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ON CAMPUS, SHOULD YOU BE FORCED TO PAY A PRICE FOR FREE SPEECH?
http://blog.alliancedefendingfreedom.org ^ | december 27, 2013

Posted on 12/28/2013 4:08:25 PM PST by lowbridge

Many public universities are seeking to silence campus groups with unpopular ideas by charging heavy fees when the student group hosts events the administration deems too controversial.

And all too often, the campus groups singled out for these fees are Christian or conservative.

This is exactly what happened to a pro-life student group at the University at Buffalo.  The group hosted a debate on the morality of abortion and was charged fees for campus security.  But at the same time and in the same building as the pro-life debate, another student group hosted a debate on religion versus atheism, and was not required to pay for security.

The difference was that the university’s policy on student events allowed administrators to require security for “controversial” speech or any other reason they saw fit.

In defiance of protections in the U.S. Constitution, some schools like the University at Buffalo have seen fit to impose a price for free speech.

If universities can force student groups to pay a price for free speech, what is the constitutional guarantee of free speech worth?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: censorship; fascism; freespeech

1 posted on 12/28/2013 4:08:25 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

I guess Planned Parenthood would get a price break though, right?


2 posted on 12/28/2013 4:10:41 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: lowbridge

ON CAMPUS, SHOULD YOU BE FORCED TO PAY A PRICE FOR FREE SPEECH?

Only if you are a conservative. /sarc


3 posted on 12/28/2013 4:11:26 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: lowbridge

If the school gets Federal $$ (they all do) then yes, this is a violation of the 1st Amendment.

It is OK to charge for security but all groups must be charge the same.

I think it is the Liberty Foundation that takes cases like this?

This needs to be fought in court IMMEDIATELY!


4 posted on 12/28/2013 4:22:55 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: lowbridge

“Free speech” to the Left — has always meant shouting down opposing viewpoints.


5 posted on 12/28/2013 4:23:01 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: lowbridge

Is University of Buffalo a public or private venue?

If it is public this appears to be an unconstitutional act of censorship.

If it is private I believe they can do whatever they want.

Somehow I’ll bet the answer to my question isn’t clear... ;)


6 posted on 12/28/2013 4:26:44 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: lowbridge

Give them a “Tommy Paine in the arse.”

Buy an old mimeograph machine, an IBM golf ball Selectric, some stencil paper and pamphleteer their butts till there is no tomorrow.

Papers, Papers, everywhere, with all SORTS of diabolical ideas thereon.

The old ways to protest are NEW again!

And the kids will sniff the purple ink and get an instant rush and listen to every word you printed!

Worked on us in Catholic school.


7 posted on 12/28/2013 4:34:18 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: lowbridge
Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. thefire.org FIRE specializes in fighting this sort of thing.

The University at Buffalo is the largest campus in the State University of New York system...

8 posted on 12/28/2013 4:34:36 PM PST by omega4412
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To: MV=PY

it’s full name is State University of New York at Buffalo...public, not private. My Alma Mater and I’m not surprised!


9 posted on 12/28/2013 4:35:08 PM PST by Bonneville (Truth...the new hate speech)
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To: MV=PY

It’s public. U of B is the Buffalo extension campus of SUNY (State University of New York).


10 posted on 12/28/2013 4:36:04 PM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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To: DemforBush; Bonneville
"It’s public. U of B is the Buffalo extension campus of SUNY (State University of New York)."

Then it seems to me they should treat all groups equally.

BTW, that includes Nazis, Skinheads, Communists, etc.

Note: I'm not trying to be provocative! Just pointing out the nature of free speech, which I love as a pillar of freedom.

11 posted on 12/28/2013 4:47:56 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: lowbridge

They ain’t teaching any thing worth knowing, that’s for damn sure.


12 posted on 12/28/2013 4:48:32 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lowbridge

What would be interesting to know is the process by which an event is deemed “controversial.” I kinda doubt it exists beyond “whatever we think it is.”

I *do* agree that certain speakers/subjects are likely to have a greater chance of incidents, and extra security might not be a bad idea. And, as nearly every campus group gets funding from the Office of Student Affairs, the university (even a public one) does have some right to establish guidelines.

But the definition of “controversial” needs to be in writing, and needs to be publicly presented, so campus groups, not to mention the legislature, and the taxpayers who foot the bill for public universities, can weigh in on it. It’s the only way to ensure some petty tyrant of an administrator doesn’t enforce their will arbitrarily on a campus group they don’t agree with.


13 posted on 12/28/2013 4:56:22 PM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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To: freedumb2003
Security on a college campus is paid for as part of one’s tuition. This seems lost on colleges and universities and public schools every time an issue like this comes up. When you're paying for something you call the shots.
14 posted on 12/28/2013 5:11:22 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: lowbridge

Sounds like a case the ACLJ and maybe even the ACLU would take.


15 posted on 12/28/2013 5:15:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: lowbridge

Low, I see this a bit different.. The University had every right to expect trouble at this debate, and not the other.. They know the extremist reside on the Leftist side of the isle, and therefore more apt to cause trouble as their sacred cow is being gorged..

Our side seldom get violent in public, conversely, they haven’t displayed any such restraint.. That doesn’t excuse the double standard, nor does it justify the charge, but it does establish the fees should be charged to the group creating the additional security, and that isn’t the Conservative group..


16 posted on 12/28/2013 5:20:15 PM PST by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: lowbridge

if a fee must be paid it should be the same fee for ALL student groups.


17 posted on 12/28/2013 5:34:04 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: lowbridge

All student groups are equal, but some student groups are more equal than others.


18 posted on 12/28/2013 5:34:16 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: MV=PY
Somehow I’ll bet the answer to my question isn’t clear... ;)

LOL! It's "complicated".
19 posted on 12/28/2013 5:35:56 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Hehe, my Catholic school had a mimeograph machine too!


20 posted on 12/28/2013 5:37:43 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: lowbridge

Some colleges have “”free speech zones””. I guess the students think it’s cute.


21 posted on 12/28/2013 5:37:55 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: lowbridge

I have a Beatle song in mind.........
I hate that song...:-(


22 posted on 12/28/2013 5:40:23 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: lowbridge

Reminds me of an incident in a Seattle suburb a few years ago when Bush or Cheney attended a fundraiser which was greeted by protestors of one sort or another. The police billed the Republican Party for the additional security, even though it was the presence of the protestors that caused the alleged need for extra security.


23 posted on 12/28/2013 5:46:31 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Bonneville
Of course it used to be private--the University of Buffalo. The first president was Millard Fillmore, former President of the US. After it became public, some administrators objected to "University of Buffalo" but decided it was OK for it to be the University at Buffalo. Where else in the US do they have that kind of usage? Ohio has the University of Cincinnati (public) and doesn't mind. Texas has the University of Houston (public). Tennessee has the University of Memphis (public). What is the matter with New York bureaucrats that "University of Buffalo" is unacceptable?
24 posted on 12/28/2013 5:57:24 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
University of Buffalo vs University at Buffalo

They probably thought that a city named "Buffalo" didn't really deserve a university populated by sophisticated individuals such as themselves, so by changing "of" to "at" they introduced a little "distance" between the city and the university. "Of" suggests an essential relationship, whereas "at" suggests merely a coincidence of place.
25 posted on 12/28/2013 7:07:25 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: carlo3b

“They know the extremist reside on the Leftist side of the isle, and therefore more apt to cause trouble as their sacred cow is being gorged..”

If they were on a damned “isle” we’d be a lot better off. Unfortunately those creeps are normally just on the other side of the “aisle” which makes them harder to avoid.


26 posted on 12/28/2013 8:16:35 PM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I think the other research universities in the system also use “at” but may have less of a history than UB. I know someone who is an alumnus of SUNY-Binghamton (Ph.D.), and he refers to it as Binghamton University. The other two are at Albany and Stony Brook. There is another public university in Buffalo—SUNY College at Buffalo, or Buff State.


27 posted on 12/28/2013 9:05:17 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: lowbridge

AT least someone is asking a proper question, not likely to get a proper answer these days.


28 posted on 12/28/2013 9:08:19 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: jsanders2001
I guess Planned Parenthood would get a price break though, right?

They would probably get paid "consultant" fees vs. being charged.

29 posted on 12/29/2013 3:42:12 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: lowbridge

Freedom always costs blood in the end.


30 posted on 12/29/2013 3:45:00 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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