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Paul Ryan: Pope 'Triggering Exact Dialogue We Should Be Having'
Newsmax ^ | 25 Dec 13 | Drew MacKenzie

Posted on 12/26/2013 6:32:04 AM PST by SkyPilot

Pope Francis' controversial economic views have startled Republicans who are now having to rethink their relationship with the Catholic church, according to Politico.

The pontiff has recently attacked "trickle-down economics, saying that the theory has never been confirmed by fact," and "that it expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."

The pope also criticized "the idolatry of money" and slammed capitalism as a "new tyranny."

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh has already called Time's "Person of the Year" a closet Marxist and now Republicans in Washington are taking aim at the pope, who took over the office in March.

New York Rep. Peter King, who went to a Catholic school and graduated from the University of Notre Dame’s law school, told Politico that the pope’s economic statements are demeaning.

King said that Francis uses the phrase “trickle-down” as a “pejorative” term, “like some liberal speechwriter stuck it in.” He said, "I genuinely believe (that) supply-side economics does more to help people come out of poverty, move up in the world."

But King added, "On the other hand, we shouldn’t be dwelling on wealth. The guidance I’d take from this is, when I support conservative economics, I should do it in a way that helps the most people.”

Arizona Sen. John McCain said that, although he was "impressed" with the pope's modern day outlook on social issues and helping the poor, "his economic perspective I’m not particularly enamored with."

The pope maintains that he wants to de-emphasize the church's position on issues like abortion and gay marriage and instead concentrate on more important problems such as helping the poor and the underprivileged.

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Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, a Catholic who is considered a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2016, said that he did not believe that Francis was a Marxist. But he pointed out in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that the pontiff's background is rooted in the Peronist movement in Argentina, where the state took a leading role in the economy. "The guy is from Argentina, they haven’t had real capitalism in Argentina,” Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don’t have a true free enterprise system."

Wow.

1 posted on 12/26/2013 6:32:04 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Wonder if Ryan sees the irony?


2 posted on 12/26/2013 6:40:11 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: SkyPilot

"But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended."

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"The military retirement system is overly generous....most of these younger retirees go on to second careers.... the money we save from this reform will go right back to the military..."

Disposable: Paul Ryan's Budget Epitomizes How Washington Actually Sees Veterans

3 posted on 12/26/2013 6:41:47 AM PST by SkyPilot
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4 posted on 12/26/2013 6:43:54 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
The EXACT conversation we should be happening is repent and be saved!"

Jesus...and the Gospel...are not social revolutionaries. He's a Savior.

5 posted on 12/26/2013 6:44:31 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: SkyPilot
he wants to de-emphasize the church's position on issues like abortion and gay marriage and instead concentrate on more important problems such as helping the poor and the underprivileged. What's a few million dead babies and the end of the sacrament of marriage as practiced for 2 millenia compared with this decades fad wealth redistribution?
6 posted on 12/26/2013 6:48:28 AM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: SkyPilot

“The pope maintains that he wants to de-emphasize the church’s position on issues like abortion and gay marriage and instead concentrate on more important problems such as helping the poor and the underprivileged.”

What’s more important than the destruction of civilization (redefining marriage) and demographic suicide (abortion)? If the poor simply got married and stayed married, poverty would be a lot less.

This pope sure does say a lot of stupid things.


7 posted on 12/26/2013 6:58:13 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: SkyPilot
"But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended."

Hitler and Stalin were regarded as pleasant and affable by entire legions of the populace.

8 posted on 12/26/2013 7:00:14 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SkyPilot; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Paul Ryan on the Pope

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


9 posted on 12/26/2013 7:06:12 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SkyPilot; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Paul Ryan on the Pope

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


10 posted on 12/26/2013 7:07:22 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: NELSON111
Jesus...and the Gospel...are not social revolutionaries. He's a Savior.

He came not to save people IN the world but to save them OUT of this world, from the temporal to eternal. That the Pope is centering a conversation about anything beyond that is simple evidence of losing sight of the important message.

11 posted on 12/26/2013 7:08:27 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: SkyPilot

Says the crony-capitalist.


12 posted on 12/26/2013 7:08:49 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: SkyPilot

These “younger retirees” are typically in their 40’s looking for jobs to supplement a 20,000 a year retirement takehome from the government.

It’s never been easy to get hired in one’s 40’s, and if your specialty has been blowing things up and shooting people and training for the same, then there aren’t that many job openings.

(Although Homeland Security dreams of the day....)


13 posted on 12/26/2013 7:09:11 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: SkyPilot

Remember Pope Fancis is living out what St. Francis of Asissi said “preach the Gospel and when possible use words”. Translation: Preach the Gospel by WALKING the walk you may only be the ONLY GOSPEL there is.


14 posted on 12/26/2013 7:13:30 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SkyPilot

ryan loves crony capitalism... his budget bill proves it. This man is evil and a liar and a thief.


15 posted on 12/26/2013 7:13:43 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: SkyPilot
Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan...is considered a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2016...

Sure.

Be a real cold day in Hell when this POS gets my vote.

Ryan is dead to me.

He cannot redeem himself, no matter what he does or says.

16 posted on 12/26/2013 7:17:28 AM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: T-Bird45

Not just about the NEED for eternal salvation, but also LIVING out that faith in the Savior by loving Him and our neighbors.


17 posted on 12/26/2013 7:17:47 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: dblshot

Ryan is preaching a false doctrine... JESUS warned about these false rabbis.

Luke 17:2

It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

2 Peter 2:1-3

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Matthew 7:15

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Revelation 22:18-19

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

2 Timothy 4:2-4

Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Galatians 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.


18 posted on 12/26/2013 7:23:32 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: goodnesswins

Paul Ryan is proof positive that a career politician cannot be trusted. Any pol in office for more than one term has waded in the Washington sea of corruption so must be soaked by it.


19 posted on 12/26/2013 7:29:19 AM PST by JayAr36 (When an American dies Obama lies. And lies, and lies and lies forever.)
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To: rarestia

One part of the American populace found Uncle Joe Stalin especially charming — President Roosevelt. You can have Poland if you want it.


20 posted on 12/26/2013 7:31:19 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: SkyPilot

The idiots attacking the Pope just don’t get it.

The Pope is not a politician and his words have nothing to do with the role of government.

Trickle down economics only works as a government policy if the citizens are guided by christian moral virtues. If people attack the Pope and reject christianity then capitalism cannot work. You’d have to be very dumb to call the pope a marxist. He’s the anti-Marxist. The Catholic church is the only institution standing in the way of global socialism.


21 posted on 12/26/2013 7:32:20 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: heye2monn

The Pope should stick with the Faith, not economics. He’s ignorant at best and dangerous at worst.


22 posted on 12/26/2013 7:34:52 AM PST by martiangohome
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To: SkyPilot
Francis is not speaking ex cathedra when he opines on economic topics.

He is speaking ex recto.

23 posted on 12/26/2013 7:55:01 AM PST by caddie
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To: SkyPilot

Likely little downside for the GOP here, since so many of my fellow Catholics continue to reflexively pull the lever for Democrats regardless. Despite the fact that the Democrats continually go out of their way to take a p*ss on all of our most cherished values.


24 posted on 12/26/2013 7:56:59 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SkyPilot

The Pope: “...I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people...”

Well, Pope Francis - I never met a militant capitalist who raped a child or impaled a Christian on a bayonet.

I have met plenty of marxists with their masks off though.


25 posted on 12/26/2013 8:08:33 AM PST by februus
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To: SkyPilot

This guy is such an asshat.


26 posted on 12/26/2013 8:10:11 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“The Catholic church is the only institution standing in the way of global socialism.”

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Pope is PUSHING for a one-world authority that can redistribute wealth to make it fair. If that isn’t global socialism, what is?

“We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”. I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...

... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”


27 posted on 12/26/2013 8:18:20 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: SkyPilot

Also, as Bishop, he got a salary from the Peronist government of Argentina.


28 posted on 12/26/2013 8:19:25 AM PST by DManA
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To: SkyPilot

So Ryan’s going after the Catholic Socialist vote which seems to be in abundance in the U.S. these days...


29 posted on 12/26/2013 8:21:15 AM PST by Iscool
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To: SkyPilot

I say “The congressional retirement system is overly generous....most of these retirees go on to second careers working for lobbyists and getting paid to sit on boards and do nothing but draw a paycheck....and they keep a millions in campaign funds.... the money we save by getting rid of these frauds will be savings for the people...”

Ryan and people like him, can’t understand that the men and women in the military get paid a lot less than their civilian counterparts. In fact, if you consider the hours they’re actually on duty the pay is dismal. Plus, their families are part of it but don’t get paid jack.

I hope Ryan loses his conservative support. If he loses just a little the democrats in his district will send him to work for the lobbyists.


30 posted on 12/26/2013 8:21:49 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SkyPilot
I don't listen to Rush 3X5. Did he really say these words? I heard his careful criticism but I never heard the word Marxist. I seriously doubt it.

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh has already called Time's "Person of the Year" a closet Marxist

31 posted on 12/26/2013 8:22:51 AM PST by DManA
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To: SkyPilot

I’m skeptical of any man that parts his hair on the female side of the head...


32 posted on 12/26/2013 8:22:52 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

I never knew that, just thought it was a natural thing.
Does that mean I have to change after 60+ years to stay on FR?


33 posted on 12/26/2013 8:24:38 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Lazamataz
This guy is such an asshat.

Yes, sir.

34 posted on 12/26/2013 8:25:41 AM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: SkyPilot
This pope is either an imbecile or a heretic. He is at least one of the two and quite possibly both.
35 posted on 12/26/2013 8:27:29 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Biggirl
Remember Pope Fancis is living out what St. Francis of Asissi said “preach the Gospel and when possible use words”. Translation: Preach the Gospel by WALKING the walk you may only be the ONLY GOSPEL there is.

Bad advice...A lot of people look like they could be Christians and are not...The biblical advice is to 'preach' the Gospel...Open your mouth...The Gospel comes by hearing, not seeing...

36 posted on 12/26/2013 8:27:59 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

I thought your hair parted on the side that it wanted to part on! Some people have a choice? My hair parts on the left side and I am a woman, so is that the male side?


37 posted on 12/26/2013 8:28:36 AM PST by Ditter
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To: nascarnation

I switched part sides from left to right to left. People looked at me quizzically - did you lose weight? You look different. No one ever put their finger on it.


38 posted on 12/26/2013 8:29:00 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

That’s right to left. Had to think about it for a second.


39 posted on 12/26/2013 8:29:47 AM PST by DManA
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To: xzins
Dear xzins,

Nowadays, it's tough for anyone to get a new job, veteran or not.

But there are still many folks (like me) who mentally award extra “points” to folks whose résumés include service in the United States Armed Forces.

Veterans often have a bit of a leg up on the rest of folks when looking for a new career. In tough times like these, when lots and lots of folks in their 40s (and even 50s) are having to start second, or even third careers, veterans are relatively advantaged compared to non-vets.


sitetest

40 posted on 12/26/2013 8:30:24 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: nascarnation
Does that mean I have to change after 60+ years to stay on FR?

Nope...I didn't say you guys were bad, just said I was skeptical...

41 posted on 12/26/2013 8:32:22 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Ditter
I thought your hair parted on the side that it wanted to part on! Some people have a choice? My hair parts on the left side and I am a woman, so is that the male side?

Don't know...If I don't part my hair, there is no part...HaHaHa...But I play it safe...I part my hair in the middle...

42 posted on 12/26/2013 8:34:35 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Amazing the stuff you learn on FR...it never occurred to me that the part in my hair was causing a lack of credibility...

I know nobody here believed this guy...


43 posted on 12/26/2013 8:42:15 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: SkyPilot

Ryan and King, tuff on the pope and easy on the president.


44 posted on 12/26/2013 8:42:18 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Iscool

hhuummmmmm....... trying to imagine what you look like....... Maybe your hair is the reason flat top haircuts were invented or...... you are bald. :)


45 posted on 12/26/2013 8:43:31 AM PST by Ditter
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To: SkyPilot

Maybe the Pope does not Remember Ronald Reagan , but I do, and Trickle down worked great for him.

The Pope has maybe been looking at Venezuela’s trickledown to political cronies and gotten the wrong impression.

Does the Pope know that the poor are not what is keeping his Church’s bills paid? Fact is the rich will always be rich and the Middle strives to become rich and the poor sit and wait to be given the rich’s of the rich and the Middle.


46 posted on 12/26/2013 8:49:59 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: nascarnation

If you could see the entire picture, you’d see that there’s a strong wind blowing from Reagan’s right...


47 posted on 12/26/2013 9:26:42 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Ditter

Got plenty of hair...Back in the late 60’s when we all had Beatles haircuts, I had it chopped off and opted for a flat-top without telling my girlfriend before hand..That was my first major mistake as a human being...


48 posted on 12/26/2013 9:30:36 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Venturer
Maybe the Pope does not Remember Ronald Reagan , but I do, and Trickle down worked great for him.

It worked for Reagan but it sucked for the rest of the Country...

Big business got the tax breaks that 'trickled down' to them but instead of trickling down to new machinery and more American employees as we were led to believe it would, the tax money gushed over to China, Mexico and parts of Europe for big business expansion in those Countries...We the American workers didn't benefit at all...

In theory tho it was an alright idea...

49 posted on 12/26/2013 9:37:22 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Mr Ditter was in college when I met him and he had a flat top. He was cute!


50 posted on 12/26/2013 9:49:11 AM PST by Ditter
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