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Why there will be war
RenewAmerica ^ | December 27, 2013 | Sylvia Thompson

Posted on 12/27/2013 2:46:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

As the Left foams at the mouth over Phil Robertson, the Christian man who described Almighty God's take on homosexuality and other gross sins, their fear is becoming more and more apparent. They seem gradually to be realizing that they are a pernicious minority that only thrives because they are bolstered by Obama's morally corrupt federal government; intellectually lightweight media, devoid of principles; and interestingly, a general decency of American people influenced by the nation's Judeo-Christian roots. The masses, however, are becoming increasingly fed up with the Left's imposition of a twisted worldview that does not comport with anything resembling America as it was founded, and they are voicing that sentiment by the thousands. So far, the pushback is with protests and petitions against amoral multi-million-dollar corporations, such as Cracker Barrel and A&E. Such benign acts of self-preservation will not continue indefinitely.

If it were not so pathetic, it would be laughable that some leftists actually think that they can dictate to those of us who oppose their worldview how we should say things that offend them. I refer here to the Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren's question to former governor Sarah Palin on a recent "On the Record" show. She asked Palin if it would not have been better if Mr. Robertson had said what he said differently. That attitude, which is shared by others of Ms. Van Susteren's leftist cohorts on Fox and throughout the culture, is insufferably hubristic. We, who oppose their worldview, must now speak our opposition only in ways that they approve.

It is also interesting that those who oppose biblical Christianity (and a few who claim that they do not oppose it) have trotted out their list of affirmed homosexuals who proclaim Phil Robertson's right to "his opinion." To any but the scripturally ignorant, Robertson's statements are not "his opinion." He did not inspire the writing of the scriptures that condemn homosexuality; God did. In paraphrasing Scripture, Robertson did not compare homosexuality to bestiality; God did. Robertson's "opinion" is only that he chooses to accept God's directives. What homosexuals and the rest of the Left fail to comprehend is that their ultimate fight is with God, not believing Christians. We just happen to be visible objects to which wrath can be directed.

In a recent airing of the "Sean Hannity" show on Fox Cable News, Hannity hosted two Catholic priests and a female Fox religion commentator to discuss the Robertson issue. This show inadvertently shed light on the division in the Christian church between those who will follow God's directives and those who choose not to.

Of the two priests, one (also a Fox commentator) was clearly of a leftist bent. He tried to make the case that homosexuality is not sin if it is not acted upon. That twisted logic is employed by many proclaimed Christians grappling with how to accept homosexuality for personal reasons in light of God's condemnation of it. The second priest (obviously biblically directed) immediately followed with the biblical truth that the inclination to homosexuality itself is condemned by God. He compared the inclination to that of Hannity's lusting after a female, if he chose to do so. Pope Benedict XVI, who preceded the current Pontiff, described homosexuality as a "disordered orientation," allowing for the fact that the behavior can be "ordered" if the homosexual chooses to seek help, obviously from God and, if necessary, from medical professionals.

A moment of deafening silence ensued between the two priests, with a disapproving look from the leftist. He seemed perturbed at having been countered by the other priest. There was no nodding of the head in agreement. It turns out that the priest with the leftist view of Scripture has a homosexual sister in a "union" with another woman.

Frank Camp, a commentator posting at the Last Resistance blog site (12/23/2013), states that the latest strike by the Left against Christians (in the person of Phil Robertson) is a defining moment in time. He predicts, and I agree, that this moment is only one of many coming in the near future as the agenda of the Left becomes more and more hostile toward "average American values." He describes the current circumstances as what happens when Americans get angry and do something about it. As does Mr. Camp, I think there is a power embodied in righteously indignant anger that can take down any foe. That foe, in our time, comprises the Left (in all its manifestations, particularly its defiance against Almighty God); elitists, those in power and those claiming power that they do not deserve (such as Democrats, establishment Republicans, and the media – including the Fox News cadre of liberals and faux-conservatives); and other anti-God, anti-American forces that have long sought America's destruction from within.

I truly hope that Phil Robertson has started a different movement, one that is not political but expressive of patriotic America saying "Enough."

Before this nation's founding, a group of pilgrims were able to escape the repression of the Church of England by seeking safe haven in a new territory. There are no more new worlds. There is nowhere else to run, and there will be no coming together in peaceful coexistence. The reason is that Christians are being required to do what we will not and cannot do – defy God for the sake of a corrupt, rotting culture. And not all Christians will passively bow to force.

This space called America cannot be concurrently occupied by the existing opposing worldviews. How this tragedy that is the destruction of America will play out remains to be seen, but I predict that it will not end peacefully.


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When will the divorce occur?
1 posted on 12/27/2013 2:46:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wake me when the shooting starts. I suspect I will be in for a LONG, LONG wait.


2 posted on 12/27/2013 2:51:48 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: CatOwner

Either that or any day now.


3 posted on 12/27/2013 2:52:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They have and will win battles in their crusade for creating a society not liked by God. This is just another battle in the war between good and evil. While they will win battles, they lose soldiers every day to disease that is a direct result of their lifestyle. Like the Nazis they so well emulate in many ways, they will win battles, skirmishes and encounters but will lose the war. It is written that they will be thrown into the fires of hell if they do not change their ways. No newspaper, politician or college professor can do one thing to stop that ultimate outcome.


4 posted on 12/27/2013 2:53:56 PM PST by armydawg505
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My guess is after 2 and a half more miserable years of Obama, when Hillary is elected. It will be clear then to any patriot that elections are no longer about honest Americans trying to decide who is best for the country. It will mean that the section 8 housing voters, the race voters, the ABORTION ON DEMAND voters, and the morons who will do whatever Hollywood says have spawned in significant numbers to sever any connection between elections and actual events.


5 posted on 12/27/2013 2:57:25 PM PST by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't know about the "divorce" but we're definitely experiencing a distinct separation and it's not an "amicable" one!

As for me, knowing that I have posted on my door post, "As for me and my house, we will serve The Lord," I'm publicly pronouncing all who choose to enter, that they are welcome to a home that honors and fears God.

6 posted on 12/27/2013 3:03:11 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He tried to make the case that homosexuality is not sin if it is not acted upon.

That's akin to saying a drunk is still in sin from drinking when he gets sober...but still is tempted

Maybe someone would like to correct me, but in God's eyes sin is sin...there is no degree of difference in his eyes...maybe in the Catholic church they may teach that...but I do not find it in God's word...

If a man has homosexual impulses and does not act on them...he is not guilty of a homosexual acts...he still is guilty of lust in his heart...just like any sinner..

7 posted on 12/27/2013 3:03:32 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CatOwner

If it didn’t happen for abortion in the 40 years or so it’s has been accepted as legal I can’t see it happening over state accepted ‘gay marriage.’

I also don’t know what to say about the coverage/outrage ratio between a star getting fired from a cable reality show for saying he thinks homosexual acts are sinful and gross and two actual states being forced to accept ‘gay marriage’ by federal judges. That’s really weird, in my opinion.

Freegards


8 posted on 12/27/2013 3:04:48 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: SoCalTransplant
It will be clear then to any patriot that elections are no longer about honest Americans trying to decide who is best for the country

I think you should have used the past tense. That already happened, in 2008.

9 posted on 12/27/2013 3:08:39 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why there will be war

“America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” --- opening lines of “101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution by Claire Wolfe

10 posted on 12/27/2013 3:12:08 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: armydawg505

>> ... they will win battles, skirmishes and encounters but will lose the war. <<

They have already lost the war. Our “Commander” took care of that when He sent His son into our midst 2000 some years ago.

Praise the Lord.


11 posted on 12/27/2013 3:13:59 PM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

a&e caved... we won one and the left and the gaytard movement was dealt a harsh blow. Small steps.


12 posted on 12/27/2013 3:29:24 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
IMO if God does not punish America and any other nation that lives immorally and leads a sinful lifestyle such as America does and continues to reject Him and His teachings then He will need to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. Anyone who truly knows Him knows that God doesn't apologize to anyone as He is unerring.
13 posted on 12/27/2013 3:30:49 PM PST by Ron H. (Impeach, Indict & Imprison Hussein Obama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well said. Sin is real and it rests deeply witnin each of us. The more we try to hid it, the more harm it does. And seeking public approval is one of the best ways to hid it. That is why this is such an important issue. We do the sinner no good by approving of sinful behavior. The narrow road does not go in that direction.


14 posted on 12/27/2013 3:41:48 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A divorce can’t come soon enough.

America has become a pathetic shell of everything it used to be. An absolute embarrassment to its former greatness... its government a corrupt, one-party, banana-republic system, and its culture a poisonous cesspool of depravity. A pajama-boy Homo-America.

Breaking away might ultimately be the only option for survival, as the rest of the country rots and dies.


15 posted on 12/27/2013 3:42:13 PM PST by greene66
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To: LibLieSlayer

A small step but an important one, there is no need
to cower before the liberal onslaught.
Stand up for YOUR rights.


16 posted on 12/27/2013 3:47:28 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Bernard Marx

Let me clarify because I certainly think we’ve passed that point myself, but I think the next election will be illustrative for a lot of the people who haven’t gotten it to this point.

You see in 2008 you had the media fawning over Obama, vs a very, very weak candidate for the GOP in John McQueeg who had open disdain for half of his own party. To say nothing of the fact that we were coming off of a, let’s be honest, very weak GWB with an approval rating near cholera. It wasn’t hard to explain a Dem victory in 2008.

In 2012 it was a little harder. But, the press race orgasm over BO was still ongoing, Romney was better than McQueeg but with his shortcomings and the media harpooning his good points (thanks candy Crowley ). Obamacare was still upcoming really and Obama could call naysayers scare tacticians and managed to win again.

But 2016, that’s when it will be undeniable. Obamacare is a disaster and so is the economy. The race card has worn to see through levels with all but the most liberal of whites. Everyone realizes Obama is unfit to lead. He Dems will be running a woman that is godmother to his healthcare disaster and wet nurse to his foreign policy disaster. Unlike past elections there is no logical reason for anyine in that party to win, least of all that woman.

And yet she will. And that’s when I think the mass of mostly white, mostly Christian people will realize that it’s either separate or die


17 posted on 12/27/2013 3:48:04 PM PST by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it)
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To: MosesKnows
America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.

You are exactly right. And the problem is either one will take many years to correct the damage that this King Obama has caused. By the way, miss Romney yet?.

18 posted on 12/27/2013 4:03:30 PM PST by Logical me
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To: SoCalTransplant

I don’t think Hillary can survive the primaries. But I didn’t think O would be elected, or reelected, either.


19 posted on 12/27/2013 4:05:00 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

- IF YOU WANT YOUR WITCH DOCTOR

- YOU CAN KEEP YOUR WITCH DOCTOR

- http://truenewsusa.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-nations-first-obamacare-clinic.html

- FORWARD ON IN EMAILS -


20 posted on 12/27/2013 4:07:57 PM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - "All this for a damn fag!" -)
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To: greene66

- HOMOCARE -

save the prezzy


21 posted on 12/27/2013 4:09:17 PM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - "All this for a damn fag!" -)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Appeasement ALWAYS leads to war.

I’m not sure Obama wouldn’t enjoy a nice world war.


22 posted on 12/27/2013 4:15:18 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He did not inspire the writing of the scriptures that condemn homosexuality; God did.

If I had a free hand to rewrite the Bible, I would write it quite differently than God did (and, obviously, not nearly as well). That is why I thank God that he created scripture for us, and we get to follow His guidance.

23 posted on 12/27/2013 4:19:06 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In other words, it’s time to kick leftist ass. Cool, 2ndDivisionVet. And can we please reject all the GOPe surrender monkeys who will post on this thread. I’ve had a bellyful of these Karl Rove Neo Con worms.


24 posted on 12/27/2013 4:36:48 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: LibLieSlayer
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a&e caved ...

we won one and the left and the gaytard movement was dealt a harsh blow. Small steps.



You're correct, but like the German Army (Wehrmacht) of WWII, the LGBT Gaysatpo are already planning a vicious counter attack.


The German Army was famous for their pattern of a rigorous counter attack following a tactical defeat. They were often successful.


We can now expect the LGBT-MSM "Obama Sodomite" Gaystapo to launch a frightfully destructive political-legal counter attack against America's Conservative Christian community.


Expect to see a massive wave of Federal Court rulings in the first three (3) months of 2014 against Christian business and schools.


The LGBT "Obama Sodomites" will also engage in extremely violent and provocative actions against Christians and their businesses and communities.


Expect to see a series of "faux" Matthew Sheppard "hate crimes" ... immediately prosecuted (with extreme prejudice) by that "crimimal" Eric Holder.


One can also expect the IRS agents being paid "under the table" with career and professional bonuses for attacking Christian groups, via the "curse" of IRS 501 C-3 church tax exempt status.

As Shylock said in Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" ...

Father Abraham, Oh these Christians ... worshipping at Satan's Golden Altar of IRS 501 C-3 Church Tax-exempt Status



So American Conservative Christians ... batten down the hatches.

This is gonna be like the second day at the Battle of Gettysburg.




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25 posted on 12/27/2013 4:51:19 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

“Expect to see a massive wave of Federal Court rulings in the first three (3) months of 2014 against Christian business and schools.”

So?

Until you trap a leftist in a dark parking lot with no witnesses around and read him the riot act, you will never know how weak these purse-carrying wimps are.


26 posted on 12/27/2013 4:57:40 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

According to the census bureau gays are only 2-4% of the opulation. I have asked people where I live many, many times what percentage of the population do they think is comprised of gays. The answer has consistently been in the 20-50% range. When I tell them it is 2-4% they all have the same reaction that there must be a mistake and that this cannot be right. The fact is the gay movement is doomed because ther just are not enough of them.


27 posted on 12/27/2013 5:21:18 PM PST by GilGil
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To: GilGil
The fact is the gay movement is doomed because ther just are not enough of them.

Nor can they be fruitful and multiply, can they?

28 posted on 12/27/2013 5:25:57 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From the article: “...Robertson did not compare homosexuality to bestiality, God did.”

I don’t think that Robertson intended that; he seemed to describe a progression of sin. However, in Leviticus 20, homosexual acts and bestiality are separated by just one verse.


29 posted on 12/27/2013 5:34:24 PM PST by odawg
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To: CatOwner

“Wake me when the shooting starts. I suspect I will be in for a LONG, LONG wait.”

No kidding.


30 posted on 12/27/2013 5:35:55 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: greene66

Re: Your Post #15:

Yup.


31 posted on 12/27/2013 5:37:53 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: gundog
I don’t think Hillary can survive the primaries.

.Really. Who do you think will beat her?

32 posted on 12/27/2013 5:38:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Chode

“such as Cracker Barrel”

Cracker Barrel. They are lame in my opinion. All they did was panic because they were afraid because a few homos might picket their stores. They should have learned from Chick-fil-A. So what if a few homos picketed, because a few thousand Duck fans would have counter protested with duck callers drowning out the homos! QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK!!


33 posted on 12/27/2013 6:03:18 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He tried to make the case that homosexuality is not sin if it is not acted upon

While I didn't see this segment, I'm guessing that the leftist priest is probably homosexual himself - - but doesn't act upon his impulses.

34 posted on 12/27/2013 6:08:39 PM PST by Salvey
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To: okie01

They recruit.


35 posted on 12/27/2013 7:03:14 PM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

O’Malley from Maryland.


36 posted on 12/27/2013 7:04:07 PM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: gundog

I do, unless another viable female candidate arises, because I think there are a number of Dems who feel that their easiest way to victory is to do a full court press on “its time for a woman” they same way they did on “its time for a black”.

But the irony is that in a year where it should be that the GOP should be able to run a shovel and win against whoever the Democrats run, the reality is probably closer to the opposite. The moochers simply have the votes.

Most of us on FR believe in God, and have likely questioned why He has allowed our country to go the way it has. Maybe, just maybe, it will deteriorate to allow something better to spring from the ashes. That is my hope anyway.


37 posted on 12/27/2013 7:06:26 PM PST by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it)
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To: 7thson
They recruit.

True. But subject to going AWOL. And not as efficient a means of reproduction as the natural process.

38 posted on 12/27/2013 7:29:51 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: SoCalTransplant
I do, unless another viable female candidate arises, because I think there are a number of Dems who feel that their easiest way to victory is to do a full court press on “its time for a woman” they same way they did on “its time for a black”.

And the Republicans will try to "out-diverse" the Dems. George W. Bush was the last white, Christian, male President we will ever have.

39 posted on 12/27/2013 8:21:18 PM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Morgana
QUACK!!!
40 posted on 12/27/2013 8:49:50 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of the two priests, one (also a Fox commentator) was clearly of a leftist bent. He tried to make the case that homosexuality is not sin if it is not acted upon.

So there's no difference between temptation and sin, right?

(Facepalm.)

Cheers!

41 posted on 12/27/2013 9:07:51 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Something about this entire situation has always aggravated me tremendously.

This thing about “gay marriage”...

Now all we need to do is look at almost TEN THOUSAND YEARS of human history to see that MARRIAGE has ALWAYS been defined as ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.

But now, all the militant, hell, even the moderate homo lobby has decided that I AM A BIGOT because I do not believe there is such a thing as a “gay marriage”.

And they don’t even care about the history of humanity. They don’t seem to care about anything unless it suits their agenda.


42 posted on 12/27/2013 9:15:46 PM PST by djf (Global warming is a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I refer here to the Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren's question to former governor Sarah Palin on a recent "On the Record" show. She asked Palin if it would not have been better if Mr. Robertson had said what he said differently. That attitude, which is shared by others of Ms. Van Susteren's leftist cohorts on Fox and throughout the culture, is insufferably hubristic. We, who oppose their worldview, must now speak our opposition only in ways that they approve.

I don't recall Greta saying that it was HER opinion that it should have been said differently. Was the question not a valid one designed to probe the thoughts of the interviewee?

43 posted on 12/27/2013 11:33:51 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: grey_whiskers

I believe “not acted upon” and repudiated are a gulf apart. The first leaves room for the leven.


44 posted on 12/28/2013 1:29:06 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: tet68

I agree and you know that I will!


45 posted on 12/28/2013 3:17:31 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

The hate us because CHRIST chose us out of the world... and HE also told us that HE was hated before we were. They may do everything that you say... but we will fight back... and we will win because we have a History of fighting back harder and winning. We lose some but we win some and if we (Conservatives) ever get power again, then we can reaffirm the Constitution and start impeaching justices that are ruling against our Constitution. There is a revolution coming... it took decades to get here and it may take decades to reverse all of this but there will be a revolution of minds and souls or this Republic will die. We have no choice... we must make the change happen and we must do it for CHRIST! I will fight for Freedom and Liberty until we win or until they kill me.


46 posted on 12/28/2013 3:26:45 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
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American Evangelical Christians "will not" be chose the path of "quiet extermination" that Germany's 1930 Jews decided upon ...


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47 posted on 12/28/2013 7:54:43 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Amen brother and I pray that CHRIST has me as HIS sword in the coming fight.


48 posted on 12/28/2013 9:00:24 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: SoCalTransplant
Some FReeper once posited that Bill Clinton was God's judgement on America. He looks like a loveable buffoon at this point.

The electorate is in a sorry state. Maybe 3 more years of stagnation will wake them up.

49 posted on 12/28/2013 1:56:09 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I think she beats herself. She’ll be heckled mercilessly. I think she’ll fold.


50 posted on 12/28/2013 1:57:07 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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