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Jahi McMath: Terri Schiavo group secretly leading transfer efforts
Contra Costa Times ^ | 31 Dec 13 | Matthias Gafni

Posted on 01/01/2014 8:51:34 AM PST by Drew68

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To: Lx

Her chest only rises and falls because a ventilator is pumping air into it. Taken off the ventilator she might go on breathing a little longer or stop right away. But as a health care professional, I feel being kept on life support after all meaningful brain function has stopped is a terrible situation, not one I would choose for my family.. Its not fair to the family, the folks taking care of her or those of us paying for it.


51 posted on 01/01/2014 12:09:29 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Drango

Torture a corpse?

You don’t make any sense.

What was your opinion on Terry Schiavo?


52 posted on 01/01/2014 12:10:02 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Lx
The news report I saw said the pediatrician said that she was not brain dead. If he hasn't examined her, what is he basing his opinion on?

Dr. Paul A. Byrne is, um, an interesting fellow. I'll leave it at that.

53 posted on 01/01/2014 12:10:09 PM PST by Drew68
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To: longfellowsmuse

Movement does not mean purposeful movement. There are a multitude of reflexes that can cause movement with no brain involvement.


54 posted on 01/01/2014 12:12:04 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Drew68
I just can't agree with you. With Terri Schiavo, her birth family was willing to care for her when her ex-husband was not. They should have that right to step in. With this most recent case, it should ALWAYS be the parents option to take their child home, regardless what pronouncements have been made.

In my mind, the issue is that the government is not the parent, and the parent gets to choose. I could see the hospital refusing medical care or the insurance company refusing to cover something, but that isn't the right to keep the child incarcerated.

This case stinks. The girl ended up in this state after tonsil surgery. How do I know the hospital and insurance company aren't protecting their financial interests?

55 posted on 01/01/2014 12:14:17 PM PST by grania
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To: eyedigress

Why you think abortion is involved is ridiculous. Grow-up


What a childish response.


56 posted on 01/01/2014 12:18:08 PM PST by RginTN
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To: ifinnegan

Why conflate this with Terry Schiavo? McMath is brain dead.


57 posted on 01/01/2014 12:19:27 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: RginTN

Alright, I’ll entertain.

Explain where abortion is an issue here?


58 posted on 01/01/2014 12:19:54 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: grania
With this most recent case, it should ALWAYS be the parents option to take their child home, regardless what pronouncements have been made.

Again, the parents aren't fighting to take her home. They're fighting for her to continue receiving hospital care.

59 posted on 01/01/2014 12:23:21 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drango

Nice evasion.

Dead people can’t be tortured, your powers of analysis and understanding have no credibility.

Why so strident?


60 posted on 01/01/2014 12:24:42 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: goodwithagun

Unborn children have brain activity, this child does not. Her brain is in the process of decomposing, and it will soon liquify and drain out of her nose. Horrific but true. Your example is pathetic at best.


Doctors don’t agree with you which is why women can have abortions for any reason. Its pathetic to ignore the similarity between abortion and this case.

Have you examined this child to make your diagnosis? No? Then I’ll ignore your conclusions.


61 posted on 01/01/2014 12:25:51 PM PST by RginTN
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To: eyedigress

” Btw, unborn children aren’t considered alive as well...abortion must ok then too right?”

My point, life is precious from the unborn to the sick patient. If the option is to keep a seriously ill patient alive one does.


62 posted on 01/01/2014 12:32:09 PM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN

Brain dead is a bit different than seriously ill.

Abortion is murder.

Get real.


63 posted on 01/01/2014 12:37:32 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Mom MD

I’ve had to make that decision and it’s amazing how long someone keeps breathing after the ventilator is removed but it is obvious when the person dies. That spark of life has left and now you’re only looking at a dead body and it happens in the blink of an eye.

It’s not an experience you ever want to go through.

That spark of life is one of God’s greatest creations.


64 posted on 01/01/2014 1:00:07 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: dsc

Its rare that i disagree with the majority of FRiends but they declare so many “brain dead” that i dont trust anyone anymore.
i will always side with life when there is any doubt. none of us know anything other then alot of people that may have caused her calamity are saying she is brain dead.
btw terry was NOT brain dead.


65 posted on 01/01/2014 1:11:31 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Sioux-san

I don’t know that, that is why I formed the rules issue as a question. What I do know, based on several close family members in the medical profession, is that patients’ families are their worst enemies. My mother-in-law was working the rehab floor when a gastric bypass patient was brought McDonalds by his mom. They were caught, but the mom kept the bag in her purse and was sneeking him bites. My mother-in-law discovered it by the smell.


66 posted on 01/01/2014 1:18:28 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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“A tonsillectomy to relieve sleep apnea?”

Yes. My son (who unlike this poor soul is very thin) snores so badly so I did some quick Internet research on childhood sleep apnea. As it turns out, tonsil and adenoid removal is the first protocol. I was shocked that a c-pap mask was step number two if the surgery fails to cure the problem. Why would docs risk anesthetize somebody so small (increased risks) and then cut things out of them?

67 posted on 01/01/2014 1:23:15 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

I hear you, and know what you say about family members’ potential to be the patient’s worst nightmare. That’s why hospital staff have to man-up and enforce rules, especially those in ICU. Lifestyle/Behavior have always accounted for most of our health troubles. UK social workers are actually taking fat kids out of their home and putting them into foster care due to the pathological behavior of their parents. Are you in favor of that for children in the USA? We all gotta die from something, sooner or later. Terrible that it was this child, but where does the Nanny State rank in our freedom to be self-destructive?


68 posted on 01/01/2014 1:24:10 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: RginTN

“Doctors don’t agree with you which is why women can have abortions for any reason. Its pathetic to ignore the similarity between abortion and this case.”

Ummm, yes doctors do. It’s actually a medical fact. Also brain activity has nothing to do with infanticide. It is pathetic that you keep trying to push the similarity.

“Have you examined this child to make your diagnosis? No? Then I’ll ignore your conclusions.”

Have you examined this child to make your diagnosis? No? Then I will also ignore your conclusion.


69 posted on 01/01/2014 1:28:39 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Sioux-san
Oh I definitely see what you are getting at. Hospitals can have a tough job reinforcing things; for example, my brother’s in-laws are ignorant ***holes and she cussed out an ER doc when the doc suggested that her dietary habits cause most of her problems. I couldn't deal with that. I probably would have lost my job due to my response to her. Plus there are the gibsmedats that use the ER as their personal medical concierge.
There is indeed a fine line, which made much thinner by socialized medicine. For example, if a child is obese should he be taken from his parents because I don't want to pay for the kid's knee replacements and insulin injections? It's a scary scenario of parental rights vs. parents relying on the state (via our tax dollars) to raise their kids.
70 posted on 01/01/2014 1:36:30 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

That’s why I am 100% against the govt. & employers being the “intermediary” for our routine personal medical insurance. Let us all get our insurance based on our own risk factors and let that personal responsibility start rising or suffer the consequences. Insurance is not supposed to cover every little ache & pain, but that’s what it has devolved into - I also am in favor of govt.-funded clinics for those who cannot afford insurance. Providers can work off their loans at these clinics. For those who have a costly disease that needs a lot of medical intervention, there should be special services for those people once they have exhausted their private insurance.

BTW, I know I am overweight at my tender age of 66, but BP is normal, Blood sugar and cholesterol are fine, my diet is pretty healthy, but not much exercise due to my own attitude. Weight/BMI alone should not be the benchmark, just one factor in many. Heredity/Genes also has an impact. I know many people who would be considered in shape with hereditary heart problems and bad joints from excessive exercise. Never run unless someone is chasing you, I always say. ;o)


71 posted on 01/01/2014 2:11:02 PM PST by Sioux-san
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