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Hudson River town wonders what's next as GE plant heads south in latest NY manufacturing loss
The Republic.com ^ | December 21, 2013 | MICHAEL HILL

Posted on 12/28/2013 7:15:01 PM PST by Hojczyk

FORT EDWARD, New York — When General Electric moves jobs from its capacitor plant in this Hudson River town next year, worker Mark Rock figures he might have to leave, too.

About 200 jobs will head south as soon as September when GE sends local operations to Florida to cut costs. While New York has had successes in the constant geographical tug of war for jobs, manufacturing jobs like these have been dwindling for decades. People in this area south of the Adirondack Mountains are the latest to wonder what comes next.

"The high-paying jobs that we have now in the area are going to shrink," said Rock, a 41-year-year-old married father of two. "If I don't find something making at least 20 bucks an hour in New York state, then I'm skipping town."

The loss of manufacturing jobs is a national trend, but New York has felt the sting more than some other states. Paul Blackley, an economics professor at Le Moyne College in Syracuse, said New York state lost 42 percent of manufacturing jobs from 1990 through 2006. Over the same period, Florida lost 18 percent.

Blackley said there's no single reason for New York's drop, but business costs and an older infrastructure likely play a role.

"I think your tax climate, your labor costs, your old capital are probably three of the biggest factors, not only in this specific move, but a lot of the moves that you see out of New York state," he said.

The GE plant has sat by a narrow stretch of the Hudson River in this town of 6,000 since World War II. It makes electrical capacitors for power transmission systems and industrial uses.

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1 posted on 12/28/2013 7:15:01 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

This has to be Schenectady, right?


2 posted on 12/28/2013 7:18:46 PM PST by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: Hojczyk

Nice country Fort Edward…..I left NYS in 1980…it will be Detroit in 20 years….Nothing much left upstate except farmers and government workers..


3 posted on 12/28/2013 7:18:52 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Couldn’t happen to a nicer state.


4 posted on 12/28/2013 7:19:04 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Hojczyk

“About 200 jobs will head south” - only Republican conservatives are welcome. (just kidding)


5 posted on 12/28/2013 7:20:56 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Hojczyk

High taxes + absolute control of democrats + insane public and private unions = NO JOBS

See Detroit, Camden, Chicago, Newark, Cleveland, Philly for more evidence...


6 posted on 12/28/2013 7:21:36 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: ez

No not Schenectady…it is North up near Glens Falls…Lake George…I was born in Schenectady…when I was a kid they had the American Locomotive Company..Great looking Locomotives..everything is pretty much gone…it looks like Detroit…GE makes its turbines there…only thing left of GE..one time employed 50,000 people in the area..left in 1980..


7 posted on 12/28/2013 7:24:42 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
New York runs commercials down here on TV every now and then about businesses moving up there.

Kind of a sad joke, wonder how many other states it runs in?

8 posted on 12/28/2013 7:27:45 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Hojczyk
Anyone who didn't see this one coming was delusional.

GE basically made up their minds to vacate New York State after the state and the EPA pushed them to do a $500M dredging project to clean up PCBs in the Hudson River from the Hudson Falls plant.

I'm actually surprised they're moving somewhere else in the U.S. rather than overseas, considering what they went through in New York.

9 posted on 12/28/2013 7:27:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: 2banana

Chances are it will be a union shop no matter where it goes inside our borders. Big companies prefer dealing with the union over thousands of individuals.


10 posted on 12/28/2013 7:28:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hojczyk

There’s a TV commercial ad going around hawking the ‘new New York’.as tax friendly to business endeavors. Yeh, right. )O< ;{


11 posted on 12/28/2013 7:29:33 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Hojczyk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ueGk3FBOTA

but didn’t they hear about the “new” New York? (snark)


12 posted on 12/28/2013 7:29:58 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Hojczyk

When 42 % of your jobs leave the State something is wrong with the State. I should know I live in Maryland, practically nothing left here but Government.


13 posted on 12/28/2013 7:30:24 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Then there’s the clueless incoming mayor of NYC, too.


14 posted on 12/28/2013 7:30:43 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: tflabo

We getting the “new New York is tax friendly to business” TV ads all day here in Washington State.


15 posted on 12/28/2013 7:34:13 PM PST by america-rules
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To: Hojczyk
Production workers here average $28.50 an hour... "What did we do wrong?" asked John Weber, sitting on a stool at his restaurant, Ye Old Fort Diner.

well for starters, he might want to read the article

16 posted on 12/28/2013 7:37:37 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Hojczyk
Heard a commercial is running inviting companies to come ti NY and they will not pay taxes for 10 years. Has to be for foreign companies only
17 posted on 12/28/2013 7:39:15 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: cripplecreek
Chances are it will be a union shop no matter where it goes inside our borders. Big companies prefer dealing with the union over thousands of individuals. Which is why every major new automobile factory has been built in "right to work" states for last generation?
18 posted on 12/28/2013 7:39:27 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: cripplecreek
Chances are it will be a union shop no matter where it goes inside our borders. Big companies prefer dealing with the union over thousands of individuals.

???

Which is why every major new automobile factory has been built in "right to work" states for last generation?

19 posted on 12/28/2013 7:39:35 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Hojczyk

NY State has high taxes and oppressive regulations, thus high cost of living, thus high labor costs ($28.50 avg. wage for union jobs at this plant). Businesses are stupid to stay in NY if they can move somewhere else.

(Fort Edward and nearby areas are quite nice, too bad they are in NY state.)


20 posted on 12/28/2013 7:44:54 PM PST by Tom54
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To: cripplecreek
Big companies prefer dealing with the union over thousands of individuals.

No. They don't.

21 posted on 12/28/2013 7:45:32 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nobody so soundly whipped is entitled to a rematch.)
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To: ronnie raygun
Yeah. But what they don't tell you is that you'll still be dealing with: a) entitled minorities who will cause you no end of litigation b) unions and a closed union shop c) an enormous regulatory burden above and beyond the Feds and d) higher labor costs because NY State is a high cost of living area and your employees aren't on any tax holiday.

Oh yes, and then after ten years of that, you have high taxes to look forward to.

The only thing that fixes liberalism is no liberalism.

22 posted on 12/28/2013 7:49:47 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nobody so soundly whipped is entitled to a rematch.)
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To: Hojczyk

Gee!

Hillary must of missed this area of upstate NY during all of her “listening tours”

After Her Thighness became Senator, didn’t NY state share in the largess of all the government spending; didn’t she arrange to send a bunch of billions to NY from the $ Trillion porkulous stimulus package??


23 posted on 12/28/2013 7:51:11 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Hojczyk

The real story is that these jobs are moving to a lower cost STATE, not another country. Caapacitor mfg is not high-tech, and could have easily gone to Mexico or China. Kudos to GE.


24 posted on 12/28/2013 7:58:10 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: tflabo

I see those NY friendly to jobs ads here in Texas. They want to give a 10 year / “no tax break” to new businesses, where Texas has no state taxes. Must be DUmmies running those ads.


25 posted on 12/28/2013 8:02:18 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: tflabo

The “new New York”? Is it narrated by Bill deBlasio, Hillary Clinton, and “NYSafe” himself...A Cuomo?

What a trifecta! But, as one NY’er confided to me, it would be frightening to be around those “rednecks” down south.

I hear that the Repub party thinks it needs to be less conservative. Visit NY state sometime and see what that gets you.

Thanks for your good post, tflabo.


26 posted on 12/28/2013 8:02:23 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Hojczyk
Hudson River town wonders what's next


27 posted on 12/28/2013 8:04:31 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: 2banana

Its pretty likely that Toyota will be going union before long since they’ve been negotiating back and forth with the unions for a while now.

You won’t find a Ford, Chrysler, or GM plant that isn’t unionized in this country. In fact there isn’t a car made in this country that isn’t full of union made parts. I worked in a union shop that produced primarily parts for Cadillac and Ford but I also made Toyota parts on occasion.

The big Boeing fight in Washington state is a fight with one particular union but most of their union suppliers are unaffected. My cousin works on a Boeing contract in a UAW shop here in Michigan.

http://www.uaw.org/page/general-motors

The last shop I worked in I had worked for many years before when it wasn’t unionized. When I became a foreman during my second employment there I asked the general manager about the circumstances that had brought the union in. He said the company (Collins and Aikman) had invited the union in. In part it was a means of heading off the UAW attempt to unionize and the AFL-CIO had been willing to negotiate a better deal. He said it also cut down on tons of paperwork kind of like hiring through a temp service.

The manager also pointed out that 300 employees could produce a lot of grievances and it was easier to deal with a union steward once a week rather than having people lined up outside HR every day.


28 posted on 12/28/2013 8:11:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Alberta's Child

I figured the EPA had something to do with it.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 8:11:40 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: FredZarguna

LOL OK if you say so.


30 posted on 12/28/2013 8:13:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hojczyk

And whatever you do, don’t allow any fracking. It may create manufacturing jobs. We don’t want to upset Pennsylvania.


31 posted on 12/28/2013 8:13:53 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Hojczyk

Florida’s a right to work State - and we don’t have an income tax...

Anyone know what part of Florida they’re moving to?


32 posted on 12/28/2013 8:14:49 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Alberta's Child

“GE basically made up their minds to vacate New York State after the state and the EPA pushed them to do a $500M dredging project to clean up PCBs in the Hudson River from the Hudson Falls plant. “

Sheer insanity. The PCB’s were long ago locked into sediment in the river. Now they are being all disturbed again and toxic sediment is being trucked over and buried on land.


33 posted on 12/28/2013 8:16:27 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: cripplecreek

Tennessee, Alabama, and Kentucky boast the strongest auto-manufacturing industries in the country, according to newly released rankings from the corporate news magazine Business Facilities. Tennessee took the top spot on the combined strength of a General Motors plant in Spring Hill, a Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga, and a Nissan plant in Smyrna; all three factories are expanding operations in response to growing worldwide demand for cars and trucks. Alabama narrowly finished second – the Cotton State is home to Mercedes-Benz, Honda, and Hyundai plants, all of which are also ramping up production. And Kentucky finished third, thanks to growing Ford and Toyota operations. (The rankings, of “Automotive Manufacturing Strength,” were not based on just overall auto production, but took into account industry trends, growth potential, and current production statistics.)

All three top states have right-to-work laws, which prohibit employers from barring non-unionized workers, tending to weaken unions substantially.

U.S. Auto Industry Booms in Right-to-Work South
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354430/us-auto-industry-booms-right-work-south-will-allen


34 posted on 12/28/2013 8:18:12 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: GOPJ
Anyone know what part of Florida they’re moving to?

The article says Clearwater.

35 posted on 12/28/2013 8:19:51 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: GOPJ
You could live real good in Florida making 28.50 an hour..the cost of living is so high in new york…that they equal the low wages in Mississippi..this upstate NY ..not wall street
36 posted on 12/28/2013 8:25:02 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

The southern states use the community colleges to help recruit business…BMW went some place down south… and the state educated the employees to BMW standards..Florida not so much..


37 posted on 12/28/2013 8:32:10 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: cripplecreek
300 employees could produce a lot of grievances and it was easier to deal with a union steward once a week rather than having people lined up outside HR every day.

I never thought of it that way, but it makes some sense.

I happen to work for a fortune 500 manufacturing company in a non-union shop, and I can't believe the whiners and complainers.

These folks have a good paying job (27 to 40 bucks an hour) in a good environment, and all many of them can do is complain.

I think the problem is they haven't worked in a real hellhole and have no idea how good they have it.

I certainly don't envy the HR people with what they have to put up with.

It might just be easier to deal with one union thug.

Funny thing is, I have a close relative who is a union steward. He can't believe the complainers where he works either.

He's a conservative, and gets along fine with the boss.

Problem is he can't really be outwardly friends with the guy or the whiners will have something more to whine about.

38 posted on 12/28/2013 8:33:14 PM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Hojczyk

Jeff Immelt (GE CEO) is a big Obumma supporter.

So, on the one hand, these major US companies support political liberals, then they make decisions to vacate states controlled by...political liberals.

It makes no damn sense to me.


39 posted on 12/28/2013 8:37:42 PM PST by Betis70
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To: okie01
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Clearwater ... probably at the GE facility next to the St. Pete International Airport, where the Coast Guard aircraft are stationed.

It's a great location, with a half-empty industrial park right next door.


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40 posted on 12/28/2013 9:18:46 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: elpadre

We, in the south, are not kidding. Conservatives only.


41 posted on 12/28/2013 9:36:53 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Hojczyk

Well as soon as the SAFE ACT is repealed [you wish!] and/or the Cuomonitistas in Albany and NYC and his communista cronies from downstate and wherever are removed from office by election or by keep`n `n bearing our arms, barin` our arms,

we`uns don gonna start a gun factory up`n here in these here mountains n export `em to Connecticut and Commiefornia. This is after the shootin` war is over in 2014 between the sheriffs, the hillbillies on one side and state troopers, EPA and DEC on the other side, is won by the PEOPLE. Watch the show about to begin, folks! It`s only a matter of time and some foolish gung-ho Coiumonista makes the first bad mistake and starts a revolution up here, coz we got the Mohawks on our side too with plenty of AUTO firepower, plus they still take scalps...


42 posted on 12/28/2013 10:02:45 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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Gee, this is happening on the combined political “watches” of Gov. Cuomo, that jerk before him (Patterson?), Mayor Bloomturd, who’s the Democrat jerk who heads the NY State Assembly (Silver?), and the new Comrade Mayor DeBlasio, etc.

No wonder GE is fleeing the state. Even Obama’s contracts kickback deals aren’t enough to keep the rats from fleeing to better tax policy environments.

We’ll remember in November, 2014. Hope the rest of the New Yorkers do too.


43 posted on 12/29/2013 1:43:43 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Alberta's Child

The EPA’s PCB cleanup plan of the Hudson River was and is a disaster. PCBs, when left alone under sediment, break down naturally over time into basically harmless components.

EPA, in its infinite stupidity, is disturbing the overlying, protective sediment, which is keeping PCBs from leaking into the water.

I think this case happened during the EPA rule of marxist Carol Browner in the Clinton Administration.

Believe me, this isn’t the only dumbassed thing the EPA has done to either hurt the environment or to cost the taxpayers a lot of unwarranted money.

I know, I worked on EPA cases. The leftists who have headed it under the Democrats have perverted it into an anti-business agency, while decent EPA workers are made to enforce downright stupid policies which hurt the economy and the workers.

And it isn’t going to get any better. The new EPA director acts like a tough guy and looks like one too. It’s going to be a long 2-3 years until the Republicans have a chance to correct this situation.

Meanwhile the economy keeps crawling along, and millions of decent workers have no jobs. You figure it out.


44 posted on 12/29/2013 1:51:05 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
I think this case happened during the EPA rule of marxist Carol Browner in the Clinton Administration.

It started during the Clinton administration, but I believe the EPA's final record of decision was released in 2001 when Christie Whitman was the new EPA director in the Bush administration.

45 posted on 12/29/2013 4:00:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Hojczyk

But the good news is that Pete Seeger has an even better view of the Hudson from his palatial estate!


46 posted on 12/29/2013 4:03:18 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Hojczyk

You deserve all things coming your way ny... I rejoice at your collapse.


47 posted on 12/29/2013 4:04:37 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: bigbob

“The real story is that these jobs are moving to a lower cost STATE, not another country. Capacitor mfg is not high-tech, and could have easily gone to Mexico or China. Kudos to GE.”

This is the driving force behind the Dems’ push to nationalize their socialism; they can’t afford “greener pastures” within our borders. ObamaCare and fed tax policies will smack all 50 states in an attempt to destroy competitive advantages some enjoy.


48 posted on 12/29/2013 4:13:49 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Gee, this is happening on the combined political “watches” of Gov. Cuomo, that jerk before him (Patterson?), Mayor Bloomturd, who’s the Democrat jerk who heads the NY State Assembly (Silver?), and the new Comrade Mayor DeBlasio, etc. No wonder GE is fleeing the state. Even Obama’s contracts kickback deals aren’t enough to keep the rats from fleeing to better tax policy environments. We’ll remember in November, 2014. Hope the rest of the New Yorkers do too.

Reminds me of the 2000's here in Michigan with Gov. Grandholm and Kawame in Detroit. Major employers left, debt was racked up until she was term-limited and Kawame was charged. It was awful, the news never got better and the crap kept rolling down hill... Even though our Gov has been a RINO as of late, the State had enough common sense to vote him in and a Conservative House and Senate.

I Don't think their are enough Conservatives left in NY ( CT and MA for that matter too ) to make a seed change in the next election cycle.

NY Freeper's please prove me wrong...

49 posted on 12/29/2013 4:26:41 AM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Venturer
When 42 % of your jobs leave the State something is wrong with the State. I should know I live in Maryland, practically nothing left here but Government.

Yep - those that kept complying with the PC demands (Kodak for example) ran themselves into the ground. The smart ones will run themselves out of such States.

50 posted on 12/29/2013 4:46:44 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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