MSNBC Host Apologizes To Romney Family After Mocking Mitt Romney's Black Grandchild

Business Insider ^ | 12/31/2013 | Brett LoGiurato

[ladyjane]

A la Tom Lehrer

“Oh the black folk hate the white folk

The white folk hate the black folk

And everybody hates the Mormons”

Not everybody. It just seems that way sometimes.

[Graybeard58]

Folks are even resorting to keeping “special lists” of other FReepers they hold in contempt simply because there is disagreement on topics. This does not bode well...

I don't keep a list but there are some members who are contrarian in nature and are obnoxious in expressing their contrarianism, they seem to live for it.

Not so much on the religion forum as the news/activism forum but it's sophomoric to keep a "list", that's down right Nixonian or even worse - obamanistic.

Having been here 10 years, I've seen them come and go and must adnit, I get a little thrill when they overstep the boundaries and get the boot.

I know, I know, that's not very nice of me.

P.S. I've never run into an obnoxious "Inman".

Graybeard58 - Charter Member

[Elsie]

What the Inmans who chimed in did on this thread was to take a thread about mocking Conservative family values and hijack it and mock the Romney family from a different angle.

You are correct.

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It seems that no matter the context of a story about a Mormon, the reaction of many is to use the opportunity to attack Mormonism.

You are also correct.

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This was not the thread to attack Mormonism...

Maybe; maybe not.

We FI's are very limited in our impact on the world, compared to, how many is the claim now - 75,000 or so 'missionaries' around the world, pounding on doors for 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a year or more?

We feel OBLIGATED to use EVERY chance given to point out the damnable heresy that calls inself Mormonism.

Perhaps we DO err on the side of excessiveness; but, to me; that is better than erring on the OTHER side.

[Elsie]

When a brother or sister is under fire, so am I.

Thus, we are on the same team.

And, as a team player; I expect for my mates to point out to me where I could possibly do better.

[P-Marlowe]

Thanks Elsie.

I understand the zeal of those of us who want to expose the false doctrines of the LDS Church. And while they draft 75,000 of their children to go out into the world to spread a False Gospel, I dare say that most of the people they convert are not convinced by their doctrines to join the church, but by the good deeds and loving attitudes of the missionaries and the members who greet them as they visit the church. In essence they kill them with kindness.

The last two missionaries that came to my house volunteered to help me with my yard work that I was doing as they approached me. They were very polite and considerate and a sharp contrast to most of the young men their age these days.

I think as Christians we should learn from their methods. If we want to win converts to Christ, then we need to emulate Christ. Kindness and grace go a lot further than mocking and ridicule.

I only wish that Evangelical Churches could produce 75.000 young men every year who could volunteer to give up two years of their lives to go into the world and preach the true gospel and volunteer to help old men with their yard work.

Unfortunately these days the Evangelical Churches are more interested in investing in million dollar sound systems to entertain goats rather than covincing their members to go out into the world and gather sheep.

[Elsie]

Yet somehow they think that being adopted by a model Mormon family, like they grew up in, is somehow a sentence of eternal damnation.

Kinda like some of our FR brethren that think having OBAMA as president will forever ruin this country.

[Elsie]

God is in control of his destiny.

I know you are NOT eliminating Free Will here.

[Elsie]

And everybody hates the Mormons”

Some hate is more equal than others...

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I'm just SURE that our FR Mormons will denounce quite strongly the following statements...

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

P.S. I've never run into an obnoxious "Inman".

Aw...  shucks...

 

[Elsie]

I agree with all you’ve said here!

[Elsie]

Unfortunately these days the Evangelical Churches are more interested in investing in million dollar sound systems to entertain goats rather than covincing their members to go out into the world and gather sheep.

Oh NO!

I've installed a small heater to help keep MY goats from freezing their butts off!

And do we THANK him for it???

Ha ha HA! We're GOATS!! FEED us!!!

[P-Marlowe]

My will is only as Free as God allows it to be. I pray that he keeps me on a short leash. When I exercise my limited Free Will, I always seem to fall on my face. When God directs my steps, I walk with him.

My conversion from Mormonism did not occur outside of the compelling influence of God. I am here now because of Him, not because I was smarter, holier, or luckier than the next guy. My salvation is not due to anything other than the mercy and Grace of God.

Other than that, no, I’m not eliminating Free Will. It is always present to draw me away.

[P-Marlowe]

The last laugh will be yours, when you eat them.

[Elsie]

I hope I don’t have to...

[Elsie]

Like Popcorn and Caramel; they’ve been spared...