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A Duck Dynasty Solution for A&E: Phil Robertson Should Debate Dan Savage
The Atlantic ^ | December 27, 2013 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 12/27/2013 9:33:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In America, society stigmatizes open racism. A public figure who uses a racial slur or declares a racial group inferior can expect to be jeered, mocked, even summarily fired. Private individuals might alienate acquaintances, ruin friendships, or lose romantic partners by revealing their racism—or might not, depending on the subculture they belong to.

Should remarks made against homosexuality be stigmatized in the same way? America is unsure.

Anti-gay slurs are now widely frowned upon. Cultural pressure to favor equal marriage rights for gays is increasing, but Americans tolerate opposition to gay marriage in a way they don't tolerate opposition to interracial marriage.

And what of Christians who believe that homosexuality is a sin that transgresses against God's will and consigns those who practice it to an eternity burning in hell? Is polite society going to tolerate those sorts of beliefs toward gays and lesbians?

At bottom, that is the question raised by the controversy surrounding Phil Robertson, the star of the A&E reality television series Duck Dynasty, who found himself suspended after telling a profiler from GQ, "It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

He also said:

Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong. Sin becomes fine. Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God....

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dansavage; duckdynasty; homosexualagenda; philrobertson
Why should he?
1 posted on 12/27/2013 9:33:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Why should he? “

Savage’s IQ might, I say might raise by 1 point?


2 posted on 12/27/2013 9:39:08 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A “non judgmental” society is actually a culture in decline. When the righteous are unable or unwilling to criticize decadence, then rot and ruin follows. “Political correctness” stifles necessary judgement and critique.


3 posted on 12/27/2013 9:41:58 PM PST by allendale
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who is Dan Savage.


4 posted on 12/27/2013 9:45:28 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leave it go, Atlantic. We need no debates, conversation, or media attention on this. Phil Robertson is a man of conviction and will remain such. There is no need for Phil to debate a no-name Dan Savage to prove a point which has already been made.


5 posted on 12/27/2013 9:47:54 PM PST by madison10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They say this because they lost the first time.


6 posted on 12/27/2013 10:00:27 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Horse hockey.


7 posted on 12/27/2013 10:05:00 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s the last thing they want to do because, as readable as this guy’s comments are, the Bible is very specific on the question of homosexuality and if asked, point blank, to choose between the Bible and political correctness, Christians will choose the Bible. God’s Law trumps perverted desires Aces over deuces. Period. Full stop.

Gays have seriously overplayed their hand.


8 posted on 12/27/2013 10:25:11 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who is Dan Savage and why would anyone give a crap what he thinks?


9 posted on 12/27/2013 10:40:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Phil should do nothing of the sort. he doesn’t have to prove himself to anyone, least of all a bunch of whiney liberals that are looking for any opportunity to attack / belittle the man


10 posted on 12/27/2013 10:41:07 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Ronin

How would one debate against the Bible or the word of God? I can understand the lack of intelligence on some folks....but they’d want a debate to demonstrate their bogus nature and how foolish they were? It wouldn’t make it any sense.

And debate would settle everything? If so, I’d have Debate TV running twenty-four hours a day and mandate every American watch it.


11 posted on 12/27/2013 10:42:24 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t realize we were a degenerate culture; should’ve known, however. No wonder the Chassids believe our society’s ending.


12 posted on 12/27/2013 10:50:02 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: TigersEye

He’s a well known gay jerk who writes a column called Savage Love. He led his friends to create a new meaning for Rick Santorums name (look it up in the Urban Dictionary). He was on Anderson Cooper’s show when Anderson was discussing his 85 year old mother’s sex life. He lectures at public schools. It seems to me that their was a problem in at least one school that he drove straight conservative kids out in tears. Google him.


13 posted on 12/27/2013 11:00:30 PM PST by airedale (f)
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To: madison10

I’m in agreement. The Atlantic would see it as a way to “straighten out” Phil. Phil is not into it.

Same as Phil is going to ignore Jesse Jackson’s 72 hour ultimatum. What ultimatum? We don’t need no stinkin’ ultimatum.


14 posted on 12/27/2013 11:04:10 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: P-Marlowe; TigersEye
4 Who is Dan Savage.

9 Who is Dan Savage and why would anyone give a crap what he thinks?

Dan Savage is perhaps the #1 most hate-spewing homosexual against heterosexuals in the nation. He is constantly giving seminars at high schools and other forums to normalize homosexuality. He has been to the White House a number of times. He is very bad news.

15 posted on 12/27/2013 11:06:06 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: airedale

Don’t know much about Savage, but I’ll keep a lookout for him.
Why was Cooper discussing his 85 yo mom’s sex life? I didn’t think he was deranged.


16 posted on 12/27/2013 11:26:02 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: MacNaughton

Thanks. Now I know why I never heard of him.


17 posted on 12/27/2013 11:28:05 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: MacNaughton

And door knobs. Don’t forget the door knobs he licked.
Savage is a Seattle based sex columnist whose column appears in the Stranger and other alternative weeklies. He could be considered a radical gay activist but more concerningly, I think he’s very anti-Christian. He was general editor of the Stranger, and the tone was so anti-Christian on his watch, I stopped reading it. He can be intelligent and civil when, say, promoting one of his books on Michael Medveds show, but you never know for sure what he will do. He’s a loose cannon. And since these people have already decided that Phil Robertson is the enemy and they need to make him into some sort of project, I agree that this idea and any like it, is bad. What did somebody say once...when somebody on the left says “We need to have a conversation, they mean anything but.”


18 posted on 12/27/2013 11:28:55 PM PST by crazycatlady
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To: pepsionice

Dunno. But it strikes me as bizarre as well. I mean, being a Christian means believing the Bible. That is pretty much the one and only requirement, isn’t it? The Commandments are in the Bible, the do’s and the don’ts are in the Bible. It’s the Book of Books — if you’re a Christian, that is.

A person can claim to be religious, and not believe the Bible is the word of God, but Christians can’t. That being the case, Corinthians is very clear on homosexuality. It’s as clear as any writing can be.

It says no.

That being the case, I can’t understand why and how any Christian or any church can say with a straight face, that gay marriage is acceptable in God’s eyes, and that homosexuality is not contrary to God’s given word. It just does not make any sense to me at all.

So here’s where we get to the nub of things. To be Christian is to be tolerant. That much is well understood by everyone. Turn the other cheek and all that stuff. Live and let live. Do your own thing. All that is fine, it seems to me, right up to the point where they start demanding that Christians change what they believe, ignore clearly written scripture, and act counter to God’s commands as given in the Bible.

No. Not only no, HELL NO! Not a chance. Not going to happen.

And this is why I think they have overplayed their hands. People are now awakening to the pernicious reality of “progressive” penetration and are becoming alarmed. They are no longer willing to accommodate the perverts.


19 posted on 12/27/2013 11:49:09 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Savage is coarse and a nasty guy in general.


20 posted on 12/28/2013 12:15:06 AM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about Martin Bashir debate Anderson Cooper.


21 posted on 12/28/2013 12:18:41 AM PST by Rock Eye Jack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ROTFLOL I agree.


22 posted on 12/28/2013 12:36:29 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The good news, a Gay Couple will be getting “Married” on a Rose Parade Float next Wednesday.

Who the heck gets Married on a Wednesday? /s

It’s a long Parade, maybe they will have time for the Honeymoon where they can show the world what Phil was talking about.


23 posted on 12/28/2013 12:42:39 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Ronin

Remember the firestorm when Sarah Palin said that people should be “tolerant” of Gays?

Tolerant, the new “T” word. Now you have to Accept and Support their Lifestyle or you are a Bigoted Homophobe Hater.


24 posted on 12/28/2013 12:45:39 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No, he shouldn't.

He spoke, intolerant bigots tried to silence him, and they've been soundly trounced in the court of public opinion. Today, A&E has run off with their tails between their legs.

You grant a rematch to a worthy opponent. No one as soundly whipped as GLAAD and the intolerant left is entitled to a rematch.

25 posted on 12/28/2013 12:59:49 AM PST by FredZarguna (Nobody so soundly whipped is entitled to a rematch.)
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To: MacNaughton
He has been to the White House a number of times.

Did he bend over for Obama, or did Obama bend over for him?

26 posted on 12/28/2013 1:03:18 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: MacNaughton

“Dan Savage is perhaps the #1 most hate-spewing homosexual”
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I wonder if Michael Weiner “Savage” will have to change his stage name.


27 posted on 12/28/2013 1:08:37 AM PST by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sure the writer believes an eloquent debater from the gay community would tear apart this “bible thumping hayseed Christian”, which is about as serious a miscalculation as the one A&E made in the first place when they thought that suspending Robertson would be accepted with open arms. Although showing a 26 hour marathon on Xmas day with Phil Robertson appearing in every episode and going ahead with their plans to air the next season of Duck Dynasty as planned, once again showing Phil in every single episode, is a funny way to show it. It reminds me of the modern parental approach to disciplining their children using “time outs”, instead of the tradional spanking used on children in every generation since Adam and Eve, but once again what did they know? It’s just that Biblical stuff again!.(LOL)


28 posted on 12/28/2013 2:04:46 AM PST by jazzpatriot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly...why should he.

There’s nothing to debate. God’s word is God’s word. Some of us do our best to live by it, and some of us hate it because it seers our consciences. End of story.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 2:39:38 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: NetAddicted

His mother is Gloria Vanderbilt, the heiress and blue jean lady.


30 posted on 12/28/2013 3:19:56 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is absolutely no reason for Phil Robertson to debate that odious fascist. None.


31 posted on 12/28/2013 3:36:21 AM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Morgana

He was right. He does not need to justify himself.

In fact if I were him I would not accept A&E’s reversal without some clarification from them that they accept his christian viewpoint as a valid world view and won’t be running spots apologizing or countering those christian opinions on air.


32 posted on 12/28/2013 5:27:23 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why should he?

Good question. There is absolutely no way that Robertson would ever change Savage's mind, and absolutely no way that Savage would ever change Robertson's mind. So nothing would ever come of it.

33 posted on 12/28/2013 5:32:17 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Phil, “Dan, forgive me for not shaking hands, I know where it’s been!”


34 posted on 12/28/2013 6:41:10 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: MacNaughton; P-Marlowe; TigersEye
University of Oregon Pays Sexual Deviant $24,000 To Teach Students About Proper Fisting Techniques

Dan Savage: Disgusting Piece of Filth!

Savage, the queer on the right.

35 posted on 12/28/2013 6:48:28 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

Is it stylish to look like ventriloquist dummies these days?


36 posted on 12/28/2013 6:51:19 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: TexasCajun

Then U of O should be burnt to the ground with that rancid walking filth the brightest brand in the bonfire.


37 posted on 12/28/2013 7:04:26 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: NetAddicted

The story is on Drudge. Anderson mentioned the incident from his mother’s, Gloria Vanderbilt, autobiography. Here is a link to one of the various stories about it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530039/Anderson-Cooper-discusses-mother-oral-sex-panel-show.html. He’s getting ready for hosting CNN ‘s classy New Years eve show with Cathy Griffen (look up what happened last year with those two when they co-hosted New Years eve.).


38 posted on 12/28/2013 7:25:18 AM PST by airedale (f)
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To: P-Marlowe

He’s the youth outreach director for Big Sodomy Inc.


39 posted on 12/28/2013 9:11:59 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: airedale

Is this the same show where the Ted Cruz thank you is supposed to run?


40 posted on 12/28/2013 10:29:52 AM PST by crazycatlady
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To: AlexW

So far it seems not to have caused either of them any problems. As far as I know, it IS Dan Savages real name.


41 posted on 12/28/2013 10:31:12 AM PST by crazycatlady
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To: P-Marlowe
26 He has been to the White House a number of times.

Did he bend over for Obama, or did Obama bend over for him?

The pictures I saw last year of Savage and his partner, Terry Miller, at the White House were with VP Joe Biden.

42 posted on 12/28/2013 11:40:22 AM PST by MacNaughton
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To: crazycatlady

I don’t know.


43 posted on 12/28/2013 12:47:40 PM PST by airedale (f)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“A Duck Dynasty Solution for A&E: Phil Robertson Should Debate Dan Savage”

Nope. Phil should just keep doing what he loves: hunting ducks, eating Miss Kay’s cooking and being with his family. He doesn’t even have to count his own multi-million dollar fortune. He can get Willie to do that for him.


44 posted on 12/28/2013 2:47:40 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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