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Judge Upholds NSA Phone Snooping Program [ "reasonableness" is the liberal litmus test ]
breitbart.com ^ | Dec 27,2013 | Elizabeth Sheld

Posted on 12/27/2013 1:08:49 PM PST by NoLibZone

Today, a judge ruled that the NSA surveillance program that collects millions of American's phone calls is "lawful." The case was brought by the ACLU: American Civil Liberties Union et al v. Clapper et al, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, No. 13-03994

In his ruling, U.S District Judge Willian Pauley described how the government program "vacuums up information about virtually every telephone call to, from, or within the United States." But went on to say that the program's constitutionality "is ultimately a question of reasonableness," and that there was no evidence that the government had used "bulk telephony metadata" for any reason other than to investigate and disrupt terrorist attacks.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 4th; constitution; constitutionality; nsa; phonesnopping; reasonableness; spying
constitutionality "is ultimately a question of reasonableness," U.S District Judge Willian Pauley

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1 posted on 12/27/2013 1:08:49 PM PST by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

Quartering troops in your abode? It’s reasonable - where else would they stay. General warrant allows the gubermint to snoop through your things? It’s reasonable. If you have done nothing wrong, what do you have to fear? Oh, worried about what we deem wrong? That’s not reasonable.


2 posted on 12/27/2013 1:14:36 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: NoLibZone
"constitutionality "is ultimately a question of reasonableness,""

How nuance-able and relative.

3 posted on 12/27/2013 1:15:03 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: NoLibZone
"reasonableness" is the liberal litmus test"

If they do it to you. If you do it to the Taliban, its fascism.

4 posted on 12/27/2013 1:15:48 PM PST by marron
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To: NoLibZone

Unreasonableness? I guess I can plead, fedupwiddisness.


5 posted on 12/27/2013 1:17:30 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I heard that. "fedupwiddisness." im not certain I can pronounce it But i most certainly "heard it"


6 posted on 12/27/2013 1:24:43 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Its beginning to look a lot like Kwanzaa)
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To: NoLibZone

This is what it looks like to an outside observer: A judges decides, then orders his minions to find law that supports his decision.


7 posted on 12/27/2013 1:29:39 PM PST by DManA
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To: NoLibZone

I always get a belly laugh when I hear about judges reflecting on ‘reasonable’. First of all I don’t know diddly if any such judge has a sense of reason; many of the ones I know of and have dealt with are little more than personal job scabs. Secondly when a judge at any level gives out sanctimonious talk to ordinary citizens in the vein of some God given superior gift or mandate of justice I believe it is time to really time to look deep into that judge’s life history. I have known too many judges with skeletons in their closets.


8 posted on 12/27/2013 1:33:16 PM PST by noinfringers2 ( /*)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Fed up wid dis ness. : )


9 posted on 12/27/2013 1:38:47 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: NoLibZone

It should be kept in mind that Judge Pauley was the one selected to handle the James Giffen Kazakh oil bribe case, which dragged on for years and years mainly over Giffen’s claim that he was acting on behalf of the CIA and US Intelligence Community and was thus entitled to masses of classified documents. In the end, Giffen did not appear to get to introduce much of the evidence he claimed, but the case ended with the barest of wrist-slaps for Giffen (aside from his huge legal costs).

Pauley thus should probably be considered “one of them” — the mostly faceless, unofficial intelligence elite who somewhere along the line got their tickets punched to handle classified matters. His ruling may be not so much a liberal/conservative outcome as a self-serving bit of case law handed up by one of the spook world’s own minions. How convenient.


10 posted on 12/27/2013 1:47:27 PM PST by Tenega
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I hear that !!!

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11 posted on 12/27/2013 1:49:48 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Its beginning to look a lot like Kwanzaa)
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To: NoLibZone

“Reasonableness” will be whatever they decide they want to do. I believe it’s past time to go back to the Constitution as written.


12 posted on 12/27/2013 2:10:10 PM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: NoLibZone

The black robed criminals strike again......

The ACLU is going to be placed in an interesting situation now.


13 posted on 12/27/2013 2:10:30 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Here in the south we say, “Ihurddat”. Deaf southerners say, “Isawdat”.


14 posted on 12/27/2013 2:19:11 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: NoLibZone

“Ultimately a question of reasonableness” is actually written in the Constitution.

It is just written in invisible ink so only the elite among us can see it.


15 posted on 12/27/2013 2:21:32 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: NoLibZone

It would be reasonable for me not pay income tax.


16 posted on 12/27/2013 2:22:23 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: NoLibZone

find a couple misguided or corrupted judges (not saying anything about this guy who I don’t know), and
the IslamoNazi administration can ram through any kind of oppression it wants

our Constitutional liberties are disposable,
alas.

three more years....
pray for America!


17 posted on 12/27/2013 2:24:49 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Ihurddat” is more universal than yall might think.

Im out on the far left coast and I hear it spoken quite often.


18 posted on 12/27/2013 4:04:05 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Its beginning to look a lot like Kwanzaa)
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To: NoLibZone

Another judge who hates the Constitution and wouldn’t know it if it introduced itself.


19 posted on 12/27/2013 4:06:33 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Oh I know. But do the west coat deaf people say Isawdat?


20 posted on 12/28/2013 4:51:30 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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