Posted on 12/28/2013 7:27:24 AM PST by Timber Rattler
Last month, three women became the first of their sex to graduate from the Marine Corps’ famously grueling Advanced Infantry Training Course. The Marine Corps was asking a simple question by running small groups through these courses in experimental test batches, two to five women at a time: Can the female body withstand the rigors of infantry training? The answer, these women showed, is that it can.
So far much of the debate surrounding integration has focused on the physical capabilities of women, as if this were the singular issue. Admittedly the strain of infantry training, or even combat, is relatively easier for a 6-foot tall, 180-pound man, but there are women fit enough to survive these punishing courses. As for combat, well, if we’ve proved anything over the last decade of war, it’s that women can sustain its rigors.
So if the barrier to integrating women into the infantry isn’t a physical one then what is it?
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Excellent explanation.
Amen.
LOL interesting idea.
When I was in Germany during the 80’s, it was suggested that since we won WWII, that all German girls between the age of 18 and 22 would be required to report for duty to service the service men. Those who were not attractive enough for personal service would be required to cook and clean. After a pregnancy or 4 years, which ever came first, the girl would be released from service.
Now it was all in jest but the individual who made the suggestion said that it would replace the men lost to WWII.
[Sidebar: why doesn't the state controlled media give us a casualty count every day like they did when Bush was in office?]
Oh, and where is Cindy Sheehan, and Media Benjamin these days, huh?
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I have always thought that there needs to be three standards based upon either MOS or unit status. The standards being combat, combat support and support.
Combat units would have to pass the most stringent standards (run (2 miles timed), pushups, sit-ups, pull-ups, dead lift (60 lbs sand bag from ground up to shoulder as many times in 2 min), drag (100 yard drag of 60 lbs sand bag, timed) and a forced march (5 mile speed walk with 60 lbs ruck and weapon)
Combat support would have to pass a less rigorous set (run, pushups, sit-ups, pull ups and dead lift.
Support units would only have to pass the lest rigorous test (run, pushups, sit-ups, pull-ups)
The measure would not “accommodate” male vs. female as they are job performance based.
The most difficult standard being applied either individual or unit. For example, an Infantryman MOS assigned to a transportation or other support unit (it happens) would be required to pass the combat standard. Likewise a chemical NCO assigned to an Infantry unit (MOS based) would be required to pass the combat standard (unit based).
Promotion points should be awarded such that passing the combat standard is awarded the most promotion point but passing the support standard is awarded the least promotion points.
Although Women do make very effective assassins
It is usually under the cover of a “harmless” exterior
Okay. Now that we have “the case”, the next question should be WHY? Are we having problems recruiting MALES for the SEALs these days? Anyone with a brain knows that the standards will have to be lowered in order for the “gay” people in the Pentagon to push the first female through BUDS as the “honor graduate”. It happens all of the time. Males and females are different regardless of what the “progs” like this guy would have us believe. How in the hell did this guy get the Silver Star? Didn’t Hanoi Boi Kerry get a Silver Star also?
How tough can the advanced training for women Marines be if they don’t have to pass the standard training anymore?
But...but...but Demi Moore did it!/sarc
Its a physical one - even the smallest man is far stronger and weighs more than the tallest woman.
You can’t wave biological realities out of existence and Hollywood movies that show tiny women kicking strong men into unconsciousness is pure fantasy.
And assault weapons are not made to carry easy and and having to slough around 100 pound backpack on a full march takes a lot of endurance.
As well being able to fight in the heat and cold and day and night. When your life is on the line you want to be sure your partner can pull their weight. PC in the military has nothing to do with ability to defend our country but everything to do with ideology and social engineering.
Our enemies aren’t drafting women to fight us. We’re losing sight of what’s important here.
“....easier for a 6-foot tall, 180-pound man.” I’m reminded of Audie Murphy.
Bottom line is men should stop volunteering. Bring back the draft and draft the women, too. Then let’s see what happens.
Even Demi only half did it.
Yes, it has. The odd part is we’ll be downsizing all branches of the US military in the next few years. Fewer men will be needed. Drones and robots will also do more of the things humans used to be needed to do. In the meantime, the social experiment of making women fill traditionally male roles will get pushed even harder. There are tradeoffs to these types of things, of course.
Combat is not the same as the Infantry. Huge difference.
Let ‘em. The way this government is going our military is being groomed to be used against us. I sure as Hell don’t want to be facing hardened men.
And that’s the fine point of it. the movies are full of women showing “anything you can do I can do better” and gullible mush~for~brains are lapping it up.
I don’t envy the grunts who have to pick up the slack in real-time situations.
Rather than weakening the combat ranks, women could go the administrative route to becoming a general or other high ranking officer. Eisenhower never saw combat, but his administrative and strategic skills got him to the highest level of military service.
IOW, IF women want to be generals, they need to serve in the positions for which they are most qualified and prove themselves worthy of command. They are not qualified to man an artillery barrage. They call it “manning” for a reason.
That is the worst thing about the Hollywood, females can always beat males, propaganda, and it is propaganda. It is purposely put there to make people believe it is true.
I have been surprised how many women really believe it and not a few men do too.
I was honest with myself about BUDS. There’s no way I could get through it (I’m not a wuss- just an average man), so I never applied. I don’t see how a woman is going to get through it without some major standard relaxation/elimination.
Then there’s the problem with acceptance on the teams. Nobody’s going to want to have a half-load/no-load to drag around on an op. She’ll get left behind on the boat or aircraft to do paperwork.
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