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Access to Health Care May Increase ER Visits, Study Suggests
New York Times ^ | January 2, 2014 | SABRINA TAVERNISE

Posted on 01/02/2014 12:28:53 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Supporters of President Obama’s health care law had predicted that expanding insurance coverage for the poor would reduce costly emergency room visits as people sought care from primary care doctors. But a rigorous new study conducted in Oregon has flipped that assumption on its head, finding that the newly insured actually went to the emergency room more often.

The study, published in the journal Science, compared thousands of low-income people in the Portland area who were randomly selected in a 2008 lottery to get Medicaid coverage with people who entered the lottery but remained uninsured. Those who gained coverage made 40 percent more visits to the emergency room than their uninsured counterparts. The pattern was so strong that it held true across most demographic groups, times of day, and types of visits, including for conditions that were treatable in primary care settings.

The finding casts doubt on the hope that expanded insurance coverage will help rein in rising emergency room costs just as more than two million people are gaining coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; aca; emergencyroom; ervisits; healthcare; liberalagenda; medicaid; obamacare; welfareabuse; zerocare

1 posted on 01/02/2014 12:28:54 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That TITLE!

I am sure she meant ‘Lack of’ Health Care, but The Times can’t take the failure of this Zelig of a president whom they propped up and continue to prop up


2 posted on 01/02/2014 12:33:06 PM PST by stanne
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To: All

Hopefully you’ll have a few minutes to read this entire article.


3 posted on 01/02/2014 12:34:20 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Paging Captain Obvious. That said, the percentage is worth researching, though the trajectory should be obvious.


4 posted on 01/02/2014 12:35:17 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
One of the leading Republican opponents to Democratic senator Kay Hagan of North Carolina has a new ad in which he promises to "clean up" the mess in Washington that she's "enabled."
5 posted on 01/02/2014 12:37:23 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Since ObamaCare means less access to doctors in reality of course there will be more ER cases.


6 posted on 01/02/2014 12:37:42 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Was there ever any doubt! NOW the ER will be paid for all middle class
higher premiums and deductibles! Whole healthcare system turned on it’s
head for EVERYONE to achieve NOTHING! ALL ABOUT
GOVERNMENT CONTROL! We can not fix stupid!


7 posted on 01/02/2014 12:37:51 PM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: stanne

They mean FREE GOVERNMENT health care. Everyone has access to health care.


8 posted on 01/02/2014 12:42:17 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Because ERs must see you the day you show up. Doctors make you wait for days or weeks for an appointment.


9 posted on 01/02/2014 12:44:41 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: GeronL
Since ObamaCare means less access to doctors of course there will be more ER cases

I'd think so. If someone is actually sick, doctors won't have appointments available right away, so that will result in an ER visit.

What they'll find is that access to healthcare doesn't make sick people or those with bad habits healthier, it makes them more medicated. JMHO

10 posted on 01/02/2014 12:47:27 PM PST by grania
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To: Hieronymus

Captain Obvious, the world’s busiest superhero in this day and age.


11 posted on 01/02/2014 12:48:56 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kit cat

The comments have started coming in on this NYT’s piece.

A bigger bunch of excuses I’ve never seen.


12 posted on 01/02/2014 12:53:44 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Olog-hai
“Captain Obvious, the world’s busiest superhero in this day and age”

Yep, was listening to Conservative talk radio on the way home from shopping just now. The discussion being how many people whom had Ins. two days ago, now don't. And immediately I thought about Emergency Rooms filling up even more than usual. I'm sure the Obunga regime is already figuring out how to skew the Emergency Room numbers for 2014.

13 posted on 01/02/2014 12:54:56 PM PST by DAC21
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Face it, many people do not understand health insurance and how it works. They pay no attention to the rules. They will do what they always have done and the only thing they are used to. That would be showing up at the emergency room for a cold or a cough. They will figure their medicaid or new health insurance will pay the whole thing.

When I was an employer, there were employees who had great insurance but had no idea how to use it. You could sit down and explain it to them and it would go in one ear and out the other. They did what I was saying in the first paragraph of this post.

By the way, these are the same people who think an ambulance ride is totally free and get pissed off if there is any fee.


14 posted on 01/02/2014 12:55:07 PM PST by dforest
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To: stanne

Oregon’s medicaid had a co-pay for doctor visits, but not for emergency care.

So get the baby’s ear infection treated for “free” at the E room or pay a $20 co-pay at the doctors.

It doesn’t require much brain capacity to realize that the copay for emergency care should be at least double the standard co-pay.


15 posted on 01/02/2014 12:55:18 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Those with health insurance won’t go to the ER more, but the leeches on medicaid will.

The difference is they pay zero in co-pays no matter where they go.


16 posted on 01/02/2014 12:59:47 PM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: Valpal1

The federal EMTALA law prohibits hospitals from charging for ER care if one’s life is in danger. One cannot be denied treatment simply due to inability to pay.


17 posted on 01/02/2014 1:00:29 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dforest

It would seem that Obama’s experiment with our health care system to insure the uninsured [because he cares and knows better than anyone else] has flopped horribly.

The only thing that has changed is that millions of people (with more on the way) who had health insurance they could afford, doctors they wanted and hospitals they needed, don’t have that any more .


18 posted on 01/02/2014 1:01:27 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

These people will all go to the neighborhood emergency care units and ruin that. There are normally only 2 or 3 people....not like the 100 you find in the emergency room.


19 posted on 01/02/2014 1:02:00 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: goldstategop

The are NOT prohibited from charging for E care. Only from denying care based on ability to pay.

And non emergency care isn’t covered. They can screen and turn them away, but the don’t because they can bill medicaid emergency rates for an ear exam, baby tylenol and amoxycillin.

Or, you have the flu, drink gaterade, take ibuprofen and sleep a lot... next!


20 posted on 01/02/2014 1:17:09 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Lots of people in the ER right now who don't belong there. Anecdotally....

Not too long ago, WBill Jr. fell and put a good-sized gouge in his head. Nothing life threatening, but it was messy and definitely needed stitches. Since the only Urgent Care in the area was closed, off to the ER we went.

The doc (actually, a nurse and a PA) did good work. Very little scarring, which isn't all that critical when it comes to boys, anyway.

However, in the several hours I spent in the ER, I paid attention to who all was there. IMO, my kid was the only one who belonged - the only "emergency" involving the ABC's (airway,breathing, circulation) - and we were only there because the ER was the only local option.

There were a couple of dozen people there. Lots and lots of broken English being spoken; made me wonder if I was covering their visits, too. Most of the patients were suffering from an array of earaches, sore throats, and sniffles. The older lady next to me was complaining of heart pains..."Hmmm", I thought, "Someone who OUGHT to be here.......".

The doc then asked how long she'd been having them. "Three days." Nevermind.

21 posted on 01/02/2014 1:21:33 PM PST by wbill
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So the government can import doctors form Cuba to work in the ER on non-emergent cases. As long as the patient is not critical, the ER can pass the buck. The diagnosis and treatment of chronic disease is not a part of emergency care.
They will get the illusion of good care and don’t forget the vaccines.


22 posted on 01/02/2014 1:25:02 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: grumpygresh

Or they can double the co-pay for non emergency care received in an emergency unit and take it out of their EIC tax refund at the end of the year if left unpaid.


23 posted on 01/02/2014 1:30:11 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That just about sums it up. I will say that he has decimated and destroyed the happiness of the hard working middle class.

But that has always been the plan, I guess. Have you noticed that those who are paying the price are hard working families, seniors like my parents, and military? The milennials kind of deserve the misery that they voted for.

The hits keep on coming.

This has to be stopped somehow.


24 posted on 01/02/2014 1:34:51 PM PST by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Obama’s view is that a majority of Americans don't deserve the world's best health care. So the goal is to disrupt, underfund and destabilize the U.S. medical sector. After it collapses it can be replaced with a Third World model.
25 posted on 01/02/2014 1:36:44 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What "access"?

My policy got cancelled by His Majesty and I don't plan on replacing it.

If the penalties get too tough, I'll just quit filing tax returns.

Screw 'em.

26 posted on 01/02/2014 1:37:03 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_1Pw1xm9U


27 posted on 01/02/2014 2:32:02 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Hieronymus

Just look at Canada’s hospital rooms. They’re packed, and heaven forbid if you have something seriously wrong with you, you can die waiting.


28 posted on 01/02/2014 2:55:16 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Kit cat

I believe hospitals will be turning people away if they can’t pay their deductibles. When people didn’t have insurance hospitals were required to treat everyone. I’m betting they don’t think that’s the case now.

There’s already a report of an ER in VA turning people away who couldn’t prove they had insurace.


29 posted on 01/02/2014 3:41:06 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Obamacare is increasing enrollment in Medicaid. Doctors are refusing to see more Medicaid patients for lack of adequate reimbursement.

Where else can a Medicaid patient go but to the ER if no doctors will see him?

Too, more insured people means more people going to the doctor, yet the number of doctors is declining. Again, sick people will have no other choice but the ER.

30 posted on 01/02/2014 4:06:07 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The New York Times reputation as a lying bunch of lying liars is now such, that if you see the date on their masthead, go compare it to your calendar.


31 posted on 01/02/2014 4:56:50 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Bulwyf

It depends where you are. In our small town, I can’t complain.


32 posted on 01/02/2014 6:12:48 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Y’think? Moron.


33 posted on 01/02/2014 6:33:40 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Lizavetta
“Because ERs must see you the day you show up. Doctors make you wait for days or weeks for an appointment.”

That's exactly right. The idea that preventative medicine will substantially reduce ER visits is incorrect, as would be evident to most who actually practice medicine, as opposed to the policy wonks that formulated Obamacare. The irony is that ERs already treat the uninsured when they present with a real medical emergency.

34 posted on 01/02/2014 6:41:10 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is what my last three ER visits were like and for the same medical condition.

April 2010 - 1st trip- I had started getting sick on Wednesday and my sister took me to the ER Saturday night. I sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before going to a room. The tech came in and said he knew what that is (cellulitis) and after entering some info in he asked what room I liked. He knew I should have been admitted to the hospital at that point. Three hours later the doctor came in, spent less than five minutes in there and didn’t really bother to look at me or even ask questions. Got sent home with a prescription for an antibiotic and a painkiller. Oh yeah the doctor gave me a print out that said at what point going into the hospital was likely. I was already past that point.

Thursday afternoon my mom says she is taking me back to the ER. It was about 1 when we got there and I was in a hospital bed by 5. Spent 1 week in there and it should have been a few more days. Took me months to heal enough that I no longer had an open wound. My leg is still messed up and takes forever to heal any wounds. A cat scratch took over 9 months. I fell in March of 2012 and you can still tell where the cuts were.

The two ER trips , the doctors, the tests, the hospital stay itself and the wound care nurse I had to go to a few times after I got out cost over 30K. The doctor in the hospital that came in to see me had never seen anything like my case. He took pics on his phone and sent to a friend in the CDC. I was actually in isolation until they could run tests.
Look up cellulitis pictures and the worst ones you find will probably look like my leg. I won’t even get into what the poor wound care nurse had to deal with. She had never seen anything like it before either. She took pics but said she wished she had taken some before she started to work. I think the young girl helping her actually gagged. lol

October 2010 - again cellulitis. Happened on a Sunday. My mom took me to the ER that night, got an IV antibiotic, a prescription for more and the name of a doctor, then sent home. Called and got an appointment Monday and was in there just long enough for them to take my temp and ask a few questions before sending me to the hospital. I was there 2 weeks. I never saw a bill but would guess it was at least 50K.

The difference? I applied for and got Medicaid (and food stamps) in June. Since that second hospital visit I have probably had two more health problems that I could have gone to the ER but I didn’t. I plan to avoid the ER if I can. There are sick and crazy people in those waiting rooms. I don’t want to pick up other people’s germs. I saw people coughing and sneezing with no attempt to cover and then touching all surfaces. Even sick as hell I was grossed out.

I go to my doctors on a regular basis but I don’t go for every little cold. I am trying to get my medical conditions treated and under control so I can live a some what normal life.


35 posted on 01/02/2014 8:59:43 PM PST by CARDINALRULES (Tough times never last -Tough people do. DK57 -- 6-22-02)
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To: wbill
people come to the ER for the stupidest reasons.....oh, you've got diarrhea?...for how long?...4-5 yrs....they just "couldn't take it anymore"....

and then there those who just want narcotics....they know exactly what to say....they know exactly what to say they're "allergic" to....mostly all over the counter meds like aleve, motrin etc...none of that stuff for them nosireee....and, they'd prefer dilaudid, and make it quick....and give them a dose of phenergan iv and then bendadryl iv because all three give them some kind of high.....

36 posted on 01/02/2014 10:49:53 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: AppyPappy

No. As this trend continues, ER.visits, triaged for urgency, will be days long for things like ear infections.

And ERs will run out of funding. It is not free health care. Someone is paying or giving free services, and that will not continue for too long

Whoever inherits this mess will either stop printing Monopoly money and fix the problem or they’ll continue throwing government ( political) money at it, devaluing all of it

But access to health care requires doctors Anyone reporting on the collapse of enrollment index schools?


37 posted on 01/03/2014 6:10:38 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Actually, Medicaid will pay something as opposed to what ER’s normally get from the deadbeat class. I’ve worked in an ER. They delay treatment for non-ER cases unless they arrive in an ambulance.

BTW ambulance rides are free for Medicaid patients.


38 posted on 01/03/2014 6:14:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

Ambulance rides are not free. Somebody is paying about $1G. If its Medicaid, then its the taxpayer.

EMS staffers are not offering free service They get paid. The idea that government funded care is free is what got us into this mess. I had to pay $100 out of pocket yesterday for eczema medication

Why is that? Medical equipment, services, medication and testing costs have soared over the last 40 years as people have pretended government money grows on trees

When people figure out they’ll get treated past triage by rising in an ambulance the way the New Yorkers did about 40 years ago, they’ll take that route, much like twice as many signed up for Medicaid than they did obamacare

But none of it is free. And the system will crash or some foreign entity will call our bluff on the value of out tree money and crash it first


39 posted on 01/03/2014 6:38:12 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Trust me. For a Medicaid person, it is free. Who pays for it is irrelevant to them.


40 posted on 01/03/2014 6:50:20 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

It won’t be so after it crashes under its own weight. Trust me


41 posted on 01/03/2014 6:57:04 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Nah, the Democrats will just keep flinging money at it. They have an endless supply of our money to spend


42 posted on 01/03/2014 6:59:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Access to Health Care May Increase ER Visits, Study Suggests

Paging Captain Obvious, please pick up the white courtesy phone . . .

43 posted on 01/03/2014 7:00:32 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m just recalling all the reasons my wise liberal FB friends gave over the past 8 yrs as to why this was so necessary.
1. Everyone will be covered. (Not true)
2. Costs will decrease (not true)
3. Quality of care will improve (not true)
4. Better access to clinics mean fewer trips to the ER. (Not true)


44 posted on 01/03/2014 7:03:08 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: AppyPappy

No. They don’t have an endless supply of money.

Fat happy foolish Americans think they do, but that’s false. A false assumption that comes from lazy parenting

As the govt, and the uneducated and economically foolish president print it, it decreases in value. It becomes a sovereignty and national security issue.


45 posted on 01/03/2014 7:06:13 AM PST by stanne
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To: wbill

In college, I had to go to the ER to pick up a few roommates up who had driven with a friend who injured their leg. While waiting I remember listening to a Hispanic women complain that the told her to go to the drug store to get some OTC cold medicine, for a cold that started the prior day.


46 posted on 01/03/2014 6:28:36 PM PST by matt04
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