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Red versus Blue States: A Divide Worth Having
American Thinker ^ | 12/31/2013 | J. Robert Smith

Posted on 12/31/2013 8:14:54 AM PST by RoosterRedux

The left has long sought to nationalize government, which means a subordination of the states. In the meantime, liberals aren't blind to the advantages red states enjoy over blue states, in terms of siphoning off blue states' productive citizens and enterprises. Liberals see where many businesses choose to relocate. They appreciate that red states are often more affordable to Americans.

Critical to the nation's ongoing experiments in democracy is the imperative to roll back intrusive -- and often coercive -- national government. Washington is an informal ally of blue states, like Maryland, at the expense of red states, via legislation, court rulings, or executive fiat. What Washington can't annex from states outright, it uses taxpayers' dollars to leverage compliance with federal rules and regulations.

The Obama presidency has been largely an attempt by the left to reenergize and reassert national government at the expense of true federalism. President Obama is the "anti-Reagan." The left wants leftism regnant in every state and locality and is using a bolder national government to impose itself.

But the left's error may be in thinking that conservative Americans will eventually go quietly into the good night, permitting the left to work its will. Big fights loom if the left continues to try to ram its agendas down the throats of red state Americans (ObamaCare is a first critical battle). There's now a long history of leftism in America. The right's rejection of leftism is grounded in the left's demonstrated failures and in cultural and societal constructs that conservative Americans view as wrong-headed and deficient. The lines have been drawn and set.

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1 posted on 12/31/2013 8:14:54 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that jobs and businesses will gravitate to where costs are lower. That means states where there is right to work and where there are no or low state income taxes.


2 posted on 12/31/2013 8:21:10 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: RoosterRedux

There are really only a small handful of “blue states”.


3 posted on 12/31/2013 8:21:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RoosterRedux

As a native Texan, I would love to see a separate country made up of true patriots and believers. Now it begins. . .


4 posted on 12/31/2013 8:24:33 AM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: cripplecreek
There are really only a small handful of “blue states”.

California by itself is worth at least four or five average size states. Illinois is worth at least two or three. New York state is also good for several.

The sad part is that pre-Pete Wilson California was NOT blue. They could vote for Jerry Brown or Deukmajian (sp?). Illinos was RINO Republican as the suburbs offset Chicago. It was just as corrupt then, however.
5 posted on 12/31/2013 8:25:47 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Blue States have high debt, high taxes and corrupt Government that is run like the Mafia.
6 posted on 12/31/2013 8:30:09 AM PST by scooby321
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To: RoosterRedux
Subdivide even more, IMO.

Most of Illinois would love to divide itself from Chicago, for example.

7 posted on 12/31/2013 8:30:30 AM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: shankbear

If that country forms, I would guess they would have a huge economic boom as productive Americans move there and their much smaller proportion of parasites moves out. Those willing to work would have jobs, and the lower taxes would allow more parents who prefer raising their kids full time to choose to stay home and live on one income.


8 posted on 12/31/2013 8:30:59 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Red is Communist/Fascist, it always has been and always will be. Time to stop going by the Orwellian color newspeak switcheroo.


9 posted on 12/31/2013 8:34:40 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: shankbear

“Big fights loom if the left continues to try to ram its agendas down the throats of red state Americans “

Uh, I’ll believe it when I see it. I wish it were true, but despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, it just keeps slipping further and further away every day.


10 posted on 12/31/2013 8:36:49 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: scooby321
Blue States have high debt, high taxes and corrupt Government that is run like the Mafia.

That includes "blue" states that have RINO governors, who buy into the corruption (e.g. George Ryan, State Pen-IL; John Rowland-State Pen, CT).
11 posted on 12/31/2013 8:37:36 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Thank you. I have been posting that on this forum forever.

We are true blue patriots, not commie red.


12 posted on 12/31/2013 8:39:16 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, but they are large or densely populated. It ain’t the size, its the population.


13 posted on 12/31/2013 8:41:24 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: RoosterRedux

Urbanization goes hand-in-hand with the Blue-ward march of many localities. Until urbanization is reversed for practical reasons (increased crime, higher costs, greater hassles, etc.) the march of the Leftists will continue forward. The collapse of the cities should be encouraged.


14 posted on 12/31/2013 8:41:39 AM PST by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: Pollster1

If that country forms, it would have militarily enforced borders.
Some people would be allowed in.
Others not.
Status in the previous political alignment largely irrelevant.

Thats kind of how you stop a repeat.


15 posted on 12/31/2013 8:47:27 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Dr. Pritchett
Uh, I’ll believe it when I see it. I wish it were true, but despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, it just keeps slipping further and further away every day.

Depends on where you look. Since shedding ourselves of Jenny Granholm Michigan has been moving steadily to the right. We have all 3 branches of state government. We passed our RTW law a year ago. The majority of our representatives in DC are republican with 3 or 4 of them being tea partiers. We even put tea party backed committeemen on the RNC. Now it looks increasingly likely that we will get a tea party backed senator next year.
16 posted on 12/31/2013 8:50:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MrEdd
Some people would be allowed in. Others not.

I'm guessing that advanced degrees in gender studies and published papers on critical race theory are not a guarantee of admittance.

17 posted on 12/31/2013 8:54:30 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Dr. Pritchett

Agree with you. Most Americans, including many conservatives, won’t get off the couch or turn off the TV for even a few hours to participate in a Tea Party event much less engage in big fights against the Left. Lots of idle talk by the masses but little if any meaningful action by them is likely. Its too easy to just float down the river.


18 posted on 12/31/2013 8:57:45 AM PST by Starboard
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To: cripplecreek
There are really only a small handful of “blue states”.

Unfortunately they comprise a large chunk of electoral votes, where Dems don't have to spend a nickle on national campaigns. Ca+Il+NY=107 EV. That's 40% of the winning number before things even begin.

19 posted on 12/31/2013 8:58:24 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: RoosterRedux

The 17th Amendment nationalized the government already and the government cannot be unnationalized without repeal of the 17th.


20 posted on 12/31/2013 8:59:32 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: scooby321
Blue States have high debt, high taxes and corrupt Government that is run like the Mafia.

and most of this is slated to be paid for by those of us in the conservative states and the conservatives in the left states.

21 posted on 12/31/2013 9:01:37 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I have been totally peeved and nonplussed at how quickly conservatives wholeheartedly accepted the new PC designations.
The change is to present the Left revolutionaries as somehow the real conservatives and the conservatives as the radical bomb throwers.


22 posted on 12/31/2013 9:03:46 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: freerepublicchat
Most of Illinois would love to divide itself from Chicago, for example.

From your lips to God's ear, that's the truth!

23 posted on 12/31/2013 9:05:41 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 3Fingas; fieldmarshaldj

“We are true blue patriots, not commie red.”

Yeah, I can remember watching the election coverage when all of a sudden they explained the new helpful color coded system. I laughed out loud at the transparency of their gall. It still confuses me to this day. It’s thoroughly misleading.


24 posted on 12/31/2013 9:09:41 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: shankbear

I hear all the time here in Alabama, “We are just waiting for Texas to go out”.


25 posted on 12/31/2013 9:10:02 AM PST by Himyar
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To: Dr. Pritchett

It always makes me remember the choice offered Neo in ‘The Matrix’...take the red pill and waken to a harsh reality, take the blue pill and sleep on in your fantasy while you feed parasitic overlords.


26 posted on 12/31/2013 9:17:09 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: arthurus

Democrats fight every battle and conservatives think they can pick and choose which battles to fight. Every battle we don’t fight is just ground ceded to the democrats.

Conservatives aren’t getting out there to change the RNC which is the policy making wing of the GOP. Conservatives don’t show up to vote for college administration seats or state boards of education. Disengaging is a losing strategy plain and simple.

In our last school bond approval there were less than 200 votes cast and its estimated that less than 2 dozen of those who voted were people not employed by the school district.


27 posted on 12/31/2013 9:17:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Himyar

When TX goes out, do you think they’ll ship out all the subversives in Austin, Houston, and El Paso?? It would be a shame to start with a core of insurgents already inside the walls. (As we did with millions of freed slaves after the Civil War).


28 posted on 12/31/2013 9:20:28 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: RoosterRedux

Most of the population of the US resides near the coasts, which happens to coincide with the “blue” population, and is also home to most of the manufacturing and military resources. If the liberal fascists currently running the government really wanted to put the screws to the “red” flyover country, they could do it pretty handily. The absolute last thing they want here is African style civil war, and the goal and ROE of the government
would be to crush any opposition by any means necessary. The US can never be allowed to fracture, because if it did, the atrocities and destruction to the western hemisphere would make china, russia, and africa seem trivial by comparison. If the US were to fracture, everything from the arctic circle to panama will be up for grabs, and nobody will be able to escape the destruction.


29 posted on 12/31/2013 9:24:23 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat
Most of the population of the US resides near the coasts, which happens to coincide with the “blue” population, and is also home to most of the manufacturing and military resources. If the liberal fascists currently running the government really wanted to put the screws to the “red” flyover country, they could do it pretty handily. The absolute last thing they want here is African style civil war, and the goal and ROE of the government would be to crush any opposition by any means necessary. The US can never be allowed to fracture, because if it did, the atrocities and destruction to the western hemisphere would make china, russia, and africa seem trivial by comparison. If the US were to fracture, everything from the arctic circle to panama will be up for grabs, and nobody will be able to escape the destruction.

Poppycock. What you are saying is maintain the status quo, go into the night quietly. Screw that.

30 posted on 12/31/2013 9:37:54 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m stuck here in a patch of red surrounded by blue.


31 posted on 12/31/2013 9:42:09 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The color switcheroo was intentionally pulled by John Chancellor & Peter Jennings during the 1980 presidential election. As it became obvious that Ronald Reagan was winning in a landslide, the liberal newsies made the majority states’ color red, turning the electoral map of the U.S. into a field of blood and reflecting the somber mood of Chancellor & Jennings, who being both dead are now even more somber than they were then.

Their `legacy’ survives, more’s the pity.


32 posted on 12/31/2013 9:43:47 AM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: JimRed

Joisy Ouch.

All you can do is stand your ground and keep fighting. If you can’t stand your ground, consider a state in transition over one that’s firmly red because we need the wins.


33 posted on 12/31/2013 9:46:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: elcid1970

They may have done it that long ago at ABC, but it wasn’t “officially” implemented until Election Night 2000. That gullible Republicans/Conservatives call themselves “Reds” today proves how ill-equipped our side is in fighting ideological battles.


34 posted on 12/31/2013 9:55:21 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: cripplecreek

“Democrats fight every battle and conservatives think they can pick and choose which battles to fight. Every battle we don’t fight is just ground ceded to the democrats.”

To humbly quote myself for a couple weeks ago, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3097458/posts

“In the public arena of so-called partisan politics, the Fascist Left advances on every front every day in every way, slowly metastasizing inside of every human institution, while Republicans and some conservatives insist, “We must choose our fights.” That is the mantra of a cadre that does not care to win, because all the fights you choose not to fight, you are choosing to lose. When you automatically cede victory to your opponent in a majority of the conflicts, you automatically cede victory in the long run, period.

That is why the Fascist Left is winning and will continue to win – they want to fight and win each and every conflict — and in the aggregate, we don’t.”


35 posted on 12/31/2013 9:56:32 AM PST by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
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To: central_va

Oh, the red country will definitely not go quietly into the night. Depending on how much damage occurs initially, we are either balkanized, and devolve into tribal feudal regimes, or we become a nation like china, or the soviet union, through overwhelming force. This scenario has played out through history time and time again, and it has always ended up in darkness and ruin. And by human nature, we’re no different.


36 posted on 12/31/2013 9:59:17 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: crusher

We should run to the sound of every battle.


37 posted on 12/31/2013 10:00:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Indeed


38 posted on 12/31/2013 10:01:27 AM PST by wardaddy (wifey instructed me today to grow chapter president beard back again....i wonder why?)
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To: Dr. Pritchett

If Texas seceeded, they should give everyone six months to leave, no questions asked. People from other states would be welcome but they would have no voting rights for five years as a way of preventing liberal activists from flooding in and trying to undo everything.


39 posted on 12/31/2013 10:02:04 AM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Do you remember when they first started coloring states? Dem states were red, and Repub states were blue.

10 - 15 years ago (someone will know....), they obviously saw that the color red being associated with the Dems was too close to the truth, and too revealing of their commie hearts - so the media changed it.

Anyone remember or can find out what year the colors changed?


40 posted on 12/31/2013 10:03:42 AM PST by Arlis
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To: Arlis

Post #34.


41 posted on 12/31/2013 10:08:43 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: elcid1970; fieldmarshaldj

It was switched each election for media maps once upon a national election

I thought the permanent shift to red for us and blue for them was later than 80

Its obvious they would never stand to be Red....like commies

So much propaganda in this land is our land....whoops. more agit prop right there btw

The permanent switch took place in 2000 BTW....before that it alternated

Pity....if a few notable GOP had been willing to fight it then

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states


42 posted on 12/31/2013 10:09:20 AM PST by wardaddy (wifey instructed me today to grow chapter president beard back again....i wonder why?)
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To: factoryrat
we are either balkanized, and devolve into tribal feudal regimes, or we become a nation like china, or the soviet union, through overwhelming force. This scenario has played out through history time and time again, and it has always ended up in darkness and ruin. And by human nature, we’re no different.

We can easily evolve into 50 separate countries, try to understand the original intent of the USC and the republic as founded. As a matter of fact each state has the power no to become a country thru secession. Some states can unite and form a Confederacy -again. It was done the first time in an orderly and well established referendum and can be done that way again. These blue staters don't have the cojones to "March to the Sea". These are not your GGGF Yankees.

43 posted on 12/31/2013 10:09:53 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Thanks! yes, now I remember it! I hadn’t read that far......and it was 10 - 15 years ago!


44 posted on 12/31/2013 10:11:13 AM PST by Arlis
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To: 3Fingas; fieldmarshaldj
Red is Communist/Fascist, it always has been and always will be. Time to stop going by the Orwellian color newspeak switcheroo.
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Thank you. I have been posting that on this forum forever.
We are true blue patriots, not commie red.

Good points.

Some with an obvious agenda encouraged the broader MSM to pervert the usage of the word “red”, in the context of politics. The corruption, which offends most clear thinking Americans tends to allow traditional reds that wish to do so, to hide in plain sight. Further it allows certain residents to avoid confronting the fact their beloved state has developed socialist tendencies.

Perhaps the way for us to reclaim the historical political meaning of “red” is for each of us to encourage those we know, including influential national writers and media personalities, to use the terms “socialist red states” and “true blue states”. For example, can there now be any doubt that NY is a “socialist red state”?

I propose “socialist” rather than “commie” because the left seemed successful earlier in dodging the latter label. With so many out of the closet socialists now active at the state level, it is doubtful they would be able to dodge the “socialist” label.

45 posted on 12/31/2013 10:31:12 AM PST by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." -from a guy who never had a real job and couldn't feed his family)
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To: frog in a pot

Problem is, we’re well past that. The Republican Party (or at least the establishment and leadership) is Socialist. They seek to manage, often gleefully so, the policies and initiatives of the Democrat Party. The Democrats ? They’re already clearly Communist-Totalitarian. All things run by the government, dictated by the government, with no dissent to be tolerated. Christianity is the enemy.


46 posted on 12/31/2013 11:09:36 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The sad part is that pre-Pete Wilson California was NOT blue.

Correct, and what changed that dynamic? It was the last immigration "reform" (IRCA)in 1986.

Now the Rinos want to do it again and perhaps make Texas blue along with several other states.

47 posted on 12/31/2013 11:48:30 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Actually, we in the Southern states think of `red state’ as referring to the red clay of Alabama, Georgia, & the Carolinas.

So many liberals are northeastern blueblood aristocrats that maybe blue could apply to them.

Conservatives do often have trouble with identification labels as the dominant media culture is the one doing the labeling & identifying, this is true.


48 posted on 12/31/2013 12:07:00 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

I’m in a Southern state, and “Red” has only ever meant one thing when it comes to politics (and it ain’t anything remotely resembling freedom).


49 posted on 12/31/2013 12:24:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: RoosterRedux

Red vs. Blue bump for later......


50 posted on 12/31/2013 1:04:28 PM PST by indthkr
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