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Benefits Ending for One Million Unemployed
New York Times ^ | December 27, 2013 | ANNIE LOWREY

Posted on 12/28/2013 5:51:29 AM PST by reaganaut1

WASHINGTON — An emergency federal program that acts as a lifeline for 1.3 million jobless workers will end on Saturday, drastically curtailing government support for the long-term unemployed and setting the stage for a major political fight in the new year.

The program, in place since the recession started in 2008, provides up to 47 weeks of supplemental unemployment insurance payments to jobless people looking for work. Its expiration is expected to have far-reaching ramifications for the economy, cutting job growth by about 300,000 positions next year and pushing hundreds of thousands of households below the poverty line.

An extension of the unemployment program did not make it into the two-year budget deal that was passed just before Congress left on its winter recess. When the federal program expires, just one in four unemployed Americans will receive jobless benefits — the smallest proportion in half a century.

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Republican aides said they remained willing to negotiate. “Why didn’t they offer a plan that met the speaker’s requirements — fiscally responsible, with something to create jobs — or any plan, for that matter, before they left for the holidays?” asked Michael Steel, a spokesman for John A. Boehner of Ohio, the speaker of the House.

Some Democrats have suggested that continuing the program for three months, with the estimated $6 billion in spending offsets coming from agricultural subsidies in the farm bill.

But some conservatives have shown stauncher opposition.

“I do support unemployment benefits for the 26 weeks that they’re paid for,” said Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky on Fox News. “If you extend it beyond that, you do a disservice to these workers. When you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you’re causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy.”

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I don't think unemployment benefits should last longer than 6 months. If someone has not found a job in that time, they need to lower their sights and/or be willing to move to an area with more job openings.
1 posted on 12/28/2013 5:51:29 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
Its expiration is expected to have far-reaching ramifications for the economy, cutting job growth by about 300,000 positions next year...

Only a true libtard could read this without laughing out loud. Cutting unemployment benefits will SPUR job growth as the sit-at-home benefit recipients will be forced to get up, go out and actually start working again.

Albeit at a lower pay scale than they would likely wish.

2 posted on 12/28/2013 5:56:06 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: reaganaut1

The net effect will be that 1 million people will no longer be considered unemployed and will be dropped from the pool of those seeking work. The official unemployment rate will drop. Leftist will cheer.


3 posted on 12/28/2013 5:56:20 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: reaganaut1
they need to lower their sights and/or be willing to move to an area with more job openings.

Love to hear this type of advice from people who have not even walked a step in the shoes of the unemployed in THIS job market.

For some jobs, there have been several hundred applicants and more per opening. Watch the JOLT report for an aggregate number. Saying "just move" sounds nice, but moving cross country costs many thousands of dollars and is not good advice in a piss poor job market. Who is to say the new job they land out there will not simply evaporate? Then all that money spent moving is for not.

I do not wish ill on people but I do wish many who do not see things as they are will be put in that situation someday.
4 posted on 12/28/2013 5:56:53 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: reaganaut1

I would bet that 2 months after the unemployment benefits end 50% of those people have some kind of jobs.


5 posted on 12/28/2013 5:57:22 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: reaganaut1
“Why didn’t they offer a plan that met the speaker’s requirements — fiscally responsible, with something to create jobs — or any plan, for that matter, before they left for the holidays?” asked Michael Steel, a spokesman for John A. Boehner of Ohio, the speaker of the House.

Why didn't the Speaker preempt them by offering one of his own?

6 posted on 12/28/2013 5:57:34 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: reaganaut1

Just think, this coming weeks jobs report will show a net gain of 1 million employed since they will be off the un-employment list. Obvious the economy is turning around/has turned the corner. If you’re not filing, you must be working. Right?


7 posted on 12/28/2013 5:58:04 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: John Valentine

Unemployment rate will drop and Obama will claim credit.


8 posted on 12/28/2013 5:58:17 AM PST by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: Venturer
I would bet that 2 months after the unemployment benefits end 50% of those people have some kind of jobs.

I wish there was some way to take you up on that bet.

9 posted on 12/28/2013 5:58:49 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: All; reaganaut1

Job search sites:

http://www.Indeed.com

http://www.Jobvertise.com

http://www.Careerbuilder.com

http://www.nationjob.com

http://www.ajb.dni.us/


10 posted on 12/28/2013 6:00:10 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: reaganaut1

This means that starting Monday, most of those 1.3 Million people will finally get off their lazy butts and start looking for jobs. The rest will look for other ways to loot via more permanent “entitlements.”


11 posted on 12/28/2013 6:00:42 AM PST by Klaatu Barada Nikto (Liberty is not a Loophole)
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To: Venturer
I would bet that 2 months after the unemployment benefits end 50% of those people have some kind of jobs.

You have not been looking for a job lately have you?

It is astounding to me how people sound so confident in what they post yet have not a clue about facts on the ground as they exist today.
12 posted on 12/28/2013 6:00:54 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: reaganaut1

I know of two industrial businesses that are looking for new workers which they will train yet the number of applicants are few. Easier staying home living on the unemployment check and EBT cards.


13 posted on 12/28/2013 6:01:27 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: reaganaut1
Between 2008 - 2012, we spent over half a Trillion dollars on direct cash payments for unemployed.

Unemployment benefits cost: $520 billion

Since 2012, Billions more have been spent - we are now approaching 3/4 of a Trillion dollars spent since 2008 on unemployment.

Paul Ryan, John Boehner, Patty Murray, Harry Reid, and Obama just betrayed our military and retired military - cutting their hard earned and well deserved pensions - in order to "save" $6 Billion......over ten years.

Disabled military are not exempt from the cuts.

Someone tell me, how in the hell do we justify spending tens of Billions of dollars now.....paying people not to work?

14 posted on 12/28/2013 6:01:49 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Red in Blue PA

I can’t seem to find the part of the constitution that requires the federal government to pay nearly two years of unemployment benefits.


15 posted on 12/28/2013 6:03:42 AM PST by impimp
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To: reaganaut1

“If someone has not found a job in that time, they need to lower their sights and/or be willing to move to an area with more job openings.”

Maybe 20 years ago; those days are gone. The fast food places near me (big chains) don’t seem to have a single worker born in this country; less than 1/2 speak passable English, and apparently no Americans are even considered for the positions.


16 posted on 12/28/2013 6:04:39 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Dallas, Texas
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=76102

Denton, Texas
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=76208

Des Moines, Iowa
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=50309

Austin, Texas
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=78701

17 posted on 12/28/2013 6:05:01 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: impimp

I am not arguing for that. But anyone who claims that most of the unemployed are playing the system have not a clue. I am currently looking and it ain’t easy out there. Not arguing for a handout, but rather that people simply acknowledge how bad it is.


18 posted on 12/28/2013 6:05:25 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Klaatu Barada Nikto
This means that starting Monday, most of those 1.3 Million people will finally get off their lazy butts and start looking for jobs.

If you really think that they've been sitting on their butts or a year and are just now thinking, "Hey! I better look for a job!" then you really are clueless. I know quite a few people who have been unemployed for a while and not a single one of them spent any time not actively looking for work.

19 posted on 12/28/2013 6:05:33 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: impimp
I can’t seem to find the part of the constitution that requires the federal government to pay nearly two years of unemployment benefits.

I think it is in the same section that says abortion is a right and state secession is not allowed. /SARC

20 posted on 12/28/2013 6:05:51 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: reaganaut1
1.3 million jobless workers

cutting job growth by about 300,000 positions next year

Sorry these numbers don't make any sense...

By cutting off 1.3 million of the employment rolls, certainly some of these folks will get off the dead asses and take a job, any job...so how does that cut job growth ?

and pushing hundreds of thousands of households below the poverty line

Are not these folks already below the poverty level ?

21 posted on 12/28/2013 6:07:11 AM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: impimp
I can’t seem to find the part of the constitution that requires the federal government to pay nearly two years of unemployment benefits.

I can't seem to find the part of the Constitution that requires the federal government to provide disability pensions for veterans either. Do you want to do away with those as well?

22 posted on 12/28/2013 6:07:25 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: impimp

“I can’t seem to find the part of the constitution that requires the federal government to pay nearly two years of unemployment benefits.”

It’s probably right after the part that allows governments to take part of your earnings for future unemployment.


23 posted on 12/28/2013 6:07:31 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: reaganaut1

And if government action is preventing any employment opportunities, they need to be motivated to do whatever it takes to change the government in question.


24 posted on 12/28/2013 6:07:52 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: kearnyirish2

25 posted on 12/28/2013 6:07:56 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is that Photoshopped or legit?


26 posted on 12/28/2013 6:09:10 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: reaganaut1

With every department, agency and check printed, we have to ask the question, Why is the government involved in this area of Americans’ lives? We have to ask this of unemployment benefits too.


27 posted on 12/28/2013 6:12:32 AM PST by lurk
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To: From The Deer Stand

“I know of two industrial businesses that are looking for new workers which they will train yet the number of applicants are few. Easier staying home living on the unemployment check and EBT cards.”

Here in NJ those jobs aren’t offered to Americans; they are becoming the exclusive domain of “replacement Americans”. Legitimate companies use legal immigrants; others use illegals.


28 posted on 12/28/2013 6:13:11 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I have wondered if it could be beneficial for there to be a website that works similar to match.com. People with spare rooms could sign up to a site and people who are looking to try a new job across country could rent a room for a reasonable amount while testing a job.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 6:13:20 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Paying the non working for 2 years vs 6 months changes absolutely nothing in the equation. Make it 5 years-changes nothing.
Perhaps one reason there are so many illegals coming to grab low level jobs is that there is some credence to the axiom, “doing the jobs Americans won’t do?”

Not bashing the unemployed but keeping Americans enabled to not be in the workforce is/has contributed to this entire problem.


30 posted on 12/28/2013 6:13:46 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not sure I get your point. You advise people to move cross country for $14/hour jobs?


31 posted on 12/28/2013 6:13:55 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kearnyirish2; impimp
Employees don't pay into Unemployment Insurance (UI), employers do*. I was at the unemployment office for 15 years as a veteran's career counselor and welfare-to-work instructor.

*With one exception which I believe is New Jersey, where both parties pay into the fund.

32 posted on 12/28/2013 6:14:50 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Irenic

Sounds nice, but people are difficult to trust. I would not let a stranger in my house.


33 posted on 12/28/2013 6:15:01 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

There are already some articles about the possibility of the UE rate dropping to the 6.8% range:
source: Business Insider: Here's Why The Unemployment Rate Could Abruptly Drop To 6.8%
34 posted on 12/28/2013 6:15:43 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: reaganaut1
Instead of asking why Congress has not funded the extension, perhaps the question the idiots in the media should ask is why there is such a serious lack of jobs in this country.

Of course, that wouldn't be politically expedient for the left.

As far as “lowering ones sight” try getting a menial job out here. For every one position open, there are thousands applying.

If you have an advanced degree in engineering, you are competing against others with even more experience, AND the added fillip of H1B visa candidates shoveled into the country and working for much much less. In fact, so much less, they can live five together in order to make ends meet.

It is always more comfortable to comment from a position of relative comfort and security on the failings of others actually experiencing the hell out here on the jobs front.

35 posted on 12/28/2013 6:16:47 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Red in Blue PA

Where did you get “$14/hour jobs” from my post? Did you go really go through nearly 100,000 openings and average out the offered wages in that short a time?


36 posted on 12/28/2013 6:16:49 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: reaganaut1

Federal jobless benefits ought to be eliminated completely. Let STATES handle joblessness as they see fit.

Of course, federal laws and regulations that CONTRIBUTE to joblessness also need to be eliminated.


37 posted on 12/28/2013 6:17:47 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: John Valentine

“Cutting unemployment benefits will SPUR job growth as the sit-at-home benefit recipients will be forced to get up, go out and actually start working again.”

Unemployment benefits are simply supplementary income for those who work under-the-table.


38 posted on 12/28/2013 6:18:06 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Irenic

That exists:
https://www.airbnb.com/


39 posted on 12/28/2013 6:18:10 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unfortunately, I live in NJ; we definitely pay into it. I had no idea other states didn’t have the same arrangement.


40 posted on 12/28/2013 6:18:43 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: impimp

Bttt


41 posted on 12/28/2013 6:19:50 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: OpusatFR

Spot on post.

I have applied to some companies just to see if I could get into a “safety” job. I have started my Master’s yet I applied for jobs at local grocery stores just to see if I could get in. Never got a call for even an interview.

Anyone who thinks people are just sitting on their ass hasn’t a clue. Some may be. But the vast majority are not.


42 posted on 12/28/2013 6:19:56 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I don’t wish people ill either. But 99 weeks on unemployment is absolutely ridiculous.

The max it should be is 52 weeks (1 year). When people feel comfortable, they are less motivated to take action. I’m sure there are some people who, perhaps subconsciously, don’t work as hard finding a job ‘cause they know the benefits are there. The longer you are out of the workforce, the more your skills and attitude atrophy.

99 weeks of unemployment isn’t doing anyone a big favor.


43 posted on 12/28/2013 6:19:57 AM PST by rbg81
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To: DoodleDawg

Article 1 Section 8 includes

I have no idea what you are talking about.

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


44 posted on 12/28/2013 6:20:06 AM PST by impimp
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To: kearnyirish2

That explains it. IIRC, you’re the only state with that set-up.


45 posted on 12/28/2013 6:20:46 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I was standing at a a friends place of business one day and a fellow came in to put in an application. He stated he didn’t want a job but he had to apply every so often because unemployment required it. This was not an isolated incident my friend told me.
We import thousands of illegals each year to do jobs Americans will not do.
Certainly if you made $100,000 dollars a year and don’t want to work for less jobs are pretty scarce, but if you are willing to work for less IMO something can be found.

Now you say there are no jobs, and perhaps you are right.
Perhaps I am right also. Perhaps somewhere in between is the real truth, and perhaps you are astounded by yourself posting what you deem as fact and do not have a clue.

I suppose that after next week we will all find out.,

By the way I am sympathetic to people in need of jobs. but I also realize that with benefits so high that a person has to make $50,000 dollars a year before it actually pays them to drop benefits and go to work there aren’t many willing to do so.

I also realize that we cannot continue pouring money into unemployment forever. When does unemployment become welfare.
Business and taxes have to pay for these benefits, and it is hurting small business.

I do not agree with the President and Nancy Pelosi when they say unemployment benefits helps grow the economy.


46 posted on 12/28/2013 6:21:11 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: reaganaut1

I’ve been on unemployment twice. The first time, I had to actively look for a job for the benefits to continue. The second time, they didn’t seem to care.

Is this the norm now?


47 posted on 12/28/2013 6:21:57 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: impimp

And where does the Constitution say provide pensions to veterans? Nowhere. But we as a nation do it because it’s the right thing to do. Assisting those trying to find a new job is also the right thing to do.


48 posted on 12/28/2013 6:22:25 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: rbg81

I would argue that the economic policies in place are not doing anyone a favor.

If people want to work and they cannot, then how can anyone fault the people?????


49 posted on 12/28/2013 6:23:20 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for the info; I couldn’t understand why this was as big an issue as it has been (since I assumed that many of these people were simply getting back what they’d paid into the system for decades).


50 posted on 12/28/2013 6:23:36 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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