell you about how the two main black tribes in SA still hate each other, even more than they hate the Afrikaners.


12 posted on 12/25/2013 5:15:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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The whites need to totally leave and let the tribes kill each other off. Period.


13 posted on 12/25/2013 5:16:37 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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Concerning the author, George E. Curry:

In 1993 Curry published a bold depiction of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas with an Aunt Jemima handkerchief on his head on the front cover.

14 posted on 12/25/2013 5:21:10 PM PST by Kennard
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I guess we were afraid it could turn into Detroit.


16 posted on 12/25/2013 5:28:54 PM PST by boycott
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(((YAWN))) Another America-hating crybaby. So what else is new.


17 posted on 12/25/2013 5:29:11 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The Truth Is Out There. Just don't let anyone know that you're looking for it.)
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This article ignores every fact inconsistent with the theme set by its race-baiting author. For example, President Reagan took many personal, courageous actions favourable to South Africa's indigenous population, including appointing a black ambassador and personally intervening in negotiations on their behalf.

That said, South Africa was, and still is, no more ready for pure democracy than is the West Bank. The last two decades have proven that.

18 posted on 12/25/2013 5:38:48 PM PST by Kennard
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It's almost like the New South Africa and Detroit have something in common.

The Death of Johannesburg

19 posted on 12/25/2013 5:41:19 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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name me one country in Africa that has benefited more from black rule than white rule in the last 100 years .


22 posted on 12/25/2013 5:58:22 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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Because what they got with majority rule has been so much more beneficial for everyone involved!


23 posted on 12/25/2013 6:02:05 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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I’m not convinced apartheid was the way to go. I do know that what looks black and white to foreign nationals generally isn’t reality on the ground.

I see the whole thing something like this.

If the Palestinians were able to kick all Jews out of Israel, would there be peace? I’d give it about 24 months before the Palestinians would find someone else to be mad at, and it would start all over.

That’s what will take place in South Africa ultimately. When Whites have been kicked out, I pitty the African nationals that remain. There will be carnage of Biblical proportions IMO.

Honestly, I’m not sure how an industrialized society can enter a nation like South Africa, tap it’s resources and manage it so that the locals are compensated properly, and the economic success floats all boats.

I think it’s a lot easier said than done.

It seems like when it’s tried a few strong-men (more often than not ONE), becomes too big for his britches and the rest of the nationals are abused.

Those who oppose the West now, would have at some point have criticized the education of African nationals along the Western cultural lines. It would have been ugly no matter how it was tried.

As South Africa continues to melt down, those who hated the White governance in Africa may come to miss that governance.

What lies ahead is not bliss my friends.


26 posted on 12/25/2013 6:39:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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ALL black problems are rooted in two causes:
The presence of white people,
or the absence of white peoples $$$...

Just depends on which blacks you ask
29 posted on 12/25/2013 6:45:21 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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The US did not support apartheid, it also did not support terrorism.


33 posted on 12/25/2013 8:19:08 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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The blacks living under Apartheid were far better off than those in Nearby Angola being murdered by Soviet Hind Gunships flown by white pilots, tortured to death in Angolan prisons by white East German Stasi, or slaughtered in their villages by Cuban Mercenary troops of the Soviet Empire. Similar Soviet Wars of Colonial Conquest were also happening in Mozambique, Ethiopia, Eritrea,and Rhodesia. This perspective is glaringly absent in this propaganda piece.

It was the Regan Doctrine of supporting anti Communist guerrilla fighters in those countries in Africa,Central America, and Afghanistan that caused the collapse of the Soviet Empire that ultimately freed Nelson Mandela from prison.

After the ANC lost their Soviet benefactor which aided them to the tune of $200 million a year, the communist Mandela was not seen as the threat he was earlier, so the SA authorities released him. And Mandela realized that he could not turn SA into a communist police state overnight without Soviet backing moderated his stand on the future of SA.

The hero in this true history is not Nelson Mandela but Ronald Reagan.


35 posted on 12/25/2013 9:47:35 PM PST by Uncle Lonny
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