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Law School Grad Forced Into Retail Job Blogs The Loss Of His 'Last Shred Of Dignity'
Business Insider ^ | December 27, 2013 | Erin Fuchs

Posted on 12/28/2013 4:49:57 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

As the New Year looms, many law graduates with heavy debt have yet to find work as attorneys — including the author of the self-deprecating new blog "Law Grad Working Retail."

The blog's anonymous author graduated from a law school that was in the top 50 ranked by U.S. News and World Report. He was on law review and even got a summer position at a firm after his second year. He didn't get a job offer though.

This grad still hasn't found legal work and took a job selling cologne just before the holidays to make ends meet. Now he says he's "liveblogging the loss of my last shred of dignity." His blog is both funny and heartbreaking.

The funny parts often involve his coworkers assuming he can answer every law-related question they have. His coworker Shaina grills him after it's discovered that another coworker named Julian is apparently "robbing the stock room blind." Here's the exchange:

"LawGrad, you a lawyer," Shaina began, "can Julian sue the store?"

"For what?"

"You know, accusing him of stealing because he’s Mexican."

"But he was stealing."

"So he can’t sue?"

"No."

Shaina also asks random questions like, "Is it illegal for a hospital to turn you away at the emergency room?" LawGrad tries to tell her he's not actually a lawyer, but she doesn't seem to get it and asks him at least three times what kind of law he practices.

"I told her cologne selling law," he writes.....

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1 posted on 12/28/2013 4:49:58 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought they surgically removed that in law school anyway


2 posted on 12/28/2013 4:51:31 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was the worst thing that ever happened!


3 posted on 12/28/2013 4:53:32 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He was on law review and even got a summer position at a firm after his second year. He didn't get a job offer though.

It doesn't say that he passed the bar exam. Perhaps that's part of his problem?

4 posted on 12/28/2013 4:53:51 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Try not to get too far ahead in the story. Spoilers abound." ~ Nicknamedbob)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Get a clue - we don’t need no more danged lawyers!!!


5 posted on 12/28/2013 4:55:23 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone who thinks working retail removes his dignity doesn’t deserve a higher-paying job, and I would not have hired him for a college-based position. My three highest priorities in hiring were a work ethic, mathematical ability, and character. Anyone who thought custodial work, retail, waiting tables, construction, or any other “menial” position lacked dignity would not get hired.


6 posted on 12/28/2013 4:57:45 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Next to plumbers, attorneys probably make up the largest section in the Yellow Pages........


7 posted on 12/28/2013 4:58:14 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This grad still hasn’t found legal work and took a job selling cologne.
Problem with perception for him selling cologne is legal. At least he’s working and he deserves applause for that. A lot of people in the good old days (normal/ /prosperous times) took starter jobs beneath? there background/ education.


8 posted on 12/28/2013 5:01:55 AM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It used to be they would separate the academically inclined from the academically weak in sixth grade. Then they decided that everyone needs a complete elementary education, then a complete high school education, then a complete college education. Now it seems everyone needs a complete professional school education.

The world needs cologne sales people too.


9 posted on 12/28/2013 5:03:41 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Tax-chick

It’s possible. However, it is also true that law schools have turned into largely diploma mills that have churned out law students well beyond what can be absorbed into society.


10 posted on 12/28/2013 5:03:51 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I think there is a larger need for plumbers than lawyers in people’s daily life. Afterall, you don’t get divorced, need a will, buy property, get arrested, or have a lawsuit everyday.


11 posted on 12/28/2013 5:04:06 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He should move to Chicago and become a community organizer.


12 posted on 12/28/2013 5:04:23 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I worked retail for 2 years after college until I got in My career field. For another year I worked jobs that paid rock bottom in my field and used them as a stepping stone for the job that I have now. I've been there 20 years now. To the law student in this article: suck it up, buttercup!
13 posted on 12/28/2013 5:04:42 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Jonty30

Yes, there’s definitely a problem of oversupply.


14 posted on 12/28/2013 5:05:24 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Try not to get too far ahead in the story. Spoilers abound." ~ Nicknamedbob)
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To: ilovesarah2012

There was a time when the legal profession was largely recession-proof. Not anymore. Law firms in my neck of the woods aren’t hiring. Many have downsized. And being on the law review doesn’t guarantee a job as it once did. If you aren’t exceptional, you can forget about being hired.


15 posted on 12/28/2013 5:05:36 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Hot Tabasco

But plumbers have more value.


16 posted on 12/28/2013 5:05:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: fatnotlazy

It’s even worse for paralegals/legal assistants. Because of the economy, a lot of lawyers just do their own work.


17 posted on 12/28/2013 5:06:55 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I graduated law school in 1978. I had a husband and a two year old. My grades were okay but not spectacular. I wasn’t on law review but had some good experience in a legal clinic. So I didn’t get picked up by the big firms. boohoo. I did go to work for Legal Aid. It was interesting and I had to learn on my feet. I then had another kid and took off for a year. I then set up my own practice, working in an office with other lawyers. And I advertised at a time when it was looked down on. So for more than 30 years I’ve worked for myself. It’s paying the estimated taxes that made me a conservative. That and being on the front lines of the culture. A scary place to be. So I don’t have any sympathy for these new grads. Get out and learn how to practice law because they don’t teach that in law school and then find other lawyers to mentor you and then start helping people. Get paid if possible but if not, do it anyway.


18 posted on 12/28/2013 5:12:09 AM PST by Mercat
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To: ReagansShinyHair

Ping


19 posted on 12/28/2013 5:14:44 AM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Next to plumbers, attorneys probably make up the largest section in the Yellow Pages........

Check the YP and you will find that lawyers out number doctors. Of course, that has no bearing on the filing of frivolous medical malpractice suits. Nope, not at all....

20 posted on 12/28/2013 5:14:56 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Mr. K
"LawGrad, you a lawyer," Shaina began, "can Julian sue the store?" "For what?" "You know, accusing him of stealing because he’s Mexican." "But he was stealing." "So he can’t sue?" "No."

No wonder the guy can't find a job as a lawyer.

21 posted on 12/28/2013 5:19:26 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Mr. K
No sympathy.

A lawyer is standing in a long line at the box office. Suddenly, he feels a pair of hands kneading his shoulders, back, and neck. The lawyer turns around. "What the hell do you think you're doing?" "I'm a chiropractor, and I'm just keeping in practice while I'm waiting in line." "Well, I'm a lawyer, but you don't see me screwing the guy in front of me, do you?"

and

What happens when you give Viagra to lawyers? They grow taller!

22 posted on 12/28/2013 5:20:14 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This guy is doing the right thing by getting a job he is over qualified for. I sympathize with his frustration of doing all the right things to be successful career-wise, and not having it pay off.

I would tell him the same thing I have told other college graduates having trouble getting their first job after college: Do some volunteer work for an charitable organization you believe in. You make contacts, have something to put on your resume, and are helping people in need all at the same time. There are people in need of help who have been caught in the bottomless tar pit called our legal system.

23 posted on 12/28/2013 5:21:43 AM PST by shatcher (Judges 17:6b Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.)
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To: Mercat

>>. It’s paying the estimated taxes that made me a conservative.

There is very little that changes people’s attitudes more about taxation than having to write quarterly estimated tax payments and pay self-employment tax.

I would love to end payroll withholding and make everyone have to go through this process.


24 posted on 12/28/2013 5:23:22 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excuse me Mr. Lawyer, but didn’t you know there’s an OVERCAPACITY of lawyers in this country? We only have 70% of all the lawyers on the planet trying to earn a living here. Why didn’t you go to a trade school and find real job skills? Oh, I know, getting your hands dirty from manual labor gives you an anxiety attack and causes you to hyperventilate. What a wuss.


25 posted on 12/28/2013 5:25:03 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: ilovesarah2012

And secretaries. I was a legal secretary till I became sick in 2008. I wanted to go back to work, but the jobs aren’t there. My last employer had said it would take me back, but by the time I was ready to return, everything had changed. The firm no longer has a secretary for 1 or 2 attorneys. Now it has one secretary for a whole department of maybe 6 or more attorneys. Thanks to all those electronic devices, there really isn’t enough work for that many secretaries.


26 posted on 12/28/2013 5:25:37 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I went to his blog and read a few of his posts. It was all I could take. He's a male version of a Debbie Downer. He only sees the negative side of everything. Constant harping about the faults of others, his job etc. all peppered with foul language.

How he can complain about not having a law job when he didn't even go take the bar exam is beyond me. Those law firms that turned him down were on to something.


27 posted on 12/28/2013 5:26:05 AM PST by Shannon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Unemployment income with food stamps has become an upper tier welfare class. The idea of taking a job that doesn't use that useless education is incomprehsible to the entitiled. If they were smart, they'd take a job that promotes from within and has professional jobs up the ladder.

If they actually had to make a living, they'd want there to be tariffs to protect US manufacturing, they'd want the invaders sent home, they'd avoid foreign merchandise that undermines our economy. They'd demand that the laws and regulations that make it near impossible to start and grow a small business were overturned.

They're the segment of the population that should be demanding change and a return to constitutional conservative values. Instead they want handouts and once they get on Medicare they'll be tied forever to upper level wellfare. We are so over as a nation.

28 posted on 12/28/2013 5:27:24 AM PST by grania
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I purchased a book from Nolo Press (a legal publisher) back in the 1990s, which was filled with vignettes of people who had gotten a law degree and not practicing law.

Back then, law schools churned out graduates at a far higher rate than the job market for lawyers could support. Apparently, this is still the case.

Anyone going to college should do some research into their chosen career field first; some majors have far more graduates than job opportunities. If they don’t do that kind of research, they have no business complaining that they can’t find a job in their field.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 5:28:29 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He may have lost his pride. But now has a chance at earning dignity through hard work.


30 posted on 12/28/2013 5:34:55 AM PST by D Rider
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” He didn’t get a job offer though.”

This truth would have reverberated with me. A real clanger.


31 posted on 12/28/2013 5:37:02 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: MasterGunner01

There are fewer physicians in the US per person than in most OECD countries. In 2010, the U.S. had 2.4 practicing physicians per 1,000 people. The OECD average was 3.1. Obamacare or not, there won’t be a lot of doctors (and nurses) who need to sell cologne to pay the rent. (But that pathway requires a lot more effort and isn’t as pleasant as billing $350/hr for surfing the net.)


32 posted on 12/28/2013 5:40:52 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hopey Changy stuff


33 posted on 12/28/2013 5:41:12 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Born to Conserve

It used to be there were factories to send those less academically inclined.

Now they would have to go to China.


34 posted on 12/28/2013 5:41:31 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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35 posted on 12/28/2013 5:45:09 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: ilovesarah2012

From your keyboard to the Lord’s ears.

Perhaps this is a sign the market for lawyers has reached saturation and can not support any new comers. Now we need to retrain these younger minds in the realities and truths of Conservatism so when they do find jobs as lawyers they take over the socialist cabal who run The Bars and their collective lobbying groups in DC.

Regards and Have a Blessed Happy New Year.


36 posted on 12/28/2013 5:45:59 AM PST by Sine_Pari ( controllers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why am I not shocked that this pathetic person has a blog.


37 posted on 12/28/2013 5:47:21 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump


38 posted on 12/28/2013 5:47:48 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Gaffer

Plumbers get paid to move the turds, lawyers get paid to stir the turds — that’s why plumbers have more value.


39 posted on 12/28/2013 5:47:48 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He needs to get married and have a kid. That job will be the thing that elevates his dignity....


40 posted on 12/28/2013 5:51:21 AM PST by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: warsaw44

ping


41 posted on 12/28/2013 5:52:16 AM PST by warsaw44
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To: Hot Tabasco

Should the word section not read suction when it comes to the attorney suction in the yellow pages?


42 posted on 12/28/2013 5:53:27 AM PST by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Sine_Pari

Too many lawyers try to practice law. Too many engineers work as engineers. Too many accountants work as accountants. These three professionals can often find bigger bucks doing things like sales, management, etc.


43 posted on 12/28/2013 5:54:53 AM PST by impimp
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To: castlegreyskull

If you take greed out of the equation for becoming a lawyer there is unlimited opportunity to serve the community as a legal proffessional and make a decent living.


44 posted on 12/28/2013 6:04:06 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Born to Conserve

they do but it sure seems like 90% of the jobs created now no longer lead to a middle class existence.


45 posted on 12/28/2013 6:09:45 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I agree. I would never become a lawyer, unless it was to serve to make a community better.


46 posted on 12/28/2013 6:14:08 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Pollster1

Thank you! My feelings exactly! I worked everything from construction to pizza delivery befor I graduated from law school and passed the bar, and I tell my kids I’d do ANY honest work that put food on our table. The entitled arrogance of the last couple of generations is pathetic.


47 posted on 12/28/2013 6:15:58 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Mercat

Agreed. I joined the Air Force 3 weeks after the bar results came out and got six years of invaluable experience while serving my country, got out to work for the big firms, hated it, have been in practice with my dad for 20 years. Nobody owes me nuthin’.


48 posted on 12/28/2013 6:18:54 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: castlegreyskull

The average age for a welder now is almost 60.

We’ve got an entire generation of people that don’t want to WORK. SO MANY OF THEM SHOULDN’T EVEN BE IN COLLEGE.

We’ve got all these illegals over here because so many of the “working age” people are wasting 4-6 years on a political science degree instead of doing something society needs.

We need to quit funding college grants and loans that produce more lawyers and political science degrees. Colleges and universities are milking the taxpayer.

He took a risk to go to law school. It didn’t work out. Too bad. He might should take a look at going to a trade school now. Something that will prepare him so that he can get a real job.


49 posted on 12/28/2013 6:20:03 AM PST by boycott
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We sure have a bunch of Nelsons on Freep. You know the kid from the Simpsons always going “Ha Ha’ at others misfortunes.
We have more people and not enough jobs. What someone did 20 years ago to get by and eventually thrive doesn’t always cut it any longer. I know i got a job interning in a business i had no background for 35 years ago. I’m still doing the same thing. Today only someone with a degree in business can get that intern position. At a larger firm its a masters or don’t apply.
Instead of mocking people and immediately saying oh they must be a liberal either outright or by inference we’d be better served recognizing the game has changed and what worked in the past is no longer applicable, at least much less so.
I for one would rather discuss solutions than to stand back and mock. It’s not like conservative politicians don’t either read sites like this or have someone do it for them and gauge the temperature of the base. We can make a difference outside of the voting booth.


50 posted on 12/28/2013 6:20:03 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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