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It is inexplicable to me that the extreme policies, activities advocated by this administration continue to find themselves legally viable, and despite the challenges they've faced as being counter to the principles, protection bestowed upon us our founding fathers, are nevertheless being permitted to stand, allowed to remain law of the land.
1 posted on 12/27/2013 2:17:39 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Ruling’s not a surprise — this is going to the USSC.


2 posted on 12/27/2013 2:18:45 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: lbryce

So if the govt contracts a company to do something they can ignore the entire Constitution?


3 posted on 12/27/2013 2:19:44 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lbryce

Pauley was nominated by President Bill Clinton on May 21, 1998.


5 posted on 12/27/2013 2:25:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: lbryce
SCOTUS ruled, in Smith v. Maryland, 442 US 735 (1979), that individuals have no legitimate expectation of privacy regarding the telephone numbers they dial because they knowingly give that information to the telephone companies when they dial the number.

In this case, ACLU v. Clapper, the judge notes a government admission that it has been collecting substantially ALL phone connection metadata since May 2006. This vacuuming of data by the government isn't something new or unique to the Obama administration. The government is continuously increasing its surveillance, as technology permits. Once in awhile it gets caught and Congress puts on a dog and pony show, complete with enactment of meaningless legislation. See, e.g., the Church Hearings.

8 posted on 12/27/2013 2:39:06 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: lbryce

In 1979, when the FISA court was established, you had to get a warrant for the specific numbers you wanted to capture and trace. This could be done if a warrant was properly approved by the FISA court.

Back in those days, the information was analog, not digital.

Today, you still need a FISA court warrant for a specific use or target. What the NSA did was get three month warrants for the entire country and the FISA court approved that, in clear contradiction to the FISA law.

Also, in 2013, most telephonic communication is digital INCLUDING THE CONVERSATION. Now, the call can be reconstructed in the future, including the CONTENT of the call because all of the digital information has been hoovered for future reference.

This is why this needs to be stopped. no more hoovering. That’s for vacuum cleaners only.

If the NSA or FBI has a specific target, they may apply for a FISA court warrant for that. Otherwise, they cannot be allowed to just take all telephonic information with the expectation of future use at their whim and direction. Doing that makes a mockery of the Fourth Amendment.


10 posted on 12/27/2013 2:46:54 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: lbryce

William H. Pauley III.... a Bill Clintoon appointee


11 posted on 12/27/2013 2:48:59 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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so lets tap into the judges lines and see how long the ruling will last.
13 posted on 12/27/2013 2:57:08 PM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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The FedMob government is flagrantly lawless from top to bottom, TigersEye rules.


18 posted on 12/27/2013 3:27:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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“This blunt tool only works because it collects everything,”
Did not stop the Boston bombing...
Neither did a Russian HEADS UP!?
Stoopid stupid soupid. Govmint government gubment.


19 posted on 12/27/2013 3:40:14 PM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: lbryce

A Federal judge who neither understands the Constitution nor supports it.


21 posted on 12/27/2013 4:12:02 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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A ruling from a federal judge is no different than the opinion of some random jackass these days.

The system needs to be reigned in big time.


24 posted on 12/27/2013 5:11:18 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lbryce

This ruling would make all wiretaps legal.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 12:52:43 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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It may be legal (meaning it complies with some law congress enacted) but it is certainly unconsitutional. The USSC will end up ruling that the current laws allowing this crap, are unconstitutional.


32 posted on 12/28/2013 2:39:37 PM PST by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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Judge Pauley should be impeached. No way government is authorized to collect everybody’s every communication and store them. It is a clear prescription for abuse of power.


33 posted on 12/28/2013 2:51:48 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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We have to assume that the Supreme Court Justices, along with all of CONgress, Federal Court Judges, State Legislatures, Courts, and Governors are being spied on by the NSA and are potentially being blackmailed.


37 posted on 12/29/2013 11:14:31 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: lbryce
Just because some clown in a magic black robe says something, doesn't mean it's true.

Remember that the Supreme Clown, Roger Taney, said stuff about blacks in America that was patent garbage.

The only reason clowns like this make their clownishness stick is that there are guys with guns backing them up.

That's what is known as "tyranny"...

39 posted on 12/30/2013 9:48:41 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: lbryce
Further evidence that Thomas Jefferson was 100% correct in his assessment of the judicial branch of our federal government:

The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal Judiciary; an irresponsible body (for impeachment is scarcely a scare-crow) working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped.

-- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Charles Hammond, August 18, 1821

41 posted on 12/30/2013 1:09:24 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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