Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Vanity: Human Rights Camp : Gay is not a choice,to suggest otherwise is harmful. [ Birth Defect? ]
NLZ

Posted on 12/29/2013 1:44:58 PM PST by NoLibZone

"We know that being gay is not a choice someone makes, and that to suggest otherwise can be incredibly harmful."

Is HRC saying being gay is a birth defect?



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: disorders; duckdynastry; gays; homosexualagenda; psychology; vanity; yesavanity
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-94 next last

1 posted on 12/29/2013 1:44:58 PM PST by NoLibZone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

The hrc.org made the statement in response to Phil Robertson’s GQ statmenet about homosexuality.


2 posted on 12/29/2013 1:46:27 PM PST by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

so then....like how can people be bisexual, were they born that way, too?


3 posted on 12/29/2013 1:47:14 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

My totallly anecdotal guess would say “yes” (in most cases), but just because same-sex attraction disorder may be a defect in brain “wiring”, amongst other things, doesn’t mean it’s normal, anymore than anyone with cystic fibrosis or color blindness is normal.


4 posted on 12/29/2013 1:47:57 PM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Ok, if it isn’t a choice then it is a mutation in the species. And mutations are not good for the species. So yes, it is a defect.

If you don’t think it’s a choice just take a look at Miley’s latest doings. She’s smooching up on girls for attention. Just like Brittney and Katey. It is the “fashionable and hip” thing to do right now.


5 posted on 12/29/2013 1:49:11 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I think there are some peopel that might choose to “experiment” out of choice, but I’ve seen too many people who anyone who wasn’t from outer space would immediately peg as homosexual (of the “gay” or lesbian variety) and would turn out that was the correct guess. Mannerisms, speech, even body build. And there are too many people who knew they were “different” even at an early age, long before puberty. If it’s not a gene or genes, then it’s something that happens in utero.


6 posted on 12/29/2013 1:50:30 PM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone
An example of deliberate semantic obfuscation by the homosexual lobby. No one can even define "being gay" except in terms of cognitive and behavioral processes. Cognitive and behavioral processes are by and large amenable to volitional control.

It is akin to saying "alcoholism" is not a choice, but no one seriously denies that drinking alcohol is a choice.

7 posted on 12/29/2013 1:50:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steelhead_trout

“People”, not ‘peopel”!


8 posted on 12/29/2013 1:50:55 PM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.


9 posted on 12/29/2013 1:51:11 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

The agenda is a misogynistic attack equating the vulva to the anus. The 3rd world hates women.


10 posted on 12/29/2013 1:51:15 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

I always love posing this question to homo supporters:

If homosexuality is genetic and gene therapy could “cure” it, would you support the use of that gene therapy?


11 posted on 12/29/2013 1:51:58 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hinckley buzzard
Exactly. The "attraction" may be ingrained and immutable, but what you do with the attraction is your own choice.
12 posted on 12/29/2013 1:51:59 PM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

They are pushing for it being exactly as you say, a birth defect, so that gays can be included in the Americans with Disabilities Act, just as if they were blind, deaf, mobility impaired or having some sort of mental illness.


13 posted on 12/29/2013 1:53:15 PM PST by Oliviaforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

The fact is, nobody really knows what causes homosexuality, or bisexual inclinations, or any of that. We just don’t know. Those who claim it’s not a choice are pushing a liberal social/political agenda. They don’t know any more than you or I do.

Ever wonder how it is that prominent gays such as Billie Jean King or Elton John once were married to opposite sex spouses? The liberals claims that society oppresses homosexuality so much, that they married someone of the opposite sex, due to intense societal pressure to deny your gay side.

I never understood how we got from being tolerant of gays, to now reach a point at which it is actually cool to be gay in some circles.


14 posted on 12/29/2013 1:53:26 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

If it - “gay” - were genetic, then studies of identical twins (100% same genes) would show a greater proportion of “gays” among idnentical twins than the proportion of “gays” in the general population. But studies of identical twins do not show that when when “gays” are found among identical twins that both of the individuals are found to be “gay” in any greater proportion than found in the population in general. For a genetic factor to be a dominant factor science would expect that if one individual in a set of identical twins was “gay” that the other one would most likely be “gay” also. But, in fact that circumstance is not greater than in the population in general. So, is there a “gay gene” from birth? Science says not.


15 posted on 12/29/2013 1:54:38 PM PST by Wuli
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oliviaforever

“They are pushing for it being exactly as you say, a birth defect, so that gays can be included in the Americans with Disabilities Act, just as if they were blind, deaf, mobility impaired or having some sort of mental illness.”


That would be a blessing in disguise. By classifying same sex attraction disorder as a birth defect, how could “gay” advocates seriously say in the same breath that it was at the same time normal?


16 posted on 12/29/2013 1:54:52 PM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

BS


17 posted on 12/29/2013 1:55:39 PM PST by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wuli

‘So, is there a “gay gene” from birth? Science says not.’


Probably more like an in utero accident, then. There isn’t a cerebreal palsy gene, after all.


18 posted on 12/29/2013 1:56:16 PM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone
Is being a psychopath or kleptomaniac or schizophrenic a choice?

Mental illness is just that, an illness with strong negative aspects. Most definitely not something to be "celebrated".

19 posted on 12/29/2013 1:56:21 PM PST by doorgunner69
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Agree with us or you are dangerous.


20 posted on 12/29/2013 1:56:59 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wuli

If being gay is genetic, then how is that genetic abnormality passed on? Did cavemen have turkey basters??


21 posted on 12/29/2013 1:57:09 PM PST by Anton.Rutter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone

If it is a genetic mutation, could it be possible that its nature’s way of ending defective genetic lines?


22 posted on 12/29/2013 1:57:40 PM PST by Dutch Boy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Anton.Rutter

“If being gay is genetic, then how is that genetic abnormality passed on? Did cavemen have turkey basters??”


There are any number of birth defects where the sufferers historicallly (certainly before modern medicine) didn’t live long enough to reproduce, but the defects persisted through the ages.


23 posted on 12/29/2013 1:58:58 PM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Unnatural sex is a choice.


24 posted on 12/29/2013 1:59:34 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

So then it CAN be cured. Awesome!


25 posted on 12/29/2013 2:00:09 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Let’s draw distinctions here. Being a homosexual is not the issue. Participating in homosexual practices is the issue. The homosexual lobby likes to blur this distinction; it furthers their cause.

Condemnation, the “sin” part, does not come from someone being a homosexual. It comes from using their sex organs in homosexual acts.

That being said, homosexuality is considered to be a disordered state of being, and the homosexual is to be treated with compassion.


26 posted on 12/29/2013 2:00:49 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

It is a behavior and THAT is a choice.


27 posted on 12/29/2013 2:01:11 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

And people who are sexually attracted to children... born that way too, I suppose. Unless genes somehow adapt to stay on the right side of age of consent laws.


28 posted on 12/29/2013 2:04:15 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

If being homosexual was as nature as the HRC claims then, why are all human born with all the equipment to have a heterosexual relationship?


29 posted on 12/29/2013 2:05:47 PM PST by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone
mutations are not good for the species

That is not true. Some are good; those are called evolutions. Some are bad; those are called defects. Still others have no effect at all.

30 posted on 12/29/2013 2:08:41 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Disgust isn’t a choice, either, and to call someone a “hater” because they might be disgusted by homosexuality is harmful.


31 posted on 12/29/2013 2:11:56 PM PST by freerepublicchat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
so then....like how can people be bisexual, were they born that way, too?

Like Dice said, "You either do or you do not do, there is no in-between."

32 posted on 12/29/2013 2:12:53 PM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Imo, the ancient Greek culture puts the lie to that statement.

No way in hell that all Greek males had the homo (and pederasty) gene.


33 posted on 12/29/2013 2:13:02 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: reg45

You are correct...I stand corrected.

This is a bad mutation then in that it isn’t allowing the reproduction of the species. It is a defect.


34 posted on 12/29/2013 2:13:35 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Being a faggot is a learned behavior.

identical twins, identical down to their DNA, separated at birth may have one twin practicing homosexuality and the other not. It is learned behavior. Sexual deviancy.


35 posted on 12/29/2013 2:15:52 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pox

“If homosexuality is genetic and gene therapy could “cure” it, would you support the use of that gene therapy?”

Excellent question. Their response no doubt would be not to support it. It goes against their culture of being a homosexual. Why is it so many homosexuals develop a lisp they never had before?


36 posted on 12/29/2013 2:16:52 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: steelhead_trout

I prefer to the term “peopel” when we’re discussing homosexuality. Abnormal spelling for abnormal people. ; )


37 posted on 12/29/2013 2:18:29 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Dutch Boy

“If it is a genetic mutation, could it be possible that its nature’s way of ending defective genetic lines?”

Since liberals believe in evolution and because homosexuals cannot reproduce, and they claim it is genetic (BS on that one), then they should support the idea that homosexuals are defective and are not entitled to live.


38 posted on 12/29/2013 2:18:50 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Trueblackman
If being homosexual was as nature as the HRC claims then, why are all human born with all the equipment to have a heterosexual relationship?

I've always wondered if it's both nature AND nurture. Some children grow up in horrible situations, yet have just the right combination of inner strengths which allow them to come out of it unscathed. Others grow up in what for all purposes are good, healthy situations yet for some reason wind up on the wrong side; perhaps there was something known only to them that pushed them, due to a specific weakness (nature) which their environment (nurture) couldn't overcome?

So it may be with homosexuals. There may have been some sexual experience way back in their past which pushed them the wrong way, and given their tendencies, it became an irreversible (maybe, who knows) path.

Scientists have shown that neural pathways in the brain, once established, are extremely hard to change. And certain ones are much harder to change than others. Talk to someone who has tried to quit smoking. Sexual tendencies in the brain pathways, once established, are of the same concept.

39 posted on 12/29/2013 2:20:05 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

Can’t have it both ways. If being homosexual is NOT a choice, then evolution would say there should be no homosexuals. Guess NATURE want’s to clean the genepool.


40 posted on 12/29/2013 2:20:26 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

You think prisoners were born gay?


41 posted on 12/29/2013 2:21:01 PM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pox

Or a birth defect you could “choose” to abort....

That makes their heads explode.


42 posted on 12/29/2013 2:21:16 PM PST by Salamander (Hey, Jack the Ripper, won't you come on over... hook me up to the power lines of your love...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

It’s actually a question with a binary solution set.

Either people are responsible for their actions, or they are not.

If they are not, they have no claim on liberty.


43 posted on 12/29/2013 2:22:17 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steelhead_trout

Soelynt Green is peopel.

:)


44 posted on 12/29/2013 2:23:09 PM PST by Salamander (Hey, Jack the Ripper, won't you come on over... hook me up to the power lines of your love...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone

If gay is not a choice, then how can we cease the spread of it, with out eradication?


45 posted on 12/29/2013 2:25:28 PM PST by Terry L Smith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoLibZone
Whether it's by choice or some genetic screw-up, it's still not correct. Attempting to mate with someone of the same gender just doesn't make sense any way you look at it.

If it's a physical/genetic defect, then we should seek a cure. If it's not genetic, then we should develop a therapy for it.

46 posted on 12/29/2013 2:26:13 PM PST by Cementjungle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: papertyger
It’s actually a question with a binary solution set.

Either people are responsible for their actions, or they are not.

If they are not, they have no claim on liberty.

You've just described the theories put forth by the philosopher B.F. Skinner

I don't ascribe to his theories, but they are compelling nevertheless. His novel "Walden Two" is a good read.


47 posted on 12/29/2013 2:26:50 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Oliviaforever

But in claiming birth defect status, they admit to being defective and abnormal.

This has not occurred to them?


48 posted on 12/29/2013 2:27:01 PM PST by Salamander (Hey, Jack the Ripper, won't you come on over... hook me up to the power lines of your love...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone

“Ok, if it isn’t a choice then it is a mutation in the species...”

And, Mother Nature has pronounced that mutation a dead end.


49 posted on 12/29/2013 2:29:09 PM PST by moovova
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Salamander

Maybe someday it’ll get them a handicapped parking sticker. :0)


50 posted on 12/29/2013 2:29:32 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-94 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson