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Obamacare Confusion Reigns as Frustrated Patients Walk Out of Hospitals Without Treatment
The U.K. Daily Mail ^ | Thursday, January 2, 2014 | David Martosko

Posted on 01/02/2014 3:06:08 PM PST by kristinn

Hospital staff in Northern Virginia are turning away sick people on a frigid Thursday morning because they can't determine whether their Obamacare insurance plans are in effect.

Patients in a close-in DC suburb who think they've signed up for new insurance plans are struggling to show their December enrollments are in force, and health care administrators aren't taking their word for it.

In place of quick service and painless billing, these Virginians are now facing the threat of sticker-shock that comes with bills they can't afford.

'They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!' a coughing Maria Galvez told MailOnline outside the Inova Healthplex facility in the town of Springfield.

She was leaving the building without getting a needed chest x-ray.

'The people in there told me that since I didn't have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,' Galvez said, her young daughter in tow. 'It's not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.'

The x-ray's cost, she was told, would likely be more than $500.

Galvez said she enrolled in a Carefirst Blue Cross bronze plan at a cost of about $450 per month through healthcare.gov, three days before Christmas.

'No one has sent me a bill,' she said.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius testified in a December 11 congressional hearing that the federal government can't say how many new enrollees have written checks for their first month's premiums.

'Some may have paid, some may have not,' she conceded.

It's unlikely that a valid insurance card would have changed Galvez' fortunes, however.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 01/02/2014 3:06:09 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

oops!

“Did I do that?”


2 posted on 01/02/2014 3:06:56 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: kristinn

an xray - $500?

boy philiipines/thailand basic medicine looks a lot better every day.


3 posted on 01/02/2014 3:10:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kristinn

chances are she’d be paying the full cost of that x-ray anyway, given obamacare plan deductibles are HUGE and you have to pay all of that first before the plans pay anything.


4 posted on 01/02/2014 3:11:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kristinn

What did she think a $4500 dollar meant? Maybe, that the us taxpayers would be picking up the first 4500, too?


5 posted on 01/02/2014 3:11:35 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: PATRIOT1876

No worries Barak Hussein will sort it out. I am told Hussein is very clever and works very hard for the American people.


6 posted on 01/02/2014 3:11:56 PM PST by Christian1
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To: kristinn

Noooooooooooooooo!

7 posted on 01/02/2014 3:11:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: kristinn

I be here for that free B-Rock O’Breezy health care chit.


8 posted on 01/02/2014 3:12:18 PM PST by Autonomous User (Pain Fades. Chicks Dig Scars. Glory, lasts forever.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

If she voted for LIBs/DIMs, Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha.


9 posted on 01/02/2014 3:13:32 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Christian1
No worries Barak Hussein will sort it out. I am told Hussein is very clever and works very hard for the American people.

Here he is now doing that:


10 posted on 01/02/2014 3:13:33 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: kristinn

Hmmm. This is the ER my daughter works in. I’ll have to ask her about it.


11 posted on 01/02/2014 3:13:42 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: kristinn

We haven’t received our insurance cards, either. They did send a letter, stating we are enrolled, but who knows if the hospital would accept that.


12 posted on 01/02/2014 3:14:12 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: kristinn
The x-ray's cost, she was told, would likely be more than $500.

That's what it costs when you use the emergency room for your primary care. It would be no more than $100 if done at a doctor's office.

13 posted on 01/02/2014 3:14:33 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: kristinn

See what happens - when people who know nothing about one-sixth of an economy - monkey around with it?


14 posted on 01/02/2014 3:14:37 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: kristinn

You wanted it, you got it....suffer for being stupid


15 posted on 01/02/2014 3:15:18 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: kristinn

Yup. And a whole bunch of really stupid people are soon going to learn that Obama’s “free shit” ain’t exactly free.


16 posted on 01/02/2014 3:15:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: kristinn
It's unlikely that a valid insurance card would have changed Galvez' fortunes, however.
True. The deductibles on even the cheapest ObamaCare policies is such that pretty much assured that a $500 charge is going to be out-of-pocket, even if you are covered.
17 posted on 01/02/2014 3:15:39 PM PST by jdege
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To: Christian1

*No worries Barak Hussein will sort it out. I am told Hussein is very clever and works very hard for the American people.* Yes, he only has the interests of the People at heart, like the dear leader of North Korea... ...or Caligula ...or Ceaușescu


18 posted on 01/02/2014 3:17:02 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: kristinn

How’s that Hopenchange workin out for ya?


19 posted on 01/02/2014 3:17:13 PM PST by wny
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To: Secret Agent Man

Further down in the article it actually states that the plan she signed up for has a $5k deductible per person. The idiot would have had to pay for the xray anyway.


20 posted on 01/02/2014 3:18:00 PM PST by sheana
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To: kristinn
This was soooo predictable (and was predicted on this forum).

Next prediction is that our Dear Leader will issue another decree, er, regulation, requiring the hospital to treat at its own financial risk if it turns out the alleged Obamacare signer-upper didn't actually sign up. And/or, if they thought they signed up but didn't pay the premium, the insurance company will be forced to cover anyway.

21 posted on 01/02/2014 3:18:27 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: kristinn

The morning of their discontent arrives for the LIV’s!


22 posted on 01/02/2014 3:18:44 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: kristinn

Didn’t On High issue an edict that forces hospitals to take patients and trust the insurance companies to pay up later?

On High needs to come down off Olympus and fix this Obamacrap.


23 posted on 01/02/2014 3:19:27 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Secret Agent Man
From the article at link...

It's unlikely that a valid insurance card would have changed Galvez' fortunes, however.

Her Carefirst plan, identified on the Obamacare website as BlueChoice Plus Bronze, carries a $5,500 per-person deductible for 2014 – an amount she would have to pay out-of-pocket before her coverage would apply to medical expenses.

The Inova radiology department wouldn't speak with MailOnline, and Carefirst did not respond to a request for comment.

And...

GALLUP: MOST AMERICANS HAVE OBAMACARE HORROR STORIES

Fifty-nine percent of Americans told Gallup pollsters that they have had negative experiences with the Affordable Care Act, according to the public opinion giant's latest survey.

Just 39 per cent said their experiences were positive.

Only 7 per cent called their Obamacare journeys 'very positive,' but 29 per cent said their interaction with the new system has been 'very negative.'

Gallup interviewed 1,500 uninsured Americans in December, 450 of whom said they had visited health insurance exchange websites.

As dismal as those numbers are, they represent a slight improvement: In November, Gallup found that 63 per cent of uninsured Americans had negative experiences with the president's new health care overhaul.

The hits just keep on coming!

24 posted on 01/02/2014 3:19:37 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: sheana
The idiot would have had to pay for the xray anyway.

But it would likely be at a negotiated rate -- possibly much lower.

25 posted on 01/02/2014 3:19:40 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: kristinn

Welcome to the Soros and Obama orchestrated New World Order where you are a number, not a person. Kind of ironic that all the me, me, me morons that put him in office will no longer receive any the attention they think they deserve, don’t ya think?


26 posted on 01/02/2014 3:19:47 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: kristinn

It shouldn’t be the end of the world if you pay, and then your insurance company reimburses you.

Here, though, there’s a second problem in addition to the fact that the hospital can’t tell if she’s insured. Because she’s documented as being in an insurance pricing club, they hit her with the “list” price of $500. The insured cost—even if it’s not covered by the deductible, might be $100 or $150.


27 posted on 01/02/2014 3:19:55 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes it sated that in the article but I don’t think she understood that.
These 2 people noted in the story think when they receive their insurance they will get the service for free they are not thinking about the deductibles and out of pocket they have to pay.


28 posted on 01/02/2014 3:20:26 PM PST by funfan
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To: steve86

Probably not. If the insurance is active they usually charge you the full price for deductibles.


29 posted on 01/02/2014 3:20:30 PM PST by sheana
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To: kristinn

But hey! They have valet parking!


30 posted on 01/02/2014 3:20:36 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Slyfox

> See what happens - when people who know nothing about one-sixth of an economy - monkey around with it?

I see what you did there H. Cosell Jr...: )


31 posted on 01/02/2014 3:21:16 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: freedumb2003

Sorry, could be my eye-sight,,,,but on the picture is Barak Hussein shi.ting golf balls ?


32 posted on 01/02/2014 3:21:17 PM PST by Christian1
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To: kristinn

News you won’t see at the MSM fishwraps or networks (except maybe Fox News).


33 posted on 01/02/2014 3:21:44 PM PST by CedarDave (Fox News - Obama couldn't sign up for healthcare because the system couldn't verify his identity!)
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To: freedumb2003

As soon as he gets back he is going to focus like a laser and punish those insurance companies. Who else in America has had 20 weeks of vacation?

Pray America is Waking


34 posted on 01/02/2014 3:22:03 PM PST by bray ("The Republic of Texas 2022" is coming in Feb)
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To: freedumb2003
One of the comments, at the link, really cracked me up. They're wondering if 0DeathCare (my term, not theirs) is really trying to get the American system towards Socialism/socialized healthcare....that NO administration could be this incompetent.

Ya think? Welcome to the party, pal!

35 posted on 01/02/2014 3:22:16 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: kristinn

Somewhere a president is playing golf under the warm Hawaiian sun.


36 posted on 01/02/2014 3:22:38 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: kristinn

She hasn’t paid the premium but it’s the insurance company’s fault. /s

If these people would look up important stuff on the internet and stop watching American Idol and the letter networks, they would have known this was going to happen. Now they’re shocked that they’re not covered.

They’re going to be even more shocked when they get their insurance cards and will hear about, for the first time, about the deductible.


37 posted on 01/02/2014 3:22:41 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: sheana

Also, many plans have a separate deductible for ER, sometimes as low as $250. I haven’t read the article to see if this is applicable. Probably not, since it would be the case only for higher-metal plans, at least in my state.


38 posted on 01/02/2014 3:22:59 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: kristinn

How many Americans will die?
I thnk we are seeing the beginning of the end for a lot of Americans.


39 posted on 01/02/2014 3:23:28 PM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: kristinn

Bump


40 posted on 01/02/2014 3:23:38 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: sheana

That has never been my experience, including last month. Always got the negotiated rate.


41 posted on 01/02/2014 3:23:50 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: kristinn; All

Before obamacare the hospitals would treat anyone. Apparently now that EVERYONE is supposed to have insurance the hospitals no longer believe they have to provide free healthcare.


42 posted on 01/02/2014 3:24:09 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: kristinn

Why was this woman at a hospital for a cough? Paying straight cash I could see a doctor at a clinic or urgent care center with the x-ray in the $200 neighborhood.


43 posted on 01/02/2014 3:24:28 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: jdege

The cheapest plan has the HIGHEST deductible.


44 posted on 01/02/2014 3:25:36 PM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: sheana

In reference to deducitibles, that’s probably what she was told.


45 posted on 01/02/2014 3:25:52 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: steve86

FYI. we purchased direct from BcBs, same letter, no cards. Wife went for test today, they found her in the system. No issues.. Hope it’s the same for you..


46 posted on 01/02/2014 3:25:59 PM PST by WorksinKOP
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To: Jane Long
GALLUP: MOST AMERICANS HAVE OBAMACARE HORROR STORIES
Fifty-nine percent of Americans told Gallup pollsters that they have had negative experiences with the Affordable Care Act, according to the public opinion giant's latest survey.
Only 7 per cent called their Obamacare journeys 'very positive,' but 29 per cent said their interaction with the new system has been 'very negative.'
Gallup interviewed 1,500 uninsured Americans in December, 450 of whom said they had visited health insurance exchange websites.

And guess what group the MSM picks to show if they cover Obamacare at all --
(Hint: It's a single digit.)

47 posted on 01/02/2014 3:26:31 PM PST by CedarDave (Fox News - Obama couldn't sign up for healthcare because the system couldn't verify his identity!)
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To: kristinn

Welcome to DemocratCare Ms. Galvez, 100% of them voted for it in the House and Senate and not one Republican.


48 posted on 01/02/2014 3:26:38 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: kristinn

Even if she did sign up for it, her deductible may require that she pay all expenses until the deductible is met. I bet she didn't read the fine print. The deductibles on some of those bronze level policies can be between $4,000 and $6,000.


49 posted on 01/02/2014 3:26:54 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: WorksinKOP

Thanks, glad it worked out.


50 posted on 01/02/2014 3:27:08 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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