Skip to comments.Paul Ryan: Pope 'Triggering Exact Dialogue We Should Be Having'
Posted on 12/26/2013 6:32:04 AM PST by SkyPilot
Pope Francis' controversial economic views have startled Republicans who are now having to rethink their relationship with the Catholic church, according to Politico.
The pontiff has recently attacked "trickle-down economics, saying that the theory has never been confirmed by fact," and "that it expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."
The pope also criticized "the idolatry of money" and slammed capitalism as a "new tyranny."
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh has already called Time's "Person of the Year" a closet Marxist and now Republicans in Washington are taking aim at the pope, who took over the office in March.
New York Rep. Peter King, who went to a Catholic school and graduated from the University of Notre Dames law school, told Politico that the popes economic statements are demeaning.
King said that Francis uses the phrase trickle-down as a pejorative term, like some liberal speechwriter stuck it in. He said, "I genuinely believe (that) supply-side economics does more to help people come out of poverty, move up in the world."
But King added, "On the other hand, we shouldnt be dwelling on wealth. The guidance Id take from this is, when I support conservative economics, I should do it in a way that helps the most people.
Arizona Sen. John McCain said that, although he was "impressed" with the pope's modern day outlook on social issues and helping the poor, "his economic perspective Im not particularly enamored with."
The pope maintains that he wants to de-emphasize the church's position on issues like abortion and gay marriage and instead concentrate on more important problems such as helping the poor and the underprivileged.
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Wonder if Ryan sees the irony?
"But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I dont feel offended."
"The military retirement system is overly generous....most of these younger retirees go on to second careers.... the money we save from this reform will go right back to the military..."
Jesus...and the Gospel...are not social revolutionaries. He's a Savior.
“The pope maintains that he wants to de-emphasize the church’s position on issues like abortion and gay marriage and instead concentrate on more important problems such as helping the poor and the underprivileged.”
What’s more important than the destruction of civilization (redefining marriage) and demographic suicide (abortion)? If the poor simply got married and stayed married, poverty would be a lot less.
This pope sure does say a lot of stupid things.
Hitler and Stalin were regarded as pleasant and affable by entire legions of the populace.
Paul Ryan on the Pope
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Paul Ryan on the Pope
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He came not to save people IN the world but to save them OUT of this world, from the temporal to eternal. That the Pope is centering a conversation about anything beyond that is simple evidence of losing sight of the important message.
Says the crony-capitalist.
These “younger retirees” are typically in their 40’s looking for jobs to supplement a 20,000 a year retirement takehome from the government.
It’s never been easy to get hired in one’s 40’s, and if your specialty has been blowing things up and shooting people and training for the same, then there aren’t that many job openings.
(Although Homeland Security dreams of the day....)
Remember Pope Fancis is living out what St. Francis of Asissi said “preach the Gospel and when possible use words”. Translation: Preach the Gospel by WALKING the walk you may only be the ONLY GOSPEL there is.
ryan loves crony capitalism... his budget bill proves it. This man is evil and a liar and a thief.
Be a real cold day in Hell when this POS gets my vote.
Ryan is dead to me.
He cannot redeem himself, no matter what he does or says.
Not just about the NEED for eternal salvation, but also LIVING out that faith in the Savior by loving Him and our neighbors.
Ryan is preaching a false doctrine... JESUS warned about these false rabbis.
It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
2 Peter 2:1-3
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
2 Timothy 4:2-4
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Paul Ryan is proof positive that a career politician cannot be trusted. Any pol in office for more than one term has waded in the Washington sea of corruption so must be soaked by it.
One part of the American populace found Uncle Joe Stalin especially charming — President Roosevelt. You can have Poland if you want it.
The idiots attacking the Pope just don’t get it.
The Pope is not a politician and his words have nothing to do with the role of government.
Trickle down economics only works as a government policy if the citizens are guided by christian moral virtues. If people attack the Pope and reject christianity then capitalism cannot work. You’d have to be very dumb to call the pope a marxist. He’s the anti-Marxist. The Catholic church is the only institution standing in the way of global socialism.
The Pope should stick with the Faith, not economics. He’s ignorant at best and dangerous at worst.
He is speaking ex recto.
Likely little downside for the GOP here, since so many of my fellow Catholics continue to reflexively pull the lever for Democrats regardless. Despite the fact that the Democrats continually go out of their way to take a p*ss on all of our most cherished values.
The Pope: “...I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people...”
Well, Pope Francis - I never met a militant capitalist who raped a child or impaled a Christian on a bayonet.
I have met plenty of marxists with their masks off though.
This guy is such an asshat.
“The Catholic church is the only institution standing in the way of global socialism.”
The Pope is PUSHING for a one-world authority that can redistribute wealth to make it fair. If that isn’t global socialism, what is?
“We need to be convinced that charity is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones). I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...
... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.
Also, as Bishop, he got a salary from the Peronist government of Argentina.
So Ryan’s going after the Catholic Socialist vote which seems to be in abundance in the U.S. these days...
I say “The congressional retirement system is overly generous....most of these retirees go on to second careers working for lobbyists and getting paid to sit on boards and do nothing but draw a paycheck....and they keep a millions in campaign funds.... the money we save by getting rid of these frauds will be savings for the people...”
Ryan and people like him, can’t understand that the men and women in the military get paid a lot less than their civilian counterparts. In fact, if you consider the hours they’re actually on duty the pay is dismal. Plus, their families are part of it but don’t get paid jack.
I hope Ryan loses his conservative support. If he loses just a little the democrats in his district will send him to work for the lobbyists.
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh has already called Time's "Person of the Year" a closet Marxist
I’m skeptical of any man that parts his hair on the female side of the head...
I never knew that, just thought it was a natural thing.
Does that mean I have to change after 60+ years to stay on FR?
Bad advice...A lot of people look like they could be Christians and are not...The biblical advice is to 'preach' the Gospel...Open your mouth...The Gospel comes by hearing, not seeing...
I thought your hair parted on the side that it wanted to part on! Some people have a choice? My hair parts on the left side and I am a woman, so is that the male side?
I switched part sides from left to right to left. People looked at me quizzically - did you lose weight? You look different. No one ever put their finger on it.
That’s right to left. Had to think about it for a second.
Nowadays, it's tough for anyone to get a new job, veteran or not.
But there are still many folks (like me) who mentally award extra “points” to folks whose résumés include service in the United States Armed Forces.
Veterans often have a bit of a leg up on the rest of folks when looking for a new career. In tough times like these, when lots and lots of folks in their 40s (and even 50s) are having to start second, or even third careers, veterans are relatively advantaged compared to non-vets.
Nope...I didn't say you guys were bad, just said I was skeptical...
Don't know...If I don't part my hair, there is no part...HaHaHa...But I play it safe...I part my hair in the middle...
I know nobody here believed this guy...
Ryan and King, tuff on the pope and easy on the president.
hhuummmmmm....... trying to imagine what you look like....... Maybe your hair is the reason flat top haircuts were invented or...... you are bald. :)
Maybe the Pope does not Remember Ronald Reagan , but I do, and Trickle down worked great for him.
The Pope has maybe been looking at Venezuela’s trickledown to political cronies and gotten the wrong impression.
Does the Pope know that the poor are not what is keeping his Church’s bills paid? Fact is the rich will always be rich and the Middle strives to become rich and the poor sit and wait to be given the rich’s of the rich and the Middle.
If you could see the entire picture, you’d see that there’s a strong wind blowing from Reagan’s right...
Got plenty of hair...Back in the late 60’s when we all had Beatles haircuts, I had it chopped off and opted for a flat-top without telling my girlfriend before hand..That was my first major mistake as a human being...
It worked for Reagan but it sucked for the rest of the Country...
Big business got the tax breaks that 'trickled down' to them but instead of trickling down to new machinery and more American employees as we were led to believe it would, the tax money gushed over to China, Mexico and parts of Europe for big business expansion in those Countries...We the American workers didn't benefit at all...
In theory tho it was an alright idea...
Mr Ditter was in college when I met him and he had a flat top. He was cute!