Skip to comments.CNN/ORC Poll: GOP Lead Growing for 2014(happy days are here at last)
Posted on 12/26/2013 2:09:42 PM PST by gooblah
A pre-Christmas CNN/ORC poll conducted from December 16-19 reveals that the GOP now has a growing lead in the 2014 Congressional elections. The GOP received 49% of the votes in the poll, while the Democrats sank to 44%. A CNN poll a month earlier showed the GOP with 49%, the Democrats 47%. Two months ago, The Democrats had a 50%-42% advantage.
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I am more interested in the polling of establishment Republicans versus Tea Party types. Choosing between (establishment) Republicans and Democrats is like choosing between cancer and AIDS.
Good news now, but let’s wait till the fat lady sings. The GOP has an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yeah. They did so well last time they owned both the House and Senate.
As a rule you have a choice between two candidates. Of course you know that. One will be a republican and the other a Democrat. The choice is pretty easy.
To simplify the choice, it doesn’t matter is the Republican was buried the week before, vote for him and work it out later. Forget the silly GOPE crap. No Democrat needs to be in office.
Yes. We need a conservative majority.
Let’s start recruiting witches and wizards!
We need to make doubly sure we win these races so we should nominate as many moderates to run in the general elections as possible. We don't want to scare away any independent voters, do we?
Maybe, but whomever wins the GOP primary deserves your vote. Period. The time to play games, use litmus tests, act noble and hunt RINO's is before the primary. Third party talk is soul food for suckers.
The most certain means of electing liberals is to believe in and vote for 3rd party Candidates.
Yeah, I love libertarians but to vote for one or some quack conservative only helps the liberals win when they may not have otherwise. Only after we achieve majorities in both houses can we afford the luxury of purifying the GOP.
(happy days are here at last) Sheesh!
I propose a simple set of rules for Conservatives for the Senate control.
1. Campaign for and support the most conservative candidate in the Republican primary. Especially those candidates who align with Cruz and Lee.
2. Work hard to defeat Graham because he should be an easy target that will send a message to Rinos. There needs to be at least one Rino defeat every cycle to keep the jerks somewhat honest.
3. Going for all Rinos at once might spread us too thin to get maximum effect. So pick the other targets carefully.
4. Once the Republican candidates have been chosen, throw all your support behind the conservatives aligned with Cruz and Lee. Let the Rinos win on their own.
5. In your state, vote for the Republican candidate no matter how distasteful it might be. An establishment Republican might be controlled by conservative leadership whereas a Dem or Independent cannot be controlled.
6. If we can get a large enough conservative contingent in the Republican majority, perhaps the conservatives can seize the leadership control and keep the Rinos in line. Rinos are by definition rather weak principled so they should fall in line with the leadership to get committee perks etc.
The leadership of the Republican majority in the Senate is the key. If Cruz and Lee can support enough winners in this cycle, they might be able to seize the reins of the Senate away from the GOPe.
That makes as much sense as cutting off your finger because you have a hangnail.
The majority in both houses control the agenda. You may enjoy some perverse satisfaction that you and you alone are pure in thought and deed, but Harry Reid will still be there.
If a heard of RINOs gets in expect them to stay the Obama course.
I didn't say anything about 3rd Party. Can't stand them
We need to primary out the traitors, the party needs to be taken back. If not, it needs to be set adrift to be a footnote in the history books.
I for one am tired of being screwed by phony SOBs
I agree with all but # 5. In some areas of the country (the Northeast, or Pacific coast), I would agree. But not in Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, Missouri, etc. Here, a RINO can do enormous damage by occupying a seat that really should be held by a conservative, if they were to represent their constituency.
But you are essentially right. The occasional RINO isn’t the big problem. The big problem is that the party is dominated by RINOs. I would vote for Susan Collins in the general, given that it is Maine. But in any of the aforementioned states, I would actually vote for the Democratic opponent, just to get the RINO out. In 6 years, get a real candidate, and win the seat back.
The damage done by the Grahams, McCains, McConnells, etc. are far greater than the damage a democrat could do.
Again with the “pure” reference. It’s not about purity. It is about the damage done by establishment Republicans, to our country, to conservatism, and perhaps most importantly, to the message.
Harry Reid would do far less damage, if he didn’t have so many allies on the other side of the aisle, especially allies from conservative states, who have little to fear from the electorate.
I agree billhilly and I know you’re in for a flaming.
I’d like to add this:
That the GOPe crap is real. But the time to deal with it is in the primary - NOT the general - as you’ve stated.
It is of utmost importance to minimize dem elected pols. We do this by NEVER voting for a dem in the general.
It is of utmost importance to minimize GOPe elected pols.We do this by NEVER voting for a GOPe in the primary.
But whatever you do, vote for whatever R gets in. Just do work beforehand to avoid the wrong one getting in.
This is STUPID idiotic nonsense! Why not NOW? What prevents conservatives from taking control NOW? Ted Cruz tried to do something, and is in a better position NOW.
As far as I'm concerned the idiotic, rino, liberal coddling GOP can go, YOU KNOW WHERE!
Plenty of time for the GOP to blow it... only poll that counts is the day after elections.
1. The moral relativism of the lesser of two evils philosophy has been draining the heart and soul of America for decades.We face far great danger from idiots than from traitors.
So begins an intellectually vacuous screed with a simple misstatement of fact. "Lesser of two evils" is not and has never been an example of moral relativism. You may as well say that any mention of "the greater good" is also moral relativism. That would be an equivalently whacked-out judgement. An example of moral relativism is this:The Muslims don't eat pork, this other group doesn't eat human flesh. Each system has its own proscriptions that are valid within their systems but have no reference to any overarching moral order because there is none. One may or may not eat pork or long pork as one wishes. Its degree of evil is relative only to the system in which it is found. Do your own thing, baby.
2. "Dont Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party" is exactly what folks like George Soros are saying. You can bet some of the biggest supporters (probably even financially if you could dig deep enough) of conservative third parties are liberal Democrats and other leftists who have taken over the Democrat Party and are busily working to take over the Republican Party. They know that dividing the vote amongst a variety of "Hey, I'm more conservative than you cause I didn't vote for any Republican" nitwits is one their most effective ways to destroy their opposition and to solidify a political hegemony.
Over the past thirty years they have taken control of one of the two largest political parties in a country where winner takes all in elections and are busily working to fracture the only opposition they have by encouraging conservatives to leave the Republican Party in the hands of RINOS rather than working to take over the party apparatus as they, the Leftists, have taken over the Democrat Party. For those who say, "Well, I'm a proud member of the Constitution Party or the Declaration Party or the Conservative Party or the Southern Principled Conservative Party of Holy Ghost Fire on the Mountain Pre-Rapture Remnant of the Real Thing Party and someday we'll be big enough to replace the Republican Party, just like the Temperance Party or the Bull Moose Party did":
Doofuses: we don't live in a parliamentary system where representation is divided proportionally between the losers!
It's winner take all, baby, and the sooner you realize that and stop wasting time fighting like cats and Baptists to multiply the number of me-so-conservative parties the sooner you'll have turned back the liberal encroachment on the existing main opposition party to their main vehicle for political power, the Democrat Party, instead of complimenting yourself on just how wonderfully more conservative your loser party is going to be than the one you deliberately abandoned to leftist takeover."Hey, I don't like these liberal bumper stickers on this fully functioning vehicle or the places its driver is taking us, right? So, I've got, like, this great plan to deal with that, 'kay? Instead of tossing the driver out on his butt and getting some more appropriate body detailing and then driving it wherever we want to go, we're going to get out at the next corner, wag our fingers really hard at the driver as he speeds off, and then from scratch build our own new most perfectly conservative vehicle and, someday, maybe, enter that into the race! And won't that glorious day be, oh, so grand?"And you think Jesus, or anyone other than a utopian statist, is going to say, "Well done, good and faithful servant for refusing to take back the existing opposition party and, instead, throwing your vote to something that couldn't possibly defeat a known enemy because you thought being considered a more nearly "true" conservative party than any other was more important than actually conserving and preserving the Republic against an ongoing enemy onslaught"?
“I for one am tired of being screwed by phony SOBs “
I get the point. You prefer to get screwed by the real thing, unabashed left wing dictators. Good for you. Maybe the democrat party is the best place for you misfits. At least you can believe that they are uncompromising.
Like drinking poison, you can gulp it or sip it. It will still kill you.
Well I don’t think the two scenarios you posted are an exhaustive list - and I don’t think even they are accurate. Most shocking was your assertion that if a D is elected instead of a GOPe, that surely the next election would instal a conservative.... WHAT THE WHAT? How would that work? If a D is better in one election, why would the D no longer be ok in the next? What would the catalyst be for such a change?
So we’ll just have to disagree on this.
What we DO agree on i think is that work MUST be done in the primary to get the right person on the ticket.
What we don’t seem to agree on is what to do if the ideal person is defeated in the primary.
I suppose it’s a matter of degree but almost always I’ll vote for the R in the general. But as you or someone else noted - it would be worthwhile to eliminate a few bad apples. Lindsey for example.
But I would so much prefer an R majority in the senate and the house than not.
Yeah, the kamikaze Conservatives proved that by staying home and not voting for RINO's that some high cause was served.
Not voting or wasting a vote on a third party candidate is how many liberals are elected. You could serve yourself and our country better by waking up to reality.
Such an all or nothing attitude just allows more liberals to get elected or retain their seat. The kamikaze Conservatives just can't seem to understand that to govern and change things, candidates must win more votes than are in the choir.
That had to give CNN a butt clench.
MIA LOVE BUMP!
Why would I vote for a liberal like Romney or McCain? I thought that’s what we were trying to avoid LOL
No. We were trying to avoid Obama.
No wonder we lost. And shame on me for once believing that low information voters elected Obama. You make a good case that it was folks who couldn't differentiate between Romney or McCain and Obama that made the difference.
Perhaps you should just stay home for the next election cycle. At least you won't get it wrong again.
Not to worry, the Stupid Party has a history of snatching defeat from the jaws of Victory.
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