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New York Soon to Trail Florida in Population
The New York Times ^ | December 26, 2013 | Jesse McKinley

Posted on 12/27/2013 4:04:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

ALBANY — New York, whose status as the most populous state has long been ceded, will soon fall behind Florida into fourth place, a long-anticipated drop that is rife with symbolism and that could carry potentially serious economic consequences in coming years.

When the Census Bureau releases its latest population estimates on Monday, demographers expect that Florida and New York will be narrowly separated — perhaps by as little as a few thousand people — and that if Florida does not pass New York this time, it almost certainly will do so in 2014.

The census figures underscore immigration trends, as foreign-born migrants continue to move to warm-weather states such as California and Texas — No. 1 and 2 — as well as to Florida. The newcomers also include winter-weary New Yorkers who move or retire to Florida at a rate of over 50,000 a year, twice the number of Floridians who head to New York.

But the shift also highlights the struggles in upstate New York, which has lost large-scale manufacturing jobs and large chunks of population, offsetting consistent gains in New York City. But the city’s growth has seemingly not been robust enough to stave off hubs in Florida like Jacksonville, Miami-Dade County and Tampa.

“It’s going to happen,” said Andrew A. Beveridge, a professor of sociology at Queens College and an expert on the census, on New York’s falling into fourth place. “And if Florida accidentally grew faster and New York slowed down, it could have happened already.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Florida; US: New York
KEYWORDS: demographics; economy; florida; newyork
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1 posted on 12/27/2013 4:04:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can’t say that I’m surprised, and here’s why. Those who have moved have been replaced, and then some by ILLEGALS. I’ve lived in NYC my whole life and it has NEVER been as crowded as it is now.

PS: Does anyone honestly think that Census workers go into the hood and ring doorbells. They count the number of apartments in a building, multiply by 3, and run.


2 posted on 12/27/2013 4:09:51 PM PST by cumbo78
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The bad part is, that many of the new residents in Florida are moving there from NY.


3 posted on 12/27/2013 4:10:07 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, what percentage of the New Yawkers will continue to vote democrat in both states like they do now?


4 posted on 12/27/2013 4:10:13 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OMG...close southbound I-95 before its too late! Let’s keep NY bigger than Florida.


5 posted on 12/27/2013 4:16:00 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Upstate NY is emptying out...looks desolate


6 posted on 12/27/2013 4:16:22 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cumo/DiFartio will still keep them on the voting rolls/ aka/no change in voting population/dead people and same amount of their electoral vote (that really needs to drop if another million move out).


7 posted on 12/27/2013 4:16:58 PM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not unexpected and good news as Florida while going Democrat in the last two presidential elections will soon be a solid Red State for Republicans.


8 posted on 12/27/2013 4:20:19 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I left New York because of the election of Hillary Clinton as Senator, and because I saw gun laws I hated, taking shape.


9 posted on 12/27/2013 4:21:50 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Not unexpected and good news as Florida while going Democrat in the last two presidential elections will soon be a solid Red State for Republicans.


Nope...all these Yorkers moving down now are liberals

So many of them freak out that there are no unions in Florida, and, the wages are lower than Florida...so are the welfare and unemployment checks. Its like they left the Soviet Union

Used to be when Northerners came to Florida, they were GOP and conservative. Not anymore. Just loud obnoxious lazy Democrats now


10 posted on 12/27/2013 4:24:50 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

well god only knows how many 10’s of thousands of homes are in the planning in Naples. so much construction going on here.


11 posted on 12/27/2013 4:28:28 PM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Bryanw92
For comparison, here's the electoral college map from 1912.


12 posted on 12/27/2013 4:30:57 PM PST by Jacquerie (To restore the 9th & 10th Amendments, repeal the 17th.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You know those lights were bright on Broadway,
But that was so many years ago.
Before we all lived here in Florida,
Before the Mafia took over Mexico.

There are not many who remember,
They say a handful still survive.
To tell the world about,
The way the lights went out!
And to keep the memory alive!

Billy Joel - Miami 2017


13 posted on 12/27/2013 4:31:07 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not to worry once the big dope opens the flood gates for illegals NY will be unsurpassable


14 posted on 12/27/2013 4:34:46 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not really. Anything South of Lake City is Lib paradise. Before long it will collapse under its own weight. We north of Lake city and west would love to secede if only we could somehow uproot Tallahassee and send it to them.


15 posted on 12/27/2013 4:42:42 PM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’ll know that New York has become abandoned, when you see all the new bagel shops open, that you might remember, from up there.

Even worse, if “Ben’s” makes the move, or in a related view, Nathan’s!


16 posted on 12/27/2013 4:45:10 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: SeminoleCounty
Used to be when Northerners came to Florida, they were GOP and conservative. Not anymore. Just loud obnoxious lazy Democrats now

My wife and I moved to FL this year (from WA), and we're conservative.

17 posted on 12/27/2013 4:45:49 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cruz_West_Paul2016

well god only knows how many 10’s of thousands of homes are in the planning in Naples. so much construction going on here.
......................................... True, all the refugees from the east coast are moving to the west. Dade and Palm Beach must be getting over crowded. Those NE’ers who messed up their own states are coming to FLA to mess it up too. After all, we all have to be equally messed up, to make our system work the Liberal way.


18 posted on 12/27/2013 4:49:10 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

“Upstate NY is emptying out...looks desolate”
I noticed this several years ago on a visit to the area. How much of this is simply people moving to avoid the onerous government that supports the stinking pile that is NYC?


19 posted on 12/27/2013 4:49:34 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

When the idiots re-elects Charlie Chump improved, hall down the flag and play taps.


20 posted on 12/27/2013 4:52:43 PM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unfortunately many, not all, of the New Yorkers that move here to FL are turning FL into the crap state of NY, rude, pushy and or course they are all far superior then anyone else. A lot like the people that move here from other countries and don’t want to assimilate to their new home. New Yorkers shouldn’t able to move any further south then NJ...LOL


21 posted on 12/27/2013 4:53:55 PM PST by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: Jacquerie

Different Democrat Party. Different Republican Party. Different population makeup. Different economy. Different lifestyle. Different educational system. Different religion.

The Progressive infestation began with that election.

Everything has changed. The increasing population in Florida isn’t due to good Conservatives flocking to the state. It’s all northern Progs and entitlement whores. The more our state population increases, the bluer we get.


22 posted on 12/27/2013 4:54:28 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Florida is just about unrecognizable as a result. I keep hoping that the snakes and gators will revolt.


23 posted on 12/27/2013 4:55:01 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SeminoleCounty

The loss of population is why Michigan is turning red.


24 posted on 12/27/2013 4:56:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cementjungle

My wife and I moved to FL this year (from WA), and we’re conservative


I should have clarified with “Northeastern”....I think of Washington State as western more than northern

My bad...didn’t mean to lump all from the north


25 posted on 12/27/2013 4:58:13 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yep, old Florida is gone. I only travel north from Hamilton County.


26 posted on 12/27/2013 4:58:24 PM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: Fai Mao
It's actually the other way around, believe it or not. New York City and its suburbs pay a disproportionate share of the state taxes in New York. It's mainly a function of the larger population and the higher incomes (and higher cost of living) in and around NYC.

The loss of industry is driving the population decline, along with the "natural" migration to warmer climates that began once the infrastructure in the South had caught up with the Northeast and Rust Belt.

27 posted on 12/27/2013 5:00:50 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: cripplecreek

The loss of population is why Michigan is turning red.


I think we may be getting all the liberals from Michigan here in FL...


28 posted on 12/27/2013 5:01:19 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s a very good point.


29 posted on 12/27/2013 5:02:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: SeminoleCounty

Michiganders have always gone to Florida. I know several people who own homes in both states.


30 posted on 12/27/2013 5:04:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well now that our infrastructure is caught up come on down and run our jobs off.


31 posted on 12/27/2013 5:05:42 PM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They moved here and brought their idiot politics with them.


32 posted on 12/27/2013 5:08:49 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Well you’re always welcome to come to Michigan. We’re trending republican, primarily rural, gun friendly with lots of hunting and fishing. Our winters are relatively mild compared to states west of the lakes.


33 posted on 12/27/2013 5:15:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

True, all the refugees from the east coast are moving to the west. Dade and Palm Beach must be getting over crowded.


Dade is a third world experience these days. Unlike any other place I have been in the US. The Hispanic and immigrant tsunami from Dade is pushing middle class whites out. White liberals don’t want to live amongst them and and are heading north and west in the state. SW FL has similar weather and not nearly as much of the 3rd world ambiance that Miami has.


34 posted on 12/27/2013 5:19:38 PM PST by lodi90
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember when NY had 45 EV and California had 32.


35 posted on 12/27/2013 5:20:34 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NY will soon be a two-tier state with the moneyed elites and the immigrant/dependent class. After several of the moneyed elite get killed by the lower class, that elite will start to drift away to safer areas. That will be the end for NY.


36 posted on 12/27/2013 5:20:40 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Dr. Thorne

I hope they don’t come here.


37 posted on 12/27/2013 5:22:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: cripplecreek
Our winters are relatively mild compared to states west of the lakes.

Isn't that kind of like saying that summers in Arizona are much cooler than they are in hell? LOL.

Seriously, though ... I spent a few days in Michigan a few years ago while traveling for business in the Ann Arbor area. It's a very pretty state with an odd sort of feel about it (to me, at least). In places like Flint, Saginaw and Bay City, I got the impression that they had seen their heyday in the 1970s and had been in a long decline since then ... but that there is a lot of potential there if the conditions are right.

38 posted on 12/27/2013 5:27:07 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Flint Saginaw and Bay City have been in decline for some reason I can't quite put my finger on....

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39 posted on 12/27/2013 5:33:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I lived for a few years in upstate New York while finishing high school. When I graduated I went to college in another state and never went back except to visit my parents.

At the time, some years ago, the attitude of many, including those in office was against liberty. If some activity was not explicitly legal they assumed it was illegal. One example of the nanny state mindset was that the state speed limit was 50 MPH. It took forever to go anywhere. Government knows best.

Where I live now, there is still an approach that is something is not explicitly illegal, it is legal, apart from its moral implications. This is an attitude of liberty.

Now I couldn’t possibly live there. I would be a felon for the things I own and do.


40 posted on 12/27/2013 5:42:55 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: SeminoleCounty
I think we may be getting all the liberals from Michigan here in FL...

Retired UAW, thicker than flies...

41 posted on 12/27/2013 5:46:27 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Dr. Thorne

I don’t ever see NYC clearing out. After the DiBlasio disaster they’ll swing back to a Giuliani type.


42 posted on 12/27/2013 5:48:00 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hard to believe high taxes and over-regulation are detrimental to an economy. Hunh...learn something new every day - unless you’re a libtard.


43 posted on 12/27/2013 5:48:23 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Alberta's Child
I spent my first year out of college in Michigan, working for Dow Chemical in Midland.

It's a very pretty state with an odd sort of feel about it

By golly, it is a pretty state. But, in 1961-62, the "feel" I got was conditioned by:

1. Driving into Marquette (up on the UP) on July 4 -- in a sleet storm.

2. Experiencing my first 30 below temperature.

3. Around November 1, wondering why people were tying streamers of fabric around the top of their radio antennae. By December 1, I knew why.

4. Maneuvering around all the ice skaters on Abbott Road, skating to work.

5. Going to lunch at a Saginaw restaurant, returning to the car and finding the parking lot strewn with roofing nails -- with four guys in a black Cadillac looking on.

6. Every-other-Tuesday, the entire town of Midland smelled like grape juice. A considerable improvement over some of the other smells that emanated from the Dow plant.

Actually, side from Winter and the unions, Michigan was a very neat place...

44 posted on 12/27/2013 6:00:41 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can we get our deposit back for returning Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to her birthplace in Queens? How about if we pay?


45 posted on 12/27/2013 6:13:52 PM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: lodi90
You got that right about Dade.

The South Americans are coming in and overstaying their visas by the tens of thousands, probably 40% of the population is illegal and the corrupt County Government is flush with cash due to tourism and spreads it around to their family and friends.

They have no scrutiny as the press and the Feds are in on the scam, and as long as the gravy train keeps on rolling, it seems like Havana/Caracas North will maintain the status quo.

Property taxes are relatively low and stable, the only violent crime is committed by the descendants of the slaves that the GOP set loose without repatriating them back to where they came from, and as long as you stay out of Liberty City or Opa-Locka you are pretty safe.

Dade is arguably becoming more conservative, as Venezuelans fleeing the communist government are supplanting the white liberals who are leaving because they can't deal with hostile hispanics who refuse to speak english and hate commies their fellow travelers.

46 posted on 12/27/2013 6:21:22 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Jacquerie

Thanks Mr. Teddy, you gave Wilson 8 years and a post World War One botched peace!

47 posted on 12/27/2013 6:22:06 PM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Both places have plenty of problems. Given my choice (one I’m glad I don’t have to make) Florida, hands own. Mostly because of climate, both social and weather.


48 posted on 12/27/2013 6:32:55 PM PST by upchuck (My Internet addiction is so bad... it's alt of ctrl.)
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To: upchuck

also no income tax!

marginal rate now 49.2% in NYS
51.71 in NYC


49 posted on 12/27/2013 6:36:22 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: nascarnation

No income tax in FL is a comeon. The state of FL probably has fewer expenses than NY. But FL makes up for it in other ways.


50 posted on 12/27/2013 6:45:56 PM PST by upchuck (My Internet addiction is so bad... it's alt of ctrl.)
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