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The 1993 Houston Oilers had at least two gay players, former teammates say
Yahoo Sports ^ | 12/27/13 | Frank Schwab

Posted on 12/27/2013 10:13:58 AM PST by Oliviaforever

The topic of whether a gay player would be accepted in a NFL locker room is probably overblown. Players like teammates who can help them win. The rest is trivial.

This is shown by the 1993 Houston Oilers. The Houston Chronicle ran a tremendous oral history on that wild season and team (it's excellent, check it out, as was the NFL Network's "A Football Life" episode on the '93 Oilers), and in it there's a revelation that the Oilers had at least two gay players.

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If true, this may begin to explain the disaster the Oilers became in 1993 and the few years that followed until Bud Adams and the Oilers left Houston.
1 posted on 12/27/2013 10:13:58 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

“May” explain the disaster? LOL


2 posted on 12/27/2013 10:16:16 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Oliviaforever

Lemme guess ... One of them was a tight end and the other was a wide receiver. :-P


3 posted on 12/27/2013 10:16:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Oliviaforever
Can't help myself: didn't that team include Billy "White Shoes" Johnson?
4 posted on 12/27/2013 10:17:11 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Oliviaforever

Yet no one felt a need to tell us then. Why do we need to know now?


5 posted on 12/27/2013 10:18:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

He was retired by then. I think he retired in the late 1980s.


6 posted on 12/27/2013 10:19:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Oliviaforever

That make you wonder LOL!


7 posted on 12/27/2013 10:19:59 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

White Shoes was there in the 1970’s.


8 posted on 12/27/2013 10:20:48 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

The “Oilers”, no less.


9 posted on 12/27/2013 10:20:55 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Oliviaforever

10 posted on 12/27/2013 10:21:34 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Plus one crack-snorting wife beater.....


11 posted on 12/27/2013 10:23:04 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

I think that was with the Fal-cant’s, excuse me Falcon’s.


12 posted on 12/27/2013 10:24:00 AM PST by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Put me in the category of “Who gives a damn?”


13 posted on 12/27/2013 10:25:32 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Oliviaforever
Who cares about the 1993 Oilers. What I want to know is the 1946 Red Sox. They totally folded that year in the World Series against the Cardinals. Can somebody comb through that lineup, identify the responsible homosexuals involved in blowing that series, and get back to us?

Thank you and have a nice day.

14 posted on 12/27/2013 10:26:11 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Oliviaforever

1993 Houston Oilers Roster

Player Pos G GS Birthdate College
Melvin Aldridge DB 1 0 07/22/1970 Murray State
Jeff Alm DT 2 0 03/31/1968 Notre Dame
Micheal Barrow LB 16 0 04/19/1970 Miami
Blaine Bishop DB 16 2 07/24/1970 Ball State
Joe Bowden LB 16 6 02/25/1970 Oklahoma
Gary Brown RB 16 8 07/01/1969 Penn State
Reggie Brown WR 4 0 05/05/1970 Alabama State
Tony Brown DB 16 0 05/15/1970 Fresno State
Cody Carlson QB 8 2 11/05/1963 Baylor
Ray Childress DT 16 16 10/20/1962 Texas A&M
Pat Coleman WR 13 1 04/08/1967 Mississippi
Doug Dawson OG 16 16 12/27/1961 Texas
Al Del Greco K 16 0 03/02/1962 Auburn
Cris Dishman DB 16 16 08/13/1965 Purdue
Kevin Donnalley OG 16 6 06/10/1968 North Carolina
Willie Drewrey WR 16 0 04/28/1963 West Virginia
Curtis Duncan WR 12 12 01/26/1965 Northwestern
William Fuller DE 16 16 03/08/1962 North Carolina
Ernest Givins WR 16 16 09/03/1964 Louisville
Travis Hannah WR 12 0 01/31/1970 Southern California
Leonard Harris WR 4 2 11/27/1960 Texas Tech
Terry Hoage DB 3 0 04/11/1962 Georgia
Brad Hopkins OT 16 11 09/05/1970 Illinois
Steve Jackson DB 16 12 04/08/1969 Purdue
Haywood Jeffires WR 16 16 12/12/1964 North Carolina State
Sean Jones DE 16 16 12/19/1962 Northeastern
Tony Jones WR 2 0 12/30/1965 Texas
Scott Kozak LB 16 0 11/28/1965 Oregon
Lamar Lathon LB 13 1 12/23/1967 Houston
Darryll Lewis DB 4 4 12/16/1968 Arizona
Wilber Marshall LB 10 10 04/18/1962 Florida
Emanuel Martin DB 1 0 07/31/1969 Alabama State
Le’Shai Maston RB 10 0 10/07/1970 Baylor
Bruce Matthews OG 16 16 08/08/1961 Southern California
Damon Mays WR 1 0 05/20/1968 Missouri
Keith McCants DE 13 0 04/19/1968 Alabama
Bubba McDowell DB 14 14 11/04/1966 Miami
John Henry Mills RB 16 0 10/31/1969 Wake Forest
Glenn Montgomery DT 16 11 03/31/1967 Houston
Greg Montgomery P 15 0 10/29/1964 Michigan State
Warren Moon QB 15 14 11/18/1956 Washington
Mike Munchak OG 13 12 03/05/1960 Penn State
Erik Norgard C 16 4 11/04/1965 Colorado
Bo Orlando DB 16 3 04/03/1966 West Virginia
Bucky Richardson QB 2 0 02/07/1969 Texas A&M
Tim Roberts DE 6 0 04/14/1969 Southern Mississippi
Marcus Robertson DB 13 13 10/02/1969 Iowa State
Eddie Robinson LB 16 15 04/13/1970 Alabama State
Webster Slaughter WR 14 14 10/19/1964 San Diego State
Al Smith LB 16 16 11/26/1964 Utah State
Kent Sullivan P 1 0 05/15/1964 California Lutheran
Mike Teeter DL 14 0 10/04/1967 Michigan
Stan Thomas OT 14 0 10/28/1968 Texas
Spencer Tillman RB 15 0 04/21/1964 Oklahoma
Craig Veasey DT 1 0 12/25/1966 Houston
Gary Wellman WR 11 3 08/09/1967 Southern California
Lorenzo White RB 8 8 04/12/1966 Michigan State
David Williams OT 15 15 06/21/1966 Florida
Lee Williams DE 14 5 10/15/1962 Bethune-Cookman

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/houston-oilers/roster/1993


15 posted on 12/27/2013 10:26:43 AM PST by kcvl
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To: cripplecreek

“Yet no one felt a need to tell us then. Why do we need to know now?”

Good question. I think the answer is to begin to prepare the fans for the inevitable homosexualizing of professional football.

Amazingly, they already got grown men and their fans to wear pink and embrace the ‘womans touch’ in general on football, such as going way overboard on ‘safety’ on the field for example and other things meant to chip away at the manliness of the players and the game in general.


16 posted on 12/27/2013 10:26:56 AM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There is actually a connection here as ESPN recently ran a program about the 1993 Houston Oilers and labeled that team “the most dysfunctional team in NFL history.”


17 posted on 12/27/2013 10:28:29 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

Wow. Who cares.


18 posted on 12/27/2013 10:29:03 AM PST by struggle
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To: Alberta's Child

Ouch! Couldn’t help yourself could you? LOL!


19 posted on 12/27/2013 10:30:57 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Oliviaforever

No wonder they got their asses kicked by the Chiefs with Montana.


20 posted on 12/27/2013 10:31:22 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Oliviaforever

Well, the Cowboys had Troy Aikman.


21 posted on 12/27/2013 10:31:23 AM PST by forgotten man
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To: Revolting cat!

The 93 Oilers sucked???


22 posted on 12/27/2013 10:32:28 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Oliviaforever

Among the storylines discussed during Houston ’93: A Football Life are:

The 1992 AFC Wild Card Game in which the Oilers lost to the Buffalo Bills after leading 35-3 in the fourth quarter

The tension that existed between defensive coordinator Buddy Ryan and offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride, and Ryan’s attempt to punch Gilbride on the sidelines during the season finale against the New York Jets
Quarterback Warren Moon’s benching after a 1-4 start to the season
Offensive lineman’s David Williams decision to miss a game and stay at home for the birth of his son, and the ensuing controversy that surrounded it

The loss to the Kansas City Chiefs in the 1993 AFC Divisional Round at home

Houston ‘93: A Football Life includes interviews with the following people:
Warren Moon – Oilers quarterback
Mike Munchak – Oilers offensive lineman
Buddy Ryan – Oilers defensive coordinator
Cris Dishman – Oilers defensive back
Haywood Jeffires – Oilers wide receiver
Cody Carlson – Oilers quarterback
Steve Underwood – Oilers Vice President
William Fuller – Oilers defensive lineman
Doug Dawson – Oilers offensive lineman
Tom Franklin – Oilers radio broadcaster
Floyd Reese – Oilers Assistant General Manager
Kevin Gilbride – Oilers offensive coordinator
Bruce Matthews – Oilers/Titans offensive lineman
Gregg Williams – Oilers assistant coach
Spencer Tillman – Oilers running back
Bubba McDowell – Oilers defensive back
Ray Childress – Oilers defensive lineman
Ernest Givins – Oilers wide receiver
Sean Jones – Oilers defensive end
Brad Hopkins – Oilers/Titans offensive lineman
Ronnie Jones – Oilers linebackers coach
John McClain – Houston Chronicle
Ray Buck – Houston Post

Provided below are some select quotes from Houston ‘93: A Football Life:

- “We’re right there with the best shot ever and we blow the biggest lead in NFL history. That is going to stay with you for a while.” – Cody Carlson on the loss to the Buffalo Bills in the 1992 AFC Wild Card Game

- “I certainly had heard of the difficulty in Chicago with Mike Ditka. Until you go through the actual experience of it I don’t think you have any idea how bad it really is.” – Kevin Gilbride on Buddy Ryan

- “That was our primary purpose: to go out there and beat Buddy [Ryan] up every day because of the way he treated us.” – Haywood Jeffires

- “When you look up ‘team’ in the dictionary and all of the positive characteristics and qualities about ‘team,’ we had none of those.” – Bruce Matthews

http://nflcommunications.com/2013/12/05/the-1993-houston-oilers-chronicled-on-nfl-networks-a-football-life-tuesday-december-10-at-900-pm-et/


23 posted on 12/27/2013 10:32:44 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Oliviaforever

Eh, big deal...


24 posted on 12/27/2013 10:33:10 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: cripplecreek

The rumor at the time in this 1993 story is that one of these guys was giving oral to the other at the time of the car crash “maiming” one and killing the other. The survivor committed suicide at the scene.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/15/sports/pro-football-a-friend-dies-and-oiler-kills-himself.html

Minutes after crashing his car on a freeway exit ramp and watching as his best friend was thrown to his death early today, Houston Oilers defensive tackle Jeff Alm took a shotgun from the car and killed himself, apparently in a fit of guilt or despair, the police said.


25 posted on 12/27/2013 10:34:57 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Paulie

Yes, let us check with Dick Butkus and Jack Ham and see what they think of what has happened to the NFL since they left...


26 posted on 12/27/2013 10:36:35 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Paulie

They don’t show the cheerleaders on tv anymore either.

Pink ribbons are fine though.


27 posted on 12/27/2013 10:36:56 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Lol.


28 posted on 12/27/2013 10:42:18 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Oliviaforever

One of those teammates was Ernest Givens, a star receiver with the Oilers in the mid-1990s and the subject of rumors back then even before the Internet took off. Givens addressed the issue with ESPN in 1998 and denied he was gay.

I’m not gay, but there’s a rumor that’s out there, and there isn’t a damn thing I can do about it.

Givens said he was called “Ernestine” and accused by others of hitting on younger receivers. In the ESPN interview, he sounds like he had a fairly miserable experience with the Oilers over the issue.

http://www.outsports.com/2011/5/31/4051358/hall-of-fame-quarterback-warren-moon-says-he-played-with-gay-teammates


29 posted on 12/27/2013 10:43:55 AM PST by kcvl
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To: All
I have a book about the Baltimore Colts in the Johnny Unitas era. One of my favorite stories describes a game against the Chicago Bears. Unitas had been beaten up pretty good during the course of the game. Finally he got his nose busted and broken. His nose and lip were bleeding. John took some dirt from the field and shoved into his nose to stop the bleeding.

In the huddle, a player told him he shouldn't be in the game. John asked, "Why not?" "Your face John; look at your face," replied the other player. Unitas' promptly told him, "I don't throw the ball with my face." He then proceeded to throw a 47 yard touchdown pass on the next play.

Ahh, the good old days.

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30 posted on 12/27/2013 10:49:31 AM PST by Bronzewound (Lost Hope & Loose Change)
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To: Oliviaforever

Another day, another gay story.


31 posted on 12/27/2013 10:49:49 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Oliviaforever

Two gay players in 1993. And this matters...why????


32 posted on 12/27/2013 10:50:40 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Oliviaforever

All I remember about those Oiler teams of the early nineties was they scored a heckuva lot of points with the run-and-shoot but never advanced in the playoffs.


33 posted on 12/27/2013 10:51:27 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Did they SUCK ?


34 posted on 12/27/2013 10:53:04 AM PST by skinndogNN
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To: Rummyfan

“All I remember about those Oiler teams of the early nineties was they scored a heckuva lot of points with the run-and-shoot but never advanced in the playoffs.”

They were fun to watch, but it is hard to control the ball and the clock with the run and shoot.

As a wise man one said. “Only three things can happen when you pass and two of ‘em are bad.”


35 posted on 12/27/2013 11:00:48 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Bronzewound

Love Unitas stories - thanks for that one!


36 posted on 12/27/2013 11:01:29 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: SamAdams76
What I want to know is the 1946 Red Sox. They totally folded that year in the World Series against the Cardinals. Can somebody comb through that lineup, identify the responsible homosexuals involved in blowing that series, and get back to us?

What about the Cubs?

37 posted on 12/27/2013 11:02:21 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: kcvl

Wonder if one of them was this guy....I remember hearing some rumors back then as to what really happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/15/sports/pro-football-a-friend-dies-and-oiler-kills-himself.html


38 posted on 12/27/2013 11:05:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Oliviaforever

Have cousins in Houston. I remember during that time there were rumors about an incident where an Oilers player was involved in an auto accident where his teammate was killed. That player then shot himself in the head right there at the scene.

The rumors where that the first player was driving while his teammate had his head in his lap. He crashed on a highway overpass, and the player with his head down was thrown from the car, and landed 40 feet below. The driver had his penis bitten off by the guy that was thrown from the car, that is why he shot himself in the head at the scene.


39 posted on 12/27/2013 11:06:02 AM PST by KMG365
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To: a fool in paradise

Yep, I just referenced that story as well. when I saw the headline, this was precisely the first thing that came to mind.


40 posted on 12/27/2013 11:06:40 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

Bingo! Who gives a $#*+?


41 posted on 12/27/2013 11:07:27 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Lemme guess ... One of them was a tight end and the other was a wide receiver. :-P”

The 1993 Oilers did not have a Tight End on their roster.


42 posted on 12/27/2013 11:09:05 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

Only 2? Was it the straightest team in the NFL?

Wasn’t it in the late 60s that they used to say that there were 4 gay starting quarterbacks in the NFL? A couple were easy, and the third wasn’t that difficult to figure out, but I never did find out who the 4th was.


43 posted on 12/27/2013 11:09:49 AM PST by PAR35
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To: a fool in paradise
The 93 Oilers sucked???

"Yeah, Moe, that team sure sucked last night. They just plain sucked. I've seen teams suck before but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks who ever sucked."

44 posted on 12/27/2013 11:11:15 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: kcvl

So which of those guys is now so far behind on child support payments he’ll be willing to “out” his teammates to a tabloid?


45 posted on 12/27/2013 11:12:47 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Oliviaforever

One player committed suicide after a car accident that year. The rumor was his “friend” from school was engaged in a certain act when the accident happened, and a certain part of the player’s body was amputated and his friend thrown from a fifty-foot overpass.


46 posted on 12/27/2013 11:14:35 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: kcvl

Well, it wasn’t Warren Moon. He was a regular in all the strip clubs around town. DEFINITELY preferred the Ladies.

I think we can rule out Mike Munchak too.

My money would be on Ernest Givens..

And, maybe Spencer Tillman. He was from Oklahoma, and EVERYONE in Texas knows, OU SUCKS!


47 posted on 12/27/2013 11:20:42 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: Paulie

What you said.


48 posted on 12/27/2013 11:24:48 AM PST by Luke21
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To: Oliviaforever
No, I guess they were pretty "loose ends" by that point. :-P

Seriously ... good point. That was one of the criticisms of the "Run & Shoot" offense at the time. Without tight ends they couldn't execute well in short-yardage situations, and they couldn't run a ball-control offense. That's one big reason why they lost to Buffalo in the 1992 playoffs even though they had a 35-3 lead late in the game.

49 posted on 12/27/2013 11:29:59 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: a fool in paradise

Yep. First thing I thought of when I saw headline/year. Was all the buzz at Christmas parties (in Houston area), that year.


50 posted on 12/27/2013 11:35:55 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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