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Is This China's New Stealth Bomber?
Foreign Policy ^ | December 30, 2013 | Dan Lamothe

Posted on 12/31/2013 12:23:36 PM PST by Seizethecarp

Photographs circulating online this week raise the prospect that the twin-engine Hongzha-6K may not be the only plane the Chinese are preparing to field. Grainy images show a B-2-like bomber taxiing down a runway on what it is purportedly Chinese soil. They were posted on the Chinese website Tiexue with speculation that it's yet another new advanced stealth bomber for the Beijing's rapidly-advancing military.

The post already has received interest abroad. Tim Robinson, the editor in chief of "Aerospace," the top publication for the Royal Aeronautical Society in London, posted the link on Twitter on Monday, questioning whether the photos had been doctored: Via SecretProjects forum - grainy pic of Chinese 'B-2' stealth bomber. Photoshop or another LO surprise from China?

It wouldn't be the first time that valuable military intelligence about China emerged online first. Chinese civilians blogging obsessively about the their country's military hardware has revealed secrets before, raising some to question whether the Chinese government actually tacitly endorses the practice by not immediately wiping them off the Internet.

(Excerpt) Read more at complex.foreignpolicy.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: stealthbomber

1 posted on 12/31/2013 12:23:36 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

It does look like a grainy pic of our own B-2...and might be?


2 posted on 12/31/2013 12:24:51 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Have the Chinese named it for Bill Clinton?


3 posted on 12/31/2013 12:25:45 PM PST by stboz
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To: stboz

Code named “Bent one”


4 posted on 12/31/2013 12:27:35 PM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: Seizethecarp

I dunno. Is it? Or it could be a B-17. Or an L10-11. Or a pinata.

5 posted on 12/31/2013 12:31:31 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Seizethecarp
'"This stealth bomber is my New Year's president, I hope all of you military fans like it," wrote the individual who posted the photos.'

Engrish fans too.

6 posted on 12/31/2013 12:32:49 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: stboz

They certainly got their money’s worth from that SOB


7 posted on 12/31/2013 12:33:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: al baby; Seizethecarp
Have the Chinese named it for Bill Clinton?

Code named “Bent one”

I think you mean their aircraft carrier:


8 posted on 12/31/2013 12:34:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003
"I think you mean their aircraft carrier"

I thought that is what he called Monica.

9 posted on 12/31/2013 12:36:58 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: Seizethecarp

I’m concerned about buying vehicles with limited capability like the F-35. It’s not as fast or maneuverable as the F-16 and it has a shorter range and is all-around less capable. It’s only saving grace may be short-lived; stealth. The F-117 was retired because technology caught up with it. (Due to Carter announcing it 10 years before it was deployed. That gave the Russians and Chinese a head start.) As Spock said, “Military secrets are the most fleeting.”

Overcoming stealth is dependent on computing power, which is probably doubling every year. You network your radars (much like the weatherman on TV who races you across the state in 3-D). You see, the vehicles do reflect. But they don’t reflect straight at the sending radar. But other antennas networked into the system can see pulses put out from other radars. Together they draw a picture of where your slow, less capable vehicle is and where it’s heading.

I suspect that “stealth” is not the end all and be-all we think it is. Just having a capable fast and maneuverable plane with good range and payload may end up being much more important.


10 posted on 12/31/2013 12:39:48 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: al baby

Really outta be the “Birr Krintong.”


11 posted on 12/31/2013 12:39:49 PM PST by stboz
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To: SparkyBass

La Humidora


12 posted on 12/31/2013 12:41:28 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Seizethecarp
I think someone is playing a hoax. This looks like a production still from an old Honda commercial I saw back in 1988. They constructed a steel replica of what they thought the B-2 would look like. Someone probably made it "grainy" via photoshop to start the rumors. You can see the original Honda commercial here:

Honda "Stealth Bomber" commercial from 1988


13 posted on 12/31/2013 12:43:02 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: Seizethecarp

The Clintoons had Chinagate...
maybe...

The Obamas got Obama-manholecover..
Cause the White House is truly a Sewer..


14 posted on 12/31/2013 12:43:57 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: freedumb2003

Who it even has a sloped Deck


15 posted on 12/31/2013 12:45:11 PM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: freedumb2003

I vote pinata after being squished by a particularly corpulent mexican.


16 posted on 12/31/2013 12:56:37 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Seizethecarp

No doubt in my mind they stole everything they needed from Defense Contractors.

What fools the Gubment is. They rigged all these back doors into routers and such. About all we can do is re-rip off our own secrets.


17 posted on 12/31/2013 1:00:16 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: freedumb2003

Looks like a flying wok.


18 posted on 12/31/2013 1:03:27 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: freedumb2003

Looks like one of my maternal grandmothers pancakes with a single set of eyes...which is good, hers always had too many eyes...


19 posted on 12/31/2013 1:03:47 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: Gen.Blather

That’s why I say more f-15s heh.


20 posted on 12/31/2013 1:05:45 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Seizethecarp

I agree, and that looks like Barksdale AFB...


21 posted on 12/31/2013 1:09:09 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Bringing back the Viking Kitties!!! May the Zot be with you!)
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To: freedumb2003
Didn't we lose a B-2 or F-117 in the Balkans, years ago? From the crash pic, it doesn't look like there's much to reverse-eningeer. Just wondering...


22 posted on 12/31/2013 1:13:30 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

f-117. read something recently, maybe here, about the serbian gunner who shot it down. IIRC he recognized the intermittant blips, figured out the path and shot into that are.
my 2 cents, stealth is not cost effective. would rather have 3 F-15s for 1 F-35.


23 posted on 12/31/2013 1:20:25 PM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Seizethecarp

If I remember correctly, a Chinese immigrant PhD - who had worked on the B2 - was arrested a few years back as he prepared to return to China. I believe he was taken into custody in Hawaii.


24 posted on 12/31/2013 1:26:43 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Stealth going forward will be how capable is your electronic warfare system? The ability like the B-1, and Growlers have to locate and fry enemy radar, and systems.


25 posted on 12/31/2013 1:36:35 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Seizethecarp

There are a lot of Chinese in defense design and only more coming. Look at who have the top math scores. That’s not to say that every Chinese person is a suspect, but with the tiny amount of Americans who understand Chinese, it’s rather easy to slide spies in, I imagine.


26 posted on 12/31/2013 1:36:42 PM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: Gen.Blather

I agree wholeheartedly, “stealth” is not the end-all and be-all. It is way overhyped. I would imagine the Russians and the Chinese have been developing anti-stealth fixes for a long time.


27 posted on 12/31/2013 1:39:17 PM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Go to the link and hit “translate.” The “translated” comments are hilarious ...


28 posted on 12/31/2013 1:43:26 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: bravo whiskey

Not having any military background, I had to look-up those models, and there are so many variants/costs involved, I don’t have a cost comparison basis. Sounds like you have first-hand experience with them, so I’ll go with your call on that point.


29 posted on 12/31/2013 1:47:34 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Dartman

Unfortunately, in order to sell a new system, its proponents have to WAY oversell it. The littoral combat ships can (they say) perform every mission the special purpose ships have. A fighter must also be a bomber and perform every mission the older planes do. The salesmen (and military officers) promise that we can do away with all the older planes (or ships) and save bushels of money. But the new systems are often in many ways less capable than the systems they replace. We have to be careful not to buy our own hype. It’s often deadly to the poor sap who operates the new system.


30 posted on 12/31/2013 2:27:18 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Seizethecarp

Looks like another "Concorde-ski" to me.

31 posted on 12/31/2013 2:55:30 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: EveningStar; Paleo Conservative

Av list ping.


32 posted on 12/31/2013 3:19:08 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: freedumb2003
Listen, if you really want to know about CHICOM military tech, go to Wal-Mart and buy it.

BTW, that aircraft carrier looks shorter than a Sea-Ray 50.

33 posted on 12/31/2013 3:22:51 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (OK, Obama be bad. Now where's OUR Program, Plan, and Leader?)
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To: Steely Tom
I believe he was taken into custody in Hawaii.

No Tom, that was Barack Obama. The Chinaman also had a Honolulu "Home Birth" BC, though.

34 posted on 12/31/2013 3:26:03 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (OK, Obama be bad. Now where's OUR Program, Plan, and Leader?)
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To: Gen.Blather

Agreed. My own personal opinion is, the F4 Phantom II was the last “all purpose’ combat aircraft. Specialty aircraft in some cases cannot be replaced by all purpose units (witness the A-10).


35 posted on 12/31/2013 4:36:27 PM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: freedumb2003

The picture looks like Plant 42 in Palmdale, CA when they first rolled out the B-2 bombers.


36 posted on 01/01/2014 1:38:45 AM PST by Victoria_R (Believers in VERY small government: Count Mountjoy/Benter in 2012!!!)
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