Skip to comments.Military Retirement Cuts: Prelude To Coming Social Security Changes
Posted on 12/28/2013 5:50:47 AM PST by SkyPilot
As someone who is constantly researching retirement, I find the recent funding cuts to military retirees very disheartening. Worse yet, I see this as a move to establish ground zero for the testing of changes to Social Security benefits.
On Wednesday, the Senate passed a bipartisan budget that scales back cost of living adjustments for working age military retirees starting in 2015. Several sources including Military.com suggests that qualified participants could lose between $3,700 and $6,200 per year, or an aggregate between $83,000 and $124,000 before they retire based on rank, age and years of service.
Despite some protests, a few web articles, and assorted angry Facebook posts from former military personnel, its pretty much a done deal. The message seems clear: if youre young (under the age of 62) and capable there will be no perks for you.
Whether you support the decision or not, the rapid process by which these benefits were stripped and seemingly limited public and media anger, may just be setting the stage for related actions within the Social Security program. Its well documented that the Social Security fund is set to go bust by 2033, with some experts suggesting it could happen sooner. Whether its ten, fifteen or even twenty years away, that insolvency date needs to change for the system to survive, and the logical and now accepted way to do it is on the backs of those who can, and already are paying into the system.
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I believe the author of this article, Robert Laura, is dead on with this theory (i.e. some in Congress think that using the military cuts, it will pave the way for Social Security cuts). Particularly Paul Ryan.
I agree there is something very tangible about his theory, because the slashing of COLAs for our retired military and currently serving military makes almost no fiscal or political sense whatsoever. By cutting cost of living raises for all retired and future retired military, the government (that spends $10.46 Billion per day), "saves" $6 Billion over ten years.
Is is really worth it? This betrayal of our military (right before Christmas) has set off a political time bomb, and even the general public is outraged. Paul Ryan's reputation among pro-military and many Conservatives has plummeted. His Facebook page comments are a disaster. Comments to news articles are overwhelmingly negative. Letters to expressing outrage are pouring in. Anyone with a conscious realizes that cutting pensions for military retirees (while we are giving away hundreds of Billions in new spending to ObamaCare takers, illegals, and the rest) is pornographic.
Disabled military retirees are not even exempt from these cuts. A proposed "technical correction" that both parties are proposing in January won't help most of them either - they only want to exempt those who retired early for injury, or even for non-combat or non-duty related illness. VA rated disabled or our severely wounded veteran retirees are not even mentioned - their retirement pensions are still to be cut (that's another story.....Hagel and Ryan don't want to exempt them because they want even more cuts to VA disability - exempting them from pension cuts won't help in their quest to screw our military even more in the future).
So why do it?
I believe some in Washington think they can parlay these cuts into general Entitlement cuts, but there are problems with this proposal:
1. The Democrats in the House and Senate have no desire to reform Social Security; even when a chained CPI cost of living proposal was sent to Harry Reid during the Fiscal Cliff negotiations last year, Reid literally threw it in his Senate office fireplace (really)
2. Using our military (including combat disabled retirees) as a pawn in the Washington game of entitlements and spending is beyond wrong
3. The military retiree and currently serving men and women in uniform should be the last group targeted for spending cut - NOT THE FIRST.
E-mail I received earlier about an anti-veteran union leader:
This was on facebook and of course created a huge response. facebook keeps deleting the pic and information and posts of what she said about vets.
Pass it around, get it out there.
I saved the pic, here is a link to a screenshot uploaded to photobucket.
What amazes me about this is that the same people who want to cut military pensions are pushing for a huge raise in the minimum wage.
Set the minimum wage increase on the cost of living increase and give them 1%.
Wow. The best I can say about her, probably shouldn’t be said. What a cold and empty beach! Send her out on a ship and never let her hear anything of her country again.
What a beautiful human being.
How many retirees are not paying attention to this news?
They will only notice when their check is smaller.
Notice this doesn’t kick in until after the next election.
Thank GOD for Paul Ryan
She is a miserable old hag..she will be the one who dies a miserable death..
As a legacy military family, this piece of filth needs to find out what sacrifice is. As far as useless, what’s more useless than some welfare skank with her daddy less kids. I don’t see them taking ANYTHING away from them.
I’ve told every young person that I have been asked, NO. Do not go into the military. You are only going to be screwed and used and abused and tossed aside. It has taken me TWENTY ONE YEARS (21) TO WIN MY FIGHT WITH THE VA. I only just now, in my 60’s won and got my disability on FIVE surgeries that I have had in the past 6 years because of damages to my body in the military. Only now have I received what I should have been receiving for 21 years. At least from here to death (or Rapture of the Church) I will get something for the pain, suffering and disabilities of my damaged body. I tell these kids that IF they just have to go in, to go in for 3 years, learn a skill they can sell outside and GET OUT!!! NO FULL MILITARY CAREER. GET OUT. THEY WILL LIE TO YOU, SCREW YOU AND YOU WILL IN THE END GET BARELY ANYTHING THE LYING GOVERNMENT AND PENTAGON SAYS YOU WILL GET AFTER YOUR RETIRE!!! Tell all your young family members and friends this!!!
Good for you. Unfortunately, your story is typical.
Thanks for your service, and I believe I speak for all your fellow brothers and sisters in arms when I say that it should never, ever have taken this long for the Federal government to recognize your injuries. Not in an age where people can walk to a booth in the street and walk away with 15 ObamaPhones in the pockets. Not in an age where illegal immigrants can bilk the taxpayers out of $4.2 Billion in child tax credits (each year) that they are not entitled to. Not in an age where 49 Million Americans walk around with plastic EBT SNAP cards they get reloaded with cash - each month.
At least you are in your 60s and are exempt from the cost of living cuts to your regular retirement pension. Again - good for you.
Do me a favor. Say a prayer for all the disabled retirees who suffered combat and service related injuries who are also VA disabled, but are not exempt from these pension cuts. Even with the "fix" that Ryan-Murray are attempting to snake oil peddle to the American people, those disabled warriors who were not medically retired early are not exempt.
Pray to God that His hand protects those veterans, those currently serving, and all military retirees from these Washington DC traitors.
Maybe they will cut the COLA to the social security recipients. They’ll just give them a bonus check. That’s what they did the last time we had a “shared sacrifice”. The military took the cut and the social security recipients took the checks.
The purpose of the Democrat party is to elect thieves into office so they can loot the public treasuries.
I never did drugs and could not and still cannot stand the taste of liquor..but we all sin every day and need forgiveness for a sin..so I go to God and ask..I don’t do many sins just when I get angry and wise someone bad and that is often..LOL
Says all you need to know.
We are retired military.
Scum like this will meet their maker the devil one day and then cry for God forgivness..until then she will keep spouting her hate..and remain a lonely old cow...
Key words: Working Age
Why should healthy veterans who retire in their early 40s believe that getting a check with generous COLAs for the next 40 years is healthy for the country?
This article that uses a figure of $3700 'loss' in one year, based on a 1% lower COLA has to be doing math that multiplies 3700 by 100 equalling 370000.
Please tell me what retiree gets $370,000 a year in retirement checks.
If a Forbes writer and his editor cannot do math what hope is there for any opinion in that magazine.
Government benefits of every stripe are going to be cut. It is unavoidable.
The only way we can pay every check recipient everything they think they are owed or entitled to in the future is to have a vibrant private sector that is prosperous enough to afford to pay for it all cheerfully.
We do not have that. So we will have squabbling between check recipients over who deserves a check before the other, or who gets cut or who doesn’t.
The fact is that without a vibrant and prosperous private sector, nobody gets paid their government checks. Nobody.
How do we rebuild a vibrant and prosperous private sector economy so everybody can get what they think they are owed?
What is the typical military pension for the non-disabled?
And what is the typical military payment to the disabled vets?
What were you saying about running for the Presidency Mr. Ryan!!!!!!!
Our veterans have protected us, and we as a country need to protect them and preserve their well-deserved benefits.
Every American should be offended by the underhanded backroom deals and sacrificial treatment that our so-called representatives are deviously plotting against our veterans. They are in effect shooting them in the back. What kind of country treats its defenders and heros like this?
Offshoring our industrial base to China and the turd world IS NOT a way to do it.
What is the typical military pension for the non-disabled?
And what is the typical military payment to the disabled vets?
Whatever it is it pails in comparison to the wasteful, redundant, and corrupt spending that goes on in Washington. The real problem is the sheer size of government, not what it costs to support our veterans. That cost is trivial in the overall scheme of things.
Clinton took The Cold War Peace Dividend back in the 90s. Where is our War On Poverty Peace Dividend? The Democrats promise their loyal voters the moon and then run the country into the dirt. If anyone is serious about solving the problems, then the first thing to do is examine all the rules, regulations and laws in this country. We need to stop putting a straitjacket on American business. Turn them loose. Private sector jobs CREATE tax money. Government jobs CONSUME tax money.
How do we rebuild a vibrant and prosperous private sector economy
Step #1: Shrink the size and functions of government.
Step #2: Repeat step #1.
Maybe because they signed a contract with the federal government. A veteran who has served the last 20 yrs. has been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan numerous times. While deployed he or she is on duty 24/7. While deployed they risk life and limb and do so with a minimum of complaining. Who is more deserving of a pension.....a military retiree or the run of the mill government employee who not only risks nothing but receives a much larger pension than a veteran in the equivocal position!!!
Step #1: Shrink the size and functions of government.
Step #2: Increase import tariffs and decrease/eliminate income taxes
Conservatives complain the poor have too many benefits and then they turn around and complain veterans’ benefits should not be cut.
Its not a case of principles but defending your favorite constituency’s entitlement. Every one it seems, has one they want to keep. That’s why we can’t get a handle on runaway spending.
Keep off your hands my benefits - take away the other fellow’s. That’s an attitude that not going to make our current social safety net solvent for future generations and truly help those in need.
We need to have a debate on how much sacrifice is acceptable. When the bread and circuses come to an end, what happens to the stability of the country? And those most mad at Paul Ryan are not offering any alternatives on how they would reform the system that keeps Washington in the red year after year.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.
Military retirement is not about fairness, it is about retention.
Retention means you keep people who would otherwise go off and do their own thing, like making a career, earning their fortune—or not, and just being a civilian.
The military values and needs mid-rank officers and NCOs. If they cannot be retained then you wind up with a force that cannot make a good decision and you ultimately lose wars and wind up with a lot of people killed. How much does THAT cost the USA?
It’s insurance. Sure, you could save a lot of money by cancelling all your insurance policies, but what will you do when events occur (and they ALWAYS do)?
At some point, this will hurt the military—and our nation—as it will be much harder to retain those people they really need, and frankly, it is those people who are the primary reason why our nation’s military is number 1 in the world.
We can lose efficiency very, very quickly, too. All it takes is 5 percent a year drop in reenlistments and you’re back to late 1970’s era hollow military. A US military that, in measuring effectiveness in NATO exercises, for example, that ranks bellow Belgium and Denmark! I was in then. I remember at Fort Carson, Colorado (around 1978) they had a battalion of child molesters, rapists and other sociopaths that they were trying to rehab rather than let go because the Army couldn’t afford to lose any more NCOs.
It bothers me that in all the discourse on this issue no one—here or elsewhere—is looking at the costs from a retention standpoint.
They don't want to cut a thing and live in la-la land of violating the Accounting Equation with a Printing Press. Remember when who was it Hank Paulson under GWB wanted to buy Real T-Bills and not the funny money IOU's in SSI and he got heck for it? And how about GWB attempting real SSI reform and nothing was done and he got eviscerated for it. In the grand scheme of things he was right and it is what 8 years later and nothing has been done?
We all know SSI, M-care, M-caid are insolvent models, what they don't get it the Tea Party is in fact a screed for them to treat us like adults, sit down and have the conversation that changes are needed, they will hurt and they are too dysfunctional to do so....
Don't you think "import tariffs" are a form of welfare for businesses that otherwise would not be profitable? Such tariffs might make sense to punish other countries who are exploiting their people, for example. As a crutch to create employment opportunities at home I think this is a dangerous economic drug which will support an ever-growing addiction.
“Every American should be offended by the underhanded backroom deals and sacrificial treatment that our so-called representatives are deviously plotting against our veterans. They are in effect shooting them in the back. What kind of country treats its defenders and heros like this?”
Every American ought to be offended by a lot more than that.
“we as a country need to protect them and preserve their well-deserved benefits.”
We need to first protect Americans against an ever encroaching government (remember, the military is a part of that problem, too) so that prosperity can return to the country as a result of citizens enjoying their freedoms and ability to succeed or fail as a result of their own hard work and good or bad fortune.
Military benefits, and every other government activity is secondary to that. The Constitution says so.
If America is not vibrant, growing, and innovative, there is no money for benefits, or increased benefits for anyone, I don’t care who you are or why you think you deserve a government check.
If we have prosperity, private sector taxpayers can pay for it all.
If we don’t have private sector prosperity, we can only afford a small fraction of it - and everybody complains about everyone elses check.
“it is those people who are the primary reason why our nations military is number 1 in the world.”
No. It is freedom-loving Americans who prosper, pay a fair level of taxes that pay for everything that is the primary reason we can pay for a military that is number 1 in the world.
Want to get PO’ed?
“Offshoring our industrial base to China and the turd world IS NOT a way to do it.”
Absolute agreement on your point.
It’s the Fall of the Roman Empire all over again.
Cut the military, grow the Bread and Circus.
It’s ‘interesting’ to be present and see it happening. I always had the impression that the Romans didn’t know what they were doing then but it’s obvious that like us they knew and couldn’t stop themselves. The maintenance of the establishment is conflated with the maintenance of the state by the leaders and the populace is glued in front of their establishment subsidized TVs eating their SNAP-bought cookies and drinking their SNAP-bought sodas.
Yeah, I’m old enough and have seen it coming so long it’s merely ‘interesting’ to me.
Tell me that your post (3) was not real. I can not believe that there are really people that heartless.
Gee I don’t know gold, maybe we can look into the tons of fraud and abuse? I think that would be a great start.
I find myself having a strong reaction to your post, and yet I’m on my way for the day and can’t write out my retort to your gross over simplification of these matters.
“Thank GOD for Paul Ryan”
Yeah, if you think the US is so ainful and corrupt it should be destroyed and the lssons from it’s failure be impressed aupon the rest of the world then he is truly doing God’s work.
I don’t take that view but it is certainly valid.
Who is more deserving of a pension.....a military retiree or the run of the mill government employee who not only risks nothing but receives a much larger pension than a veteran in the equivocal position!!!
Separate issue! I’d like to see all government-worker pensions scaled back and have all employees paid by taxpayers have to provide for their own retirement in much larger amounts than is currently allowed. Why shouldn’t they have to put their own money into IRAs, etc?
I always say a prayer for all miltary folks, disabled or not. For I are one of those disabled ones.
No, it seems real.
meanwhile $1.5 billion goes to Somalia